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Old May 19th 12, 07:33 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Mason
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Maybe a reason to make schoolkids wear helmets on coaches like they did when
on a school walk out at Goathland the other day.

QUOTE:

AN accident involving a pedal cyclist and a van left a school coach carrying
41 children stuck in a ditch at the side of a road in Farnham. The crash
happened in Tilford Road, close to the Duke of Cambridge pub, at around
3.45pm on Monday. The single decker coach was carrying children from
Waverley Abbey School. A girl and a boy aged between eight and 11 were put
in neck braces and taken to the Royal Surrey County Hospital in Guildford
suffering from whiplash-type injuries.

A number of other children were treated at the scene for shock, as was the
coach driver.

PC Joe McGregor, speaking at the scene on Monday afternoon, said: "The road
has a shallow turn. We have interviewed the driver of the coach and we are
to visit and interview the driver of the van."

Surrey Police said on Tuesday that the cyclist - who officers were
originally trying to trace - had now come forward and been spoken to.

"Officers also spoke to a number of other witnesses following the incident,"
a spokeswoman added
PC McGregor said that parents were able to pick up their children very
quickly after the accident.

The youngsters got out of the coach through the emergency exit and gathered
on the driveway of a nearby house, where the owner helped to look after them
by handing out blankets and warm drinks.

Headteacher David Jeffs plus two other members of staff from Waverley Abbey
School also went to the scene to conduct a head count and manage the
situation when parents arrived.

Tilford Road was closed in both directions for just under six hours while
recovery of the coach took place.

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/21...ch_after_crash

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Simon Mason

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Old May 22nd 12, 07:44 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Doug[_10_]
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Default Cyclist sought after coach comes off worst

On May 19, 7:33*pm, "Simon Mason"
wrote:
Maybe a reason to make schoolkids wear helmets on coaches like they did when
on a school walk out at Goathland the other day.

QUOTE:

AN accident involving a pedal cyclist and a van left a school coach carrying
41 children stuck in a ditch at the side of a road in Farnham. The crash
happened in Tilford Road, close to the Duke of Cambridge pub, at around
3.45pm on Monday. The single decker coach was carrying children from
Waverley Abbey School. A girl and a boy aged between eight and 11 were put
in neck braces and taken to the Royal Surrey County Hospital in Guildford
suffering from whiplash-type injuries.

A number of other children were treated at the scene for shock, as was the
coach driver.

PC Joe McGregor, speaking at the scene on Monday afternoon, said: "The road
has a shallow turn. We have interviewed the driver of the coach and we are
to visit and interview the driver of the van."

Surrey Police said on Tuesday that the cyclist - who officers were
originally trying to trace - had now come forward and been spoken to.

"Officers also spoke to a number of other witnesses following the incident,"
a spokeswoman added
PC McGregor said that parents were able to pick up their children very
quickly after the accident.

The youngsters got out of the coach through the emergency exit and gathered
on the driveway of a nearby house, where the owner helped to look after them
by handing out blankets and warm drinks.

Headteacher David Jeffs plus two other members of staff from Waverley Abbey
School also went to the scene to conduct a head count and manage the
situation when parents arrived.

Tilford Road was closed in both directions for just under six hours while
recovery of the coach took place.

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/21...ulled_from_dit...

Given that the efficacy of helmets is questionable shouldn't your
request be that children should wear full body armour when travelling
in coaches and when in cars too? This would undoubtedly reduce child
casualties by a significant amount.

Doug.

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Old May 22nd 12, 11:41 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Partac[_10_]
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Default Cyclist sought after coach comes off worst



"Simon Mason" wrote in message
. uk...

Maybe a reason to make schoolkids wear helmets on coaches like they did when
on a school walk out at Goathland the other day.

QUOTE:

AN accident involving a pedal cyclist and a van left a school coach carrying
41 children stuck in a ditch at the side of a road in Farnham. The crash
happened in Tilford Road, close to the Duke of Cambridge pub, at around
3.45pm on Monday. The single decker coach was carrying children from
Waverley Abbey School. A girl and a boy aged between eight and 11 were put
in neck braces and taken to the Royal Surrey County Hospital in Guildford
suffering from whiplash-type injuries.

A number of other children were treated at the scene for shock, as was the
coach driver.

PC Joe McGregor, speaking at the scene on Monday afternoon, said: "The road
has a shallow turn. We have interviewed the driver of the coach and we are
to visit and interview the driver of the van."

Surrey Police said on Tuesday that the cyclist - who officers were
originally trying to trace - had now come forward and been spoken to.

