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Heine on inflation
As for group rides I have a hard time convincing people to join up for a 45-50 miler. Most find that number of miles excessive because of the hills. Do you live in the Sahara or Antarctica? Apparently you live where there are no bicyclists except yourself. 45-50 miles is a short ride in the summer. On the long side at this time of year due to the cold and limited daylight. |
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On 2016-03-11 13:04, wrote:
As for group rides I have a hard time convincing people to join up for a 45-50 miler. Most find that number of miles excessive because of the hills. Do you live in the Sahara or Antarctica? Apparently you live where there are no bicyclists except yourself. 45-50 miles is a short ride in the summer. On the long side at this time of year due to the cold and limited daylight. Lots of cyclists out here. But other than the large clubs they usually go on shorter evening rides. Most are not self-employed and can't take half a day off like I can. I like to ride earlier in the day when the bike traffic on the main bike paths is moderate, thus not in the evenings where all the commuters and fitness riders are out. As I said before I do not enjoy riding in very large groups. Hence I am not a member of the Sacramento Wheelmen or similar clubs. I ride the 45-50 milers pretty much no matter what the weather which is also an issue for some. "But it says severe thunderstorms at 4pm" ... "So what?" .... yeah, I was drenched but happy. And brought home the promised growler :-) The super-sporty club cyclists also take things too serious IMO. A stop at the pub is totally out of the question for many because they say it slows them down afterwards. So what? I could also imagine that many wouldn't like to ride with me because I lack proper colorful cycling attire. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Friday, March 11, 2016 at 5:20:57 PM UTC-5, Joerg wrote:
On 2016-03-11 13:04, wrote: As for group rides I have a hard time convincing people to join up for a 45-50 miler. Most find that number of miles excessive because of the hills. Do you live in the Sahara or Antarctica? Apparently you live where there are no bicyclists except yourself. 45-50 miles is a short ride in the summer. On the long side at this time of year due to the cold and limited daylight. Lots of cyclists out here. But other than the large clubs they usually go on shorter evening rides. Most are not self-employed and can't take half a day off like I can. I like to ride earlier in the day when the bike traffic on the main bike paths is moderate, thus not in the evenings where all the commuters and fitness riders are out. As I said before I do not enjoy riding in very large groups. Hence I am not a member of the Sacramento Wheelmen or similar clubs. I ride the 45-50 milers pretty much no matter what the weather which is also an issue for some. "But it says severe thunderstorms at 4pm" ... "So what?" ... yeah, I was drenched but happy. And brought home the promised growler :-) The super-sporty club cyclists also take things too serious IMO. A stop at the pub is totally out of the question for many because they say it slows them down afterwards. So what? I could also imagine that many wouldn't like to ride with me because I lack proper colorful cycling attire. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ riding with a drunken german is completely out of the....... |
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On Friday, March 11, 2016 at 4:04:46 PM UTC-5, wrote:
As for group rides I have a hard time convincing people to join up for a 45-50 miler. Most find that number of miles excessive because of the hills. Do you live in the Sahara or Antarctica? Apparently you live where there are no bicyclists except yourself. 45-50 miles is a short ride in the summer. On the long side at this time of year due to the cold and limited daylight. https://www.google.com/#q=blog+place...rra+mtb+trails https://www.google.com/#q=bikepacking great trailing over gold rush footpaths J's side seems turned to rough cart tracks. the east side is more single track outstanding video on utube |
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On Thu, 10 Mar 2016 08:35:16 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: And a picture below you have two guys with Grizzly Adams beards and handlebar bags bigger than suitcases. Were they going on a week long ride and needed to carry all their gear? Or they may have planned to pick up some cheese and chocolate at the turn-around point. -- joy beeson at comcast dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/ The above message is a Usenet post. I don't recall having given anyone permission to use it on a Web site. |
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On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 07:30:56 -0800 (PST), "
wrote: On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 6:38:50 PM UTC-6, John B. wrote: The guys with the beards are carrying handle bar bags that look very similar to what Paris-Brest-Paris Randonneur riders carry. The Paris - Brest - Paris is a 1200 km(~745 miles) ride done in 90 hours or less. The winning rider in 2015 did the distance in a bit over 42 hours. Ha ha. Ho ho. I have ridden Paris-Brest-Paris. 2007. My memory is fading but I do not recall anyone using handlebar bags anywhere near that size. I was with the fast group, the 80 hour. So maybe all the people with suitcases on the front of their bikes were in the 90 hour group leaving behind me. But some do carry bags. Example: 2015 Christian Mauduit 68.20 E123 Photos: http://ultra.ufoot.org/2015/crpbp/img-001997 E038 even seems to be carrying a backpack and finished in 74.12. -- cheers, John B. |
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On 2016-03-11 18:42, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 07:30:56 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 6:38:50 PM UTC-6, John B. wrote: The guys with the beards are carrying handle bar bags that look very similar to what Paris-Brest-Paris Randonneur riders carry. The Paris - Brest - Paris is a 1200 km(~745 miles) ride done in 90 hours or less. The winning rider in 2015 did the distance in a bit over 42 hours. Ha ha. Ho ho. I have ridden Paris-Brest-Paris. 2007. My memory is fading but I do not recall anyone using handlebar bags anywhere near that size. I was with the fast group, the 80 hour. So maybe all the people with suitcases on the front of their bikes were in the 90 hour group leaving behind me. But some do carry bags. Example: 2015 Christian Mauduit 68.20 E123 Photos: http://ultra.ufoot.org/2015/crpbp/img-001997 E038 even seems to be carrying a backpack and finished in 74.12. Some also don't adhere to the Lycra "dress code": http://www.letelegramme.fr/local/mor...11-1408687.php It puzzles me how they can keep a 46.5km/h average. That's almost 30mph. If I try to hold 25mph for even just an hour I am really tuckered out. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 2016-03-11 18:04, wrote:
On Friday, March 11, 2016 at 5:20:57 PM UTC-5, Joerg wrote: On 2016-03-11 13:04, wrote: As for group rides I have a hard time convincing people to join up for a 45-50 miler. Most find that number of miles excessive because of the hills. Do you live in the Sahara or Antarctica? Apparently you live where there are no bicyclists except yourself. 45-50 miles is a short ride in the summer. On the long side at this time of year due to the cold and limited daylight. Lots of cyclists out here. But other than the large clubs they usually go on shorter evening rides. Most are not self-employed and can't take half a day off like I can. I like to ride earlier in the day when the bike traffic on the main bike paths is moderate, thus not in the evenings where all the commuters and fitness riders are out. As I said before I do not enjoy riding in very large groups. Hence I am not a member of the Sacramento Wheelmen or similar clubs. I ride the 45-50 milers pretty much no matter what the weather which is also an issue for some. "But it says severe thunderstorms at 4pm" ... "So what?" ... yeah, I was drenched but happy. And brought home the promised growler :-) The super-sporty club cyclists also take things too serious IMO. A stop at the pub is totally out of the question for many because they say it slows them down afterwards. So what? I could also imagine that many wouldn't like to ride with me because I lack proper colorful cycling attire. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ riding with a drunken german is completely out of the....... Nah, the growler isn't opened during the ride. Would be illegal in CA (open container). That's so my wife can also enjoy the fruits of my rides. In the summer and fall I also pick wild blackberries from bushes along MTB trails. My wife turns blackberries into good stuff like this: https://mamouandco.wordpress.com/201...-et-aux-mures/ -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 2016-03-12 16:37, Phil W Lee wrote:
Joerg considered Sat, 12 Mar 2016 11:04:00 -0800 the perfect time to write: On 2016-03-11 18:42, John B. wrote: On Fri, 11 Mar 2016 07:30:56 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Thursday, March 10, 2016 at 6:38:50 PM UTC-6, John B. wrote: The guys with the beards are carrying handle bar bags that look very similar to what Paris-Brest-Paris Randonneur riders carry. The Paris - Brest - Paris is a 1200 km(~745 miles) ride done in 90 hours or less. The winning rider in 2015 did the distance in a bit over 42 hours. Ha ha. Ho ho. I have ridden Paris-Brest-Paris. 2007. My memory is fading but I do not recall anyone using handlebar bags anywhere near that size. I was with the fast group, the 80 hour. So maybe all the people with suitcases on the front of their bikes were in the 90 hour group leaving behind me. But some do carry bags. Example: 2015 Christian Mauduit 68.20 E123 Photos: http://ultra.ufoot.org/2015/crpbp/img-001997 E038 even seems to be carrying a backpack and finished in 74.12. Some also don't adhere to the Lycra "dress code": http://www.letelegramme.fr/local/mor...11-1408687.php It puzzles me how they can keep a 46.5km/h average. That's almost 30mph. If I try to hold 25mph for even just an hour I am really tuckered out. That speed is the one he achieved in the race at Monza, on the motor racing circuit, not in the PBP, and was only over 3 hours. Note he uses a recumbent, which is far more efficient than a UCIcle. To achieve that speed in the PBP would be phenomenal, and would give a finishing time in the order of 26 hrs 27 min. Google translate is unclear on whether he used a fairing in the PBP (although he clearly didn't in the race at Monza), although it gives his time for that as 80hr3min (which averages 15.3654km/h), so not particularly fast for a serious sporting rider on a recumbent in the PBP. They give the distance as 1260km (maybe that's what he measured). The official PBP website states 1230km, which splits the difference between the 1200 quoted above (which corresponds with the original distance) and that given for the rider in that article, so is probably the most accurate. But the speed you have to achieve to finish in under the 90 hour limit is only 13.667 km/h, so nobody averaged over 40km/h - even that would have them finishing in 30h45m. Hmm, considering it's not in the Alps that should be easy. It's well below my usual average speed where I only stop because I reached a destination. This would allow the occasional stop at a nice pub, preferably one with Belgian ales. But France is too far away. Even the 42h26 of the winning rider is just under 28.99 km/h average, and that's the amateur record (the pro record is 38h55m, but over an easier course, in 1951 - the last time it was accredited as a pro race). I could not hold that speed for such a long time. 1230/90 isn't that complicated, nor is 1230/30. Not sure what those numbers mean. Although that's a day and night average, including all stops, on country lanes, with mostly dynamo headlights. So it seems that a 30km/h average over 1230km of real, varied roads, is not actually possible. It would certainly be impossible for me. One needs to know one's limits. ... Knocking over 1h26m off last year's winning time (the amateur record) would be a pretty amazing feat though, even if there was a major difference in weather), never mind achieving 30mph (which would need more than twice the sustained power). Maybe possible with motor pacing, I suppose - if you can avoid falling asleep and running into your pace vehicle. 25h37.5m staring at the back of a pace vehicle is going to be more than a little hypnotic. And it would be cheating anyway. I don't even like following another cyclist closer than the usual two-second safety distance. As for falling asleep while cycling that has happened to me as a kid. On the way to school, was a long night before, sleep deprivation. I woke up when the bike shook on the turf and by that time I was way off the bike path. Got it back on without crashing, barely. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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