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Today the lifts to the Greenwich Foot Tunnel were closed. The nearest
toll-free alternative for cyclists is the Rotherhithe Tunnel. However, that too was closed for northbound traffic. I think that at times like this, Transport for London really should consider allowing northbound cycle traffic to use the 20mph restricted Blackwall Tunnel, after all, the Blackwall Tunnel was specifically built for pedestrian, cyclists and horse use. |
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Tom Crispin wrote:
Today the lifts to the Greenwich Foot Tunnel were closed. The nearest toll-free alternative for cyclists is the Rotherhithe Tunnel. However, that too was closed for northbound traffic. I think that at times like this, Transport for London really should consider allowing northbound cycle traffic to use the 20mph restricted Blackwall Tunnel, after all, the Blackwall Tunnel was specifically built for pedestrian, cyclists and horse use. Cycling isn't allowed in the Greenwich *Foot* Tunnel anyway. So how does the closure cause any disadvantage to cyclists (other than meaning they have to carry their bikes up and down the staircases as well as push them through the tunnel)? |
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 01:20:30 +0100, JNugent
wrote: Tom Crispin wrote: Today the lifts to the Greenwich Foot Tunnel were closed. The nearest toll-free alternative for cyclists is the Rotherhithe Tunnel. However, that too was closed for northbound traffic. I think that at times like this, Transport for London really should consider allowing northbound cycle traffic to use the 20mph restricted Blackwall Tunnel, after all, the Blackwall Tunnel was specifically built for pedestrian, cyclists and horse use. Cycling isn't allowed in the Greenwich *Foot* Tunnel anyway. I am not convinced you are entirely correct. Cycling in the Foot Tunnel is certainly selfish when there are lots of pedestrians around, and there are plenty of signs saying 'No cycling'. However, it takes a by-law to make the riding of bicycles on a footway that is not by the side of the road a criminal matter, and I have not seen any evidence that such a by-law for the Greenwich or Woolwich Foot Tunnels exist. That is no way proves that cycling is permitted, only that I am not *convinced* that cycling in the foot tunnel is illegal. So how does the closure cause any disadvantage to cyclists (other than meaning they have to carry their bikes up and down the staircases as well as push them through the tunnel)? I think that you have answered your own question. Cyclists unable to carry their bikes up and down the shafts were not able to divert northbound to the Rotherhithe Tunnel. |
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On 18 July, 01:10, Tom Crispin
wrote: Today the lifts to the Greenwich Foot Tunnel were closed. The nearest toll-free alternative for cyclists is the Rotherhithe Tunnel. However, that too was closed for northbound traffic. I think that at times like this, Transport for London really should consider allowing northbound cycle traffic to use the 20mph restricted Blackwall Tunnel, after all, the Blackwall Tunnel was specifically built for pedestrian, cyclists and horse use. This clearly illustrates the dearth of river crossings for cyclists in relation to those for motorists. No surprise there then, as usual. UK Radical Campaigns. http://www.zing.icom43.net All public road users are equal but some are more equal than others. |
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"Tom Crispin" wrote in message ... Today the lifts to the Greenwich Foot Tunnel were closed. The nearest toll-free alternative for cyclists is the Rotherhithe Tunnel. However, that too was closed for northbound traffic. I think that at times like this, Transport for London really should consider allowing northbound cycle traffic to use the 20mph restricted Blackwall Tunnel, after all, the Blackwall Tunnel was specifically built for pedestrian, cyclists and horse use. Can cyclists not use the Woolwich Ferry. I haven't been down that way for 30 years so things may have changed!! Bill |
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 08:05:23 +0100, "Bill" wrote:
"Tom Crispin" wrote in message .. . Today the lifts to the Greenwich Foot Tunnel were closed. The nearest toll-free alternative for cyclists is the Rotherhithe Tunnel. However, that too was closed for northbound traffic. I think that at times like this, Transport for London really should consider allowing northbound cycle traffic to use the 20mph restricted Blackwall Tunnel, after all, the Blackwall Tunnel was specifically built for pedestrian, cyclists and horse use. Can cyclists not use the Woolwich Ferry. I haven't been down that way for 30 years so things may have changed!! Yes, cyclists can use the Woolwich Ferry - but only when the Thames is fog free, the crew aren't on strike, the ferrys' aren't broke and it is inside the ferrys' limited hours of operation. Even then there are often lengthy delays. Nevertheless, if you ignorethe above and the surly attitude of the crew, the Woolwich Ferry is a delight for cyclists to use. |
