LA cycling, where red lights are optional

sad story.

https://ktla.com/2019/10/19/bicyclis...d-run-suspect/
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 8:24:52 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
sad story.

https://ktla.com/2019/10/19/bicyclis...d-run-suspect/
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

It is normal for cars to exit a freeway into a city street in a straight line here. It is COMMON for these cars to exit at freeway speed + 20 mph directly through a red light. The city couldn't care less. It is up to the drivers not to go through a green light when cross traffic is approaching at high speed.

On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 4:42:07 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 12:12:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/20/2019 12:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 8:24:52 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
sad story.

https://ktla.com/2019/10/19/bicyclis...d-run-suspect/
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

It is normal for cars to exit a freeway into a city street in a straight line here. It is COMMON for these cars to exit at freeway speed + 20 mph directly through a red light. The city couldn't care less. It is up to the drivers not to go through a green light when cross traffic is approaching at high speed.

It sounds like it was the cyclist who ignored the red light in this
case. It's not a wise move.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Stupid - it appears to be a homeless man's bike and he was probably high. You and Jay have a whole lot in common in ignoring the realities of open borders.

You assume a homeless person is high on drugs. Typical. A Google search says about 11% of the homeless population in the USA are veterans. Do you think the US military said we don't give a darn where you are from. You're alive and standing, good enough for us. You're in the Army now.

According to government statistics, 80 percent of homeless people have experienced a lifelong struggle with drug and alcohol abuse.

On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 4:42:07 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 12:12:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/20/2019 12:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 8:24:52 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
sad story.

https://ktla.com/2019/10/19/bicyclis...d-run-suspect/
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

It is normal for cars to exit a freeway into a city street in a straight line here. It is COMMON for these cars to exit at freeway speed + 20 mph directly through a red light. The city couldn't care less. It is up to the drivers not to go through a green light when cross traffic is approaching at high speed.

It sounds like it was the cyclist who ignored the red light in this
case. It's not a wise move.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Stupid - it appears to be a homeless man's bike and he was probably high. You and Jay have a whole lot in common in ignoring the realities of open borders.

You assume a homeless person is high on drugs. Typical. A Google search says about 11% of the homeless population in the USA are veterans. Do you think the US military said we don't give a darn where you are from. You're alive and standing, good enough for us. You're in the Army now.

Russell - as an aside. I played in rock bands as a good bass player, a so-so rhythm guitar and at the time a pretty good harmony backup singer. All told those groups numbered about 20 individuals. My brother was in a 6 person rock band. Except for me they all used drugs. They ALL died before 50 years of age. They All used to drink during their performances to keep the craving for drugs at bay.

Presently I have a nephew that is in an out of treatment programs and they do not take. I don't think I've ever seen but one or two that actually worked. I cannot let my nephew into my home because he will steal anything he can and he will try to learn when I'm not around and will break into the home and steal everything. He just did it with some foster parents who were allowing him to stay with them at 40 years of age. They had to kick him out and he managed to get into another Treatment program with give him drugs that stop the craving but won't get him high. After they "graduate" him from that program he will be sleeping under an overpass and using drugs again. He hasn't long to go. At a little over 40 he looks 70 years old. My brother who died from drugs also had a son who did the same thing.

If you think like Frank or Jay that you know anything about anything using Google search you're wrong.

I take several science journals and reading so-called "science papers" that have "peer review" I can see holes in their logic big enough to drive a truck through.

If you think that using the Internet is going to make you able to understand things you're wrong. The only personal criticism this is, is toward your trust in the Internet.

On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:22:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 4:42:07 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 12:12:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/20/2019 12:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 8:24:52 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
sad story.

https://ktla.com/2019/10/19/bicyclis...d-run-suspect/
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

It is normal for cars to exit a freeway into a city street in a straight line here. It is COMMON for these cars to exit at freeway speed + 20 mph directly through a red light. The city couldn't care less. It is up to the drivers not to go through a green light when cross traffic is approaching at high speed.

It sounds like it was the cyclist who ignored the red light in this
case. It's not a wise move.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Stupid - it appears to be a homeless man's bike and he was probably high. You and Jay have a whole lot in common in ignoring the realities of open borders.

You assume a homeless person is high on drugs. Typical. A Google search says about 11% of the homeless population in the USA are veterans. Do you think the US military said we don't give a darn where you are from. You're alive and standing, good enough for us. You're in the Army now.

According to government statistics, 80 percent of homeless people have experienced a lifelong struggle with drug and alcohol abuse.

Tom, I think that you are lying again. Can you provide us with a
reference to the "government statistics" that you mention?
--
cheers,

John B.

On 10/22/2019 5:57 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:22:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 4:42:07 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 12:12:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/20/2019 12:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 8:24:52 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
sad story.

https://ktla.com/2019/10/19/bicyclis...d-run-suspect/
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

It is normal for cars to exit a freeway into a city street in a straight line here. It is COMMON for these cars to exit at freeway speed + 20 mph directly through a red light. The city couldn't care less. It is up to the drivers not to go through a green light when cross traffic is approaching at high speed.