"Officers also spoke to a number of other witnesses following the incident,"
a spokeswoman added
PC McGregor said that parents were able to pick up their children very
quickly after the accident.

The youngsters got out of the coach through the emergency exit and gathered
on the driveway of a nearby house, where the owner helped to look after them
by handing out blankets and warm drinks.

Headteacher David Jeffs plus two other members of staff from Waverley Abbey
School also went to the scene to conduct a head count and manage the
situation when parents arrived.

Tilford Road was closed in both directions for just under six hours while
recovery of the coach took place.

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/21...ch_after_crash

--
Simon Mason

I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say? Is it that cyclists should be
made to have road risks insurance? Is it that cycles should carry
registration plates and that riders should have compulsory testing?

We are all already aware that cyclists can be involved in or even cause
accidents that may impact on other road users.

The fact that the police were initially trying to trace the cyclist, but he
apparently came forward would tend to support the use of registration plates
for ID purposes.

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Old May 22nd 12, 12:02 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default Cyclist sought after coach comes off worst

On Tuesday, 22 May 2012 11:41:05 UTC+1, Partac wrote:
"Simon Mason" wrote in message
. uk...

Maybe a reason to make schoolkids wear helmets on coaches like they did when
on a school walk out at Goathland the other day.

QUOTE:

AN accident involving a pedal cyclist and a van left a school coach carrying
41 children stuck in a ditch at the side of a road in Farnham. The crash
happened in Tilford Road, close to the Duke of Cambridge pub, at around
3.45pm on Monday. The single decker coach was carrying children from
Waverley Abbey School. A girl and a boy aged between eight and 11 were put
in neck braces and taken to the Royal Surrey County Hospital in Guildford
suffering from whiplash-type injuries.

A number of other children were treated at the scene for shock, as was the
coach driver.

PC Joe McGregor, speaking at the scene on Monday afternoon, said: "The road
has a shallow turn. We have interviewed the driver of the coach and we are
to visit and interview the driver of the van."

Surrey Police said on Tuesday that the cyclist - who officers were
originally trying to trace - had now come forward and been spoken to.

"Officers also spoke to a number of other witnesses following the incident,"
a spokeswoman added
PC McGregor said that parents were able to pick up their children very
quickly after the accident.

The youngsters got out of the coach through the emergency exit and gathered
on the driveway of a nearby house, where the owner helped to look after them
by handing out blankets and warm drinks.

Headteacher David Jeffs plus two other members of staff from Waverley Abbey
School also went to the scene to conduct a head count and manage the
situation when parents arrived.

Tilford Road was closed in both directions for just under six hours while
recovery of the coach took place.

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/21...ch_after_crash

--
Simon Mason

I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say? Is it that cyclists should be
made to have road risks insurance? Is it that cycles should carry
registration plates and that riders should have compulsory testing?

We are all already aware that cyclists can be involved in or even cause
accidents that may impact on other road users.

The same applies to horses, do you propose to tattoo numbers on their arses?

  #5  
Old May 22nd 12, 04:50 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Partac[_10_]
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"Tris" wrote in message
...

In post "Partac"
wrote:

[...] The fact that the police were initially trying to trace the cyclist,
but he
apparently came forward would tend to support the use of registration
plates
for ID purposes.


Doesn't the fact the cyclist in this case came forward to speak to the
police clearly demonstrated that bicycle registration plates would have
been completely unnecessary?

Of course not - how many times have we seen examples being pasted on this
group where the cyclist just rides away never to be seen again?
Just because there is one cyclist with a sense of guilt it doesn't mean
that they all behave in the same way.

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Old May 22nd 12, 05:34 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Dave - Cyclists VOR
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Default Cyclist sought after coach comes off worst

On 22/05/2012 12:02, wrote:
On Tuesday, 22 May 2012 11:41:05 UTC+1, Partac wrote:
"Simon Mason" wrote in message
. uk...

Maybe a reason to make schoolkids wear helmets on coaches like they did when
on a school walk out at Goathland the other day.

QUOTE:

AN accident involving a pedal cyclist and a van left a school coach carrying
41 children stuck in a ditch at the side of a road in Farnham. The crash
happened in Tilford Road, close to the Duke of Cambridge pub, at around
3.45pm on Monday. The single decker coach was carrying children from
Waverley Abbey School. A girl and a boy aged between eight and 11 were put
in neck braces and taken to the Royal Surrey County Hospital in Guildford
suffering from whiplash-type injuries.

A number of other children were treated at the scene for shock, as was the
coach driver.

PC Joe McGregor, speaking at the scene on Monday afternoon, said: "The road
has a shallow turn. We have interviewed the driver of the coach and we are
to visit and interview the driver of the van."

