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Official pedal cyclist road deaths in 2016 ex DOT/NHTSA/FARS(Fatality Analysis Reporting System)
On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 9:18:52 PM UTC-7, news18 wrote:
On Tue, 09 Oct 2018 14:20:30 -0700, sltom992 wrote: On Monday, October 8, 2018 at 11:27:13 PM UTC-7, news18 wrote: On Mon, 08 Oct 2018 13:28:42 -0700, sltom992 wrote: I have worked deeply in science since the mid-1070's. What are your credentials? Early 70's. So you don't have any credentials at all so you read an article on anthropogenic global warming in Popular Mechanics and you're the sudden expert. We're all aware of your kind. I'll bet you even think you can ride a bicycle because you did once when you were a kid before falling off and never getting on again. Lol, you must be exceedingly insecure in your knowledge for it to be expressed as a load of pathetic insults. You remind me of Speedy Woddles whose "scientific work" was as a storeman at a university, until they retrenched him. He always loses "the biggest wang" contest too. Not nearly as pathetic as you to make false claims totally aside from what I have said. You little environmental whackos are pretty funny. Why don't you move to that island of plastic that you seem to think is real. |
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Official pedal cyclist road deaths in 2016 ex DOT/NHTSA/FARS(Fatality Analysis Reporting System)
On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 7:29:47 AM UTC-7, wrote:
blah Plus, my point is that Trump used bankruptcy as a way of doing business -- screwing down creditors and discharging debt. Debt default is not an option for the federal government (maybe the Argentina federal government, but not the US), and thinking Trump would be a great president because he was supposedly a great businessman is like thinking a typist will be a great pianist because a piano is just another keyboard. Macro economics, monetary policy and the business of governments is a lot different than putting together some single-asset LLC or corporation to do a real estate deal, even a big real estate deal. - Jay Beattie. I'm wondering what court you've ever been in where the business owner with money could get away without paying creditors. All of them. In a corporate bankruptcy, the several shareholders' personal assets are not at risk. I lost my 5% share of a firm which did go belly up in 1985 but I did not lose my own house over it. I'm no expert on LLC rules but my understanding is that they function similarly such that the firm's assets are the limit of liability -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 Well that's what I meant of course. But you would normally invest money into a company that would use your money for infrastructure and wages wouldn't you? I thought you were talking about risk and who pays creditors (if anyone) in the event of a business failure. Yes, the owner of a start-up has to use personal or investor money to make payroll. The federal government, however, is not a start-up. It does not have some product in the pipeline that is going to explode onto the market and produce revenues sufficient to retire debt and pay-off investors. The only investment income earned by the federal government is on its own debt. It also gets royalties and has some other income streams (apart from taxes), but . . . https://www.politico.com/agenda/stor...iveaway-000645 Anyway, the business of government bears little resemblance to property development. -- Jay Beattie. |
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Official pedal cyclist road deaths in 2016 ex DOT/NHTSA/FARS(Fatality Analysis Reporting System)
On 10/10/2018 12:56 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 7:29:47 AM UTC-7, wrote: blah Plus, my point is that Trump used bankruptcy as a way of doing business -- screwing down creditors and discharging debt. Debt default is not an option for the federal government (maybe the Argentina federal government, but not the US), and thinking Trump would be a great president because he was supposedly a great businessman is like thinking a typist will be a great pianist because a piano is just another keyboard. Macro economics, monetary policy and the business of governments is a lot different than putting together some single-asset LLC or corporation to do a real estate deal, even a big real estate deal. - Jay Beattie. I'm wondering what court you've ever been in where the business owner with money could get away without paying creditors. All of them. In a corporate bankruptcy, the several shareholders' personal assets are not at risk. I lost my 5% share of a firm which did go belly up in 1985 but I did not lose my own house over it. I'm no expert on LLC rules but my understanding is that they function similarly such that the firm's assets are the limit of liability Well that's what I meant of course. But you would normally invest money into a company that would use your money for infrastructure and wages wouldn't you? I thought you were talking about risk and who pays creditors (if anyone) in the event of a business failure. Yes, the owner of a start-up has to use personal or investor money to make payroll. The federal government, however, is not a start-up. It does not have some product in the pipeline that is going to explode onto the market and produce revenues sufficient to retire debt and pay-off investors. The only investment income earned by the federal government is on its own debt. It also gets royalties and has some other income streams (apart from taxes), but . . . https://www.politico.com/agenda/stor...iveaway-000645 Anyway, the business of government bears little resemblance to property development. If any other entity kept books and reported the way the United States of America does, all its principals would be tried, convicted and jailed promptly. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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Official pedal cyclist road deaths in 2016 ex DOT/NHTSA/FARS(Fatality Analysis Reporting System)
On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 10:56:31 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