It sounds like it was the cyclist who ignored the red light in this
case. It's not a wise move.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Stupid - it appears to be a homeless man's bike and he was probably high. You and Jay have a whole lot in common in ignoring the realities of open borders.

You assume a homeless person is high on drugs. Typical. A Google search says about 11% of the homeless population in the USA are veterans. Do you think the US military said we don't give a darn where you are from. You're alive and standing, good enough for us. You're in the Army now.

According to government statistics, 80 percent of homeless people have experienced a lifelong struggle with drug and alcohol abuse.

Tom, I think that you are lying again. Can you provide us with a
reference to the "government statistics" that you mention?
--
cheers,

John B.


Many and diverse opinions are thrown around on a regular
basis. Here is one data set:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2605421/

These Harvard guys found slightly less, about 50%, as Tom wrote:

https://www.innovations.harvard.edu/...%20Huebner.pdf



--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 19:53:20 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 10/22/2019 5:57 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:22:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 4:42:07 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 12:12:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/20/2019 12:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 8:24:52 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
sad story.

https://ktla.com/2019/10/19/bicyclis...d-run-suspect/
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

It is normal for cars to exit a freeway into a city street in a straight line here. It is COMMON for these cars to exit at freeway speed + 20 mph directly through a red light. The city couldn't care less. It is up to the drivers not to go through a green light when cross traffic is approaching at high speed.

It sounds like it was the cyclist who ignored the red light in this
case. It's not a wise move.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Stupid - it appears to be a homeless man's bike and he was probably high. You and Jay have a whole lot in common in ignoring the realities of open borders.

You assume a homeless person is high on drugs. Typical. A Google search says about 11% of the homeless population in the USA are veterans. Do you think the US military said we don't give a darn where you are from. You're alive and standing, good enough for us. You're in the Army now.

According to government statistics, 80 percent of homeless people have experienced a lifelong struggle with drug and alcohol abuse.

Tom, I think that you are lying again. Can you provide us with a
reference to the "government statistics" that you mention?
--
cheers,

John B.


Many and diverse opinions are thrown around on a regular
basis. Here is one data set:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2605421/

These Harvard guys found slightly less, about 50%, as Tom wrote:

https://www.innovations.harvard.edu/...%20Huebner.pdf

I took the time to read this study and it goes to some lengths to
point out that figures defining alcohol and drug use in the homeless
are not at all accurate and further says that "based on what Fischer
judged to be the most technically adequate research, it seems fair to
say that at least 10 percent of the homeless have current drug
problems, and a minimum of 40 percent in addition have current alcohol
problems."

The report then goes on to say, "in a well-designed study of
shelter and jail samples in Baltimore, Breakey and Fischer found
27 percent of the whole group to have an alcohol disorder only, 5
percent to have a separate drug disorder only, 6 percent to have
combined alcohol and other drug disorders, and 24 percent to have
an alcohol and/or other drug disorder combined with a major mental
disorder."

And provides more information by saying, "Taken together, such
findings suggest some discernible cohorts
among the homeless with alcohol and other drug problems,
although these are subject to regional variation and can be expected
to change over time."

The study does try to determine whether homeless are alcohol and drug
users or alcohol and drug users that are homeless and says:
"Alcohol-dependent homeless people also appear to have histories of
recurrent and enduring homelessness. They tend to be chronically
rather than episodically homeless. Although few studies have
included life history interviews, Paul Koegel and M. Audrey
Burnam found that 80 percent of those with alcohol problems expe-
rienced their first symptom before their first episode of homeless-
ness, and more than half experienced their first symptom at least
five years before first becoming homeless."

And in closing they say, "In sum, the following can be said with
assurance. First, current alcohol and other drug problems are
widespread among the home-less, involving, as a conservative estimate,
50 percent of the population.

But it still doesn't answer my request for Tom to prove what he said
is true :-)
--
cheers,

John B.

On 10/22/2019 8:56 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 19:53:20 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 10/22/2019 5:57 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:22:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 4:42:07 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 12:12:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/20/2019 12:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 8:24:52 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
sad story.

https://ktla.com/2019/10/19/bicyclis...d-run-suspect/
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

It is normal for cars to exit a freeway into a city street in a straight line here. It is COMMON for these cars to exit at freeway speed + 20 mph directly through a red light. The city couldn't care less. It is up to the drivers not to go through a green light when cross traffic is approaching at high speed.

It sounds like it was the cyclist who ignored the red light in this
case. It's not a wise move.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Stupid - it appears to be a homeless man's bike and he was probably high. You and Jay have a whole lot in common in ignoring the realities of open borders.

You assume a homeless person is high on drugs. Typical. A Google search says about 11% of the homeless population in the USA are veterans. Do you think the US military said we don't give a darn where you are from. You're alive and standing, good enough for us. You're in the Army now.

According to government statistics, 80 percent of homeless people have experienced a lifelong struggle with drug and alcohol abuse.

Tom, I think that you are lying again. Can you provide us with a
reference to the "government statistics" that you mention?
--
cheers,

John B.