Surrey Police said on Tuesday that the cyclist - who officers were
originally trying to trace - had now come forward and been spoken to.

"Officers also spoke to a number of other witnesses following the incident,"
a spokeswoman added
PC McGregor said that parents were able to pick up their children very
quickly after the accident.

The youngsters got out of the coach through the emergency exit and gathered
on the driveway of a nearby house, where the owner helped to look after them
by handing out blankets and warm drinks.

Headteacher David Jeffs plus two other members of staff from Waverley Abbey
School also went to the scene to conduct a head count and manage the
situation when parents arrived.

Tilford Road was closed in both directions for just under six hours while
recovery of the coach took place.

http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/21...ch_after_crash

--
Simon Mason

I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say? Is it that cyclists should be
made to have road risks insurance? Is it that cycles should carry
registration plates and that riders should have compulsory testing?

We are all already aware that cyclists can be involved in or even cause
accidents that may impact on other road users.

The same applies to horses, do you propose to tattoo numbers on their arses?

Horse riders are responsible road users, unlike road scum psycholists.

--
Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University
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Old May 23rd 12, 01:30 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Judith[_4_]
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Default Cyclist sought after coach comes off worst

On Tue, 22 May 2012 16:48:59 GMT, (Tris) wrote:

In post "Partac"
wrote:

"Tris" wrote in message
...

In post "Partac"
wrote:

[...] The fact that the police were initially trying to trace the cyclist,
but he
apparently came forward would tend to support the use of registration
plates
for ID purposes.


Doesn't the fact the cyclist in this case came forward to speak to the
police clearly demonstrated that bicycle registration plates would have
been completely unnecessary?

Of course not - how many times have we seen examples being pasted on this
group where the cyclist just rides away never to be seen again?


But it would be one of those cases that would tend to support the use of
registration plates for ID purposes and not this particular one that you
have tried to put forward as an example. This particular one would be
better suited to be put forward by those who oppose such registration,
as an example of why registration plates are not needed.

Just because there is one cyclist with a sense of guilt it doesn't mean
that they all behave in the same way.


Next, then, I would have thought, we would at least need to know if
there are enough cyclists without a sense of guilt, involved in enough
serious incidents, who are never managed to be traced, to warrant the
introduction of bicycle registration. Even after that, we would have to
factor in all the other implications before coming to a final decision.



I have been involved with or witnessed a number of accidents with cyclists
where the cyclist buggered off smartish and did not provide their details


I have never, never been involved with or witnessed an accident with a
pedestrian, a motor vehicle, or a horse rider where the other party has
buggered off smartish.

The cyclists are carrying out our job for us in calling for registration and
regulation.

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Old May 23rd 12, 02:34 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
jnugent
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On 22/05/2012 16:26, Tris wrote:

In "Partac"
wrote:

[...] The fact that the police were initially trying to trace the cyclist, but he
apparently came forward would tend to support the use of registration plates
for ID purposes.


Doesn't the fact the cyclist in this case came forward to speak to the
police clearly demonstrated that bicycle registration plates would have
been completely unnecessary?


After all, *every* scofflaw cyclist pelting through red traffic lights or
hurtling along the footway immediately hands (or "dobs") himself in to the
police, doesn't he?
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Old May 23rd 12, 05:30 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
roger merriman
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Default Cyclist sought after coach comes off worst

Phil W Lee wrote:

"Partac" considered Tue, 22 May 2012 16:50:28
+0100 the perfect time to write:



"Tris" wrote in message
...

In post "Partac"
wrote:

[...] The fact that the police were initially trying to trace the cyclist,
but he
apparently came forward would tend to support the use of registration
plates
for ID purposes.


Doesn't the fact the cyclist in this case came forward to speak to the
police clearly demonstrated that bicycle registration plates would have
been completely unnecessary?

Of course not - how many times have we seen examples being pasted on this
group where the cyclist just rides away never to be seen again?
Just because there is one cyclist with a sense of guilt it doesn't mean
that they all behave in the same way.


I doubt if guilt has anything to do with it.
It seems to have been the predictable result of a dangerous overtake
of the cyclist forcing the coach off the road.


is no one reading the report?

"AN accident involving a pedal cyclist and a van"

so thats a bike and a van.

"left a school coach carrying 41 children stuck in a ditch at the side
of a road in Farnham."

thats a Coach so you have a bike and van, and a Coach.

seems to sugest the Coach came upon a cyclist and van who had some sort
of accident or incident. Maybe the coach swerved, the artical is light
of facts.

Roger
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