It also gets royalties and has some other income streams (apart from taxes), but . . . https://www.politico.com/agenda/stor...iveaway-000645 Anyway, the business of government bears little resemblance to property development. More anti-Trump rhetoric. I can see a loser crying in his environmentally friendly tea. |
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Official pedal cyclist road deaths in 2016 ex DOT/NHTSA/FARS(Fatality Analysis Reporting System)
On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 11:15:28 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/10/2018 12:56 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 7:29:47 AM UTC-7, wrote: blah Plus, my point is that Trump used bankruptcy as a way of doing business -- screwing down creditors and discharging debt. Debt default is not an option for the federal government (maybe the Argentina federal government, but not the US), and thinking Trump would be a great president because he was supposedly a great businessman is like thinking a typist will be a great pianist because a piano is just another keyboard. Macro economics, monetary policy and the business of governments is a lot different than putting together some single-asset LLC or corporation to do a real estate deal, even a big real estate deal. - Jay Beattie. I'm wondering what court you've ever been in where the business owner with money could get away without paying creditors. All of them. In a corporate bankruptcy, the several shareholders' personal assets are not at risk. I lost my 5% share of a firm which did go belly up in 1985 but I did not lose my own house over it. I'm no expert on LLC rules but my understanding is that they function similarly such that the firm's assets are the limit of liability Well that's what I meant of course. But you would normally invest money into a company that would use your money for infrastructure and wages wouldn't you? I thought you were talking about risk and who pays creditors (if anyone) in the event of a business failure. Yes, the owner of a start-up has to use personal or investor money to make payroll. The federal government, however, is not a start-up. It does not have some product in the pipeline that is going to explode onto the market and produce revenues sufficient to retire debt and pay-off investors. The only investment income earned by the federal government is on its own debt. It also gets royalties and has some other income streams (apart from taxes), but . . . https://www.politico.com/agenda/stor...iveaway-000645 Anyway, the business of government bears little resemblance to property development. If any other entity kept books and reported the way the United States of America does, all its principals would be tried, convicted and jailed promptly. Andrew, remember that this isn't some sort of overnight deal. George Washington STARTED this country with a national debt. Most Congresses did nothing but add to that. I think that it was paid off at one time and the tears from the liberals were absolutely endless. |
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Official pedal cyclist road deaths in 2016 ex DOT/NHTSA/FARS(Fatality Analysis Reporting System)
On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 1:56:31 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 7:29:47 AM UTC-7, wrote: blah Plus, my point is that Trump used bankruptcy as a way of doing business -- screwing down creditors and discharging debt. Debt default is not an option for the federal government (maybe the Argentina federal government, but not the US), and thinking Trump would be a great president because he was supposedly a great businessman is like thinking a typist will be a great pianist because a piano is just another keyboard. Macro economics, monetary policy and the business of governments is a lot different than putting together some single-asset LLC or corporation to do a real estate deal, even a big real estate deal. - Jay Beattie. I'm wondering what court you've ever been in where the business owner with money could get away without paying creditors. All of them. In a corporate bankruptcy, the several shareholders' personal assets are not at risk. I lost my 5% share of a firm which did go belly up in 1985 but I did not lose my own house over it. I'm no expert on LLC rules but my understanding is that they function similarly such that the firm's assets are the limit of liability -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 Well that's what I meant of course. But you would normally invest money into a company that would use your money for infrastructure and wages wouldn't you? I thought you were talking about risk and who pays creditors (if anyone) in the event of a business failure. Yes, the owner of a start-up has to use personal or investor money to make payroll. The federal government, however, is not a start-up. It does not have some product in the pipeline that is going to explode onto the market and produce revenues sufficient to retire debt and pay-off investors. The only investment income earned by the federal government is on its own debt. It also gets royalties and has some other income streams (apart from taxes), but . . . https://www.politico.com/agenda/stor...iveaway-000645 Anyway, the business of government bears little resemblance to property development. -- Jay Beattie. What's even better is Kickstarter where you can say you're developing a revolutionary item, take the money and then NOT deliver anything to those who gave you that money. Cheers |
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Official pedal cyclist road deaths in 2016 ex DOT/NHTSA/FARS(Fatality Analysis Reporting System)
On 10/10/2018 2:15 PM, AMuzi wrote:
On 10/10/2018 12:56 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 7:29:47 AM UTC-7, wrote: blah Plus, my point is that Trump used bankruptcy as a way of doing business -- screwing down creditors and discharging debt.Â* Debt default is not an option for the federal government (maybe the Argentina federal government, but not the US), and thinking Trump would be a great president because he was supposedly a great businessman is like thinking a typist will be a great pianist because a piano is just another keyboard. Macro economics, monetary policy and the business of governments is a lot different than putting together some single-asset LLC or corporation to do a real estate deal, even a big real estate deal. - Jay Beattie. I'm wondering what court you've ever been in where the business owner with money could get away without paying creditors. All of them. In a corporate bankruptcy, the several shareholders' personal assets are not at risk.Â* I lost my 5% share of a firm which did go belly up in 1985 but I did not lose my own house over it. I'm no expert on LLC rules but my understanding is that they function similarly such that the firm's assets are the limit of liability Well that's what I meant of course. But you would normally invest money into a company that would use your money for infrastructure and wages wouldn't you? I thought you were talking about risk and who pays creditors (if anyone) in the event of a business failure. Yes, the owner of a start-up has to use personal or investor money to make payroll. The federal government, however, is not a start-up.Â* It does not have some product in the pipeline that is going to explode onto the market and produce revenues sufficient to retire debt and pay-off investors. The only investment income earned by the federal government is on its own debt.Â* It also gets royalties and has some other income streams (apart from taxes), but . . . https://www.politico.com/agenda/stor...iveaway-000645 Anyway, the business of government bears little resemblance to property development. If any other entity kept books and reported the way the United States of America does, all its principals would be tried, convicted and jailed promptly. Speaking of other entities: I'm often interested in how things are done in other countries. So regarding this discussion - are there other countries that have better government financing schemes than the U.S.? What exactly do they do that we don't? I suspect that there are better ways. The U.S. is nowhere close to the top of many desirable lists. (Not that I'm passionately interested in government financing or classical economics...) -- - Frank Krygowski |
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Official pedal cyclist road deaths in 2016 ex DOT/NHTSA/FARS(Fatality Analysis Reporting System)
On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 14:05:10 -0700, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
What's even better is Kickstarter where you can say you're developing a revolutionary item, take the money and then NOT deliver anything to those who gave you that money. I was under the impression that many of those type of funders do checks on the people behind the request and their progress on delivering the goods and made progress payments. |
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Official pedal cyclist road deaths in 2016 ex DOT/NHTSA/FARS(Fatality Analysis Reporting System)
On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 2:22:15 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 10/10/2018 4:38 PM, wrote: On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 11:15:28 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 10/10/2018 12:56 PM, jbeattie wrote: On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 7:29:47 AM UTC-7, wrote: blah Plus, my point is that Trump used bankruptcy as a way of doing business -- screwing down creditors and discharging debt. Debt default is not an option for the federal government (maybe the Argentina federal government, but not the US), and thinking Trump would be a great president because he was supposedly a great businessman is like thinking a typist will be a great pianist because a piano is just another keyboard. Macro economics, monetary policy and the business of governments is a lot different than putting together some single-asset LLC or corporation to do a real estate deal, even a big real estate deal. - Jay Beattie. I'm wondering what court you've ever been in where the business owner with money could get away without paying creditors. All of them. In a corporate bankruptcy, the several shareholders' personal assets are not at risk. I lost my 5% share of a firm which did go belly up in 1985 but I did not lose my own house over it. I'm no expert on LLC rules but my understanding is that they function similarly such that the firm's assets are the limit of liability Well that's what I meant of course. But you would normally invest money into a company that would use your money for infrastructure and wages wouldn't you? I thought you were talking about risk and who pays creditors (if anyone) in the event of a business failure. Yes, the owner of a start-up has to use personal or investor money to make payroll. The federal government, however, is not a start-up. It does not have some product in the pipeline that is going to explode onto the market and produce revenues sufficient to retire debt and pay-off investors. The only investment income earned by the federal government is on its own debt. It also gets royalties and has some other income streams (apart from taxes), but . . . https://www.politico.com/agenda/stor...iveaway-000645 Anyway, the business of government bears little resemblance to property development. If any other entity kept books and reported the way the United States of America does, all its principals would be tried, convicted and jailed promptly. Andrew, remember that this isn't some sort of overnight deal. George Washington STARTED this country with a national debt. Most Congresses did nothing but add to that. I think that it was paid off at one time and the tears from the liberals were absolutely endless. https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-b...ercent-3306296 -- - Frank Krygowski Frank - those numbers don't look right. I'd have to look them up again but I think that in the "national debt" they are including the "intergovernmental holdings" which is the Social Security and Medicare trust funds. You might say that "intergovernmental holdings" is the "good debt" since it represents money that is paid into the Social Security network. Had this been handled correctly the Intergovernmental Holdings could have paid the Debt Held By The Public down to zero. But that would have required a Congress that could understand economic good sense. |
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