Many and diverse opinions are thrown around on a regular
basis. Here is one data set:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2605421/

These Harvard guys found slightly less, about 50%, as Tom wrote:

https://www.innovations.harvard.edu/...%20Huebner.pdf

I took the time to read this study and it goes to some lengths to
point out that figures defining alcohol and drug use in the homeless
are not at all accurate and further says that "based on what Fischer
judged to be the most technically adequate research, it seems fair to
say that at least 10 percent of the homeless have current drug
problems, and a minimum of 40 percent in addition have current alcohol
problems."

The report then goes on to say, "in a well-designed study of
shelter and jail samples in Baltimore, Breakey and Fischer found
27 percent of the whole group to have an alcohol disorder only, 5
percent to have a separate drug disorder only, 6 percent to have
combined alcohol and other drug disorders, and 24 percent to have
an alcohol and/or other drug disorder combined with a major mental
disorder."

And provides more information by saying, "Taken together, such
findings suggest some discernible cohorts
among the homeless with alcohol and other drug problems,
although these are subject to regional variation and can be expected
to change over time."

The study does try to determine whether homeless are alcohol and drug
users or alcohol and drug users that are homeless and says:
"Alcohol-dependent homeless people also appear to have histories of
recurrent and enduring homelessness. They tend to be chronically
rather than episodically homeless. Although few studies have
included life history interviews, Paul Koegel and M. Audrey
Burnam found that 80 percent of those with alcohol problems expe-
rienced their first symptom before their first episode of homeless-
ness, and more than half experienced their first symptom at least
five years before first becoming homeless."

And in closing they say, "In sum, the following can be said with
assurance. First, current alcohol and other drug problems are
widespread among the home-less, involving, as a conservative estimate,
50 percent of the population.

But it still doesn't answer my request for Tom to prove what he said
is true :-)
--
cheers,

John B.


Well, that's the problem with calling the social sciences
'science' when they are clearly not. Definitions are fluid
and self-reporting adds its own variables.

Still, anyone with experience in such neighborhoods would
not doubt 'about half' as a rough analysis.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 3:57:46 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:22:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 4:42:07 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 12:12:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/20/2019 12:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 8:24:52 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
sad story.

https://ktla.com/2019/10/19/bicyclis...d-run-suspect/
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

It is normal for cars to exit a freeway into a city street in a straight line here. It is COMMON for these cars to exit at freeway speed + 20 mph directly through a red light. The city couldn't care less. It is up to the drivers not to go through a green light when cross traffic is approaching at high speed.

It sounds like it was the cyclist who ignored the red light in this
case. It's not a wise move.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Stupid - it appears to be a homeless man's bike and he was probably high. You and Jay have a whole lot in common in ignoring the realities of open borders.

You assume a homeless person is high on drugs. Typical. A Google search says about 11% of the homeless population in the USA are veterans. Do you think the US military said we don't give a darn where you are from. You're alive and standing, good enough for us. You're in the Army now.

According to government statistics, 80 percent of homeless people have experienced a lifelong struggle with drug and alcohol abuse.

Tom, I think that you are lying again. Can you provide us with a
reference to the "government statistics" that you mention?
--
cheers,

John B.

No, I have no more intentions of playing games with a worthless pile of dog ****.

On Tuesday, October 22, 2019 at 5:53:16 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/22/2019 5:57 PM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 14:22:31 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 3:44:33 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 4:42:07 PM UTC-5, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 12:12:31 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/20/2019 12:48 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 8:24:52 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
sad story.

https://ktla.com/2019/10/19/bicyclis...d-run-suspect/
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

It is normal for cars to exit a freeway into a city street in a straight line here. It is COMMON for these cars to exit at freeway speed + 20 mph directly through a red light. The city couldn't care less. It is up to the drivers not to go through a green light when cross traffic is approaching at high speed.

It sounds like it was the cyclist who ignored the red light in this
case. It's not a wise move.


--
- Frank Krygowski

Stupid - it appears to be a homeless man's bike and he was probably high. You and Jay have a whole lot in common in ignoring the realities of open borders.

You assume a homeless person is high on drugs. Typical. A Google search says about 11% of the homeless population in the USA are veterans. Do you think the US military said we don't give a darn where you are from. You're alive and standing, good enough for us. You're in the Army now.

According to government statistics, 80 percent of homeless people have experienced a lifelong struggle with drug and alcohol abuse.

Tom, I think that you are lying again. Can you provide us with a
reference to the "government statistics" that you mention?
--
cheers,

John B.


Many and diverse opinions are thrown around on a regular
basis. Here is one data set:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2605421/

These Harvard guys found slightly less, about 50%, as Tom wrote:

https://www.innovations.harvard.edu/...%20Huebner.pdf



--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

https://www.12keysrehab.com/drug-add...-homelessness/

"According to government statistics, 80 percent of homeless people have experienced a lifelong struggle with drug and alcohol abuse."

You have to be aware that a very large segment of this is alcoholism. Although 80% + children between the age of 12 and 17 who are homeless use hard drugs, this is far too expensive for most homeless people and they fall back on the cheaper form of high.