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Tom Crispin wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 01:20:30 +0100, JNugent wrote: Tom Crispin wrote: Today the lifts to the Greenwich Foot Tunnel were closed. The nearest toll-free alternative for cyclists is the Rotherhithe Tunnel. However, that too was closed for northbound traffic. I think that at times like this, Transport for London really should consider allowing northbound cycle traffic to use the 20mph restricted Blackwall Tunnel, after all, the Blackwall Tunnel was specifically built for pedestrian, cyclists and horse use. Cycling isn't allowed in the Greenwich *Foot* Tunnel anyway. I am not convinced you are entirely correct. Cycling in the Foot Tunnel is certainly selfish when there are lots of pedestrians around, and there are plenty of signs saying 'No cycling'. However, it takes a by-law to make the riding of bicycles on a footway that is not by the side of the road a criminal matter, and I have not seen any evidence that such a by-law for the Greenwich or Woolwich Foot Tunnels exist. That is no way proves that cycling is permitted, only that I am not *convinced* that cycling in the foot tunnel is illegal. So how does the closure cause any disadvantage to cyclists (other than meaning they have to carry their bikes up and down the staircases as well as push them through the tunnel)? I think that you have answered your own question. Cyclists unable to carry their bikes up and down the shafts were not able to divert northbound to the Rotherhithe Tunnel. It does seem odd that you "wonder" that the Blackwall Tunnel is not opened to cyclists whilst the Greenwich *FOOT* Tunnel lifts are out of action, because it isn't long ago that you were insisting that due to some alleged lack of regulation and/or signage, the Blackwall Tunnel (northbound) is not closed to sycling in any case. If you can be wrong on that, you can be wrong on the question of whether cycling is permitted in the Greenwich *FOOT* Tunnel. |
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Tom Crispin wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 08:05:23 +0100, "Bill" wrote: "Tom Crispin" wrote in message ... Today the lifts to the Greenwich Foot Tunnel were closed. The nearest toll-free alternative for cyclists is the Rotherhithe Tunnel. However, that too was closed for northbound traffic. I think that at times like this, Transport for London really should consider allowing northbound cycle traffic to use the 20mph restricted Blackwall Tunnel, after all, the Blackwall Tunnel was specifically built for pedestrian, cyclists and horse use. Can cyclists not use the Woolwich Ferry. I haven't been down that way for 30 years so things may have changed!! Yes, cyclists can use the Woolwich Ferry - but only when the Thames is fog free, the crew aren't on strike, the ferrys' aren't broke and it is inside the ferrys' limited hours of operation. Even then there are often lengthy delays. Nevertheless, if you ignorethe above and the surly attitude of the crew, the Woolwich Ferry is a delight for cyclists to use. So the same restrictions as for cars then. -- Tony Dragon |
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JNugent wrote:
Tom Crispin wrote: Today the lifts to the Greenwich Foot Tunnel were closed. The nearest toll-free alternative for cyclists is the Rotherhithe Tunnel. However, that too was closed for northbound traffic. I think that at times like this, Transport for London really should consider allowing northbound cycle traffic to use the 20mph restricted Blackwall Tunnel, after all, the Blackwall Tunnel was specifically built for pedestrian, cyclists and horse use. Cycling isn't allowed in the Greenwich *Foot* Tunnel anyway. OMG! Shock horror! You don't mean that these cyclist are "breaking the law" surely? -- Dave - intelligent enough to realise that a push bike is a kid's toy, not a viable form of transport. |
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Doug wrote:
On 18 July, 01:10, Tom Crispin wrote: Today the lifts to the Greenwich Foot Tunnel were closed. The nearest toll-free alternative for cyclists is the Rotherhithe Tunnel. However, that too was closed for northbound traffic. I think that at times like this, Transport for London really should consider allowing northbound cycle traffic to use the 20mph restricted Blackwall Tunnel, after all, the Blackwall Tunnel was specifically built for pedestrian, cyclists and horse use. This clearly illustrates the dearth of river crossings for cyclists in relation to those for motorists. No surprise there then, as usual. No surprise at all Sherlock. You pay **** all - you get **** all. -- Dave - intelligent enough to realise that a push bike is a kid's toy, not a viable form of transport. |
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