How To Settle Disagreements On uk.rec.cycling: A Criterium

On 19/05/2012 19:34, Tris wrote:
In Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

On 19/05/2012 14:32, Tris wrote:

[...] the benefits of cycling, which include:

Needing no fixed timetable - you can go when you like!

As with a car.

But for that 'as-with-a-car' privilege motorists have to pay much more,
don't they? As I noted in another post:

"[...] Drivers pay into that big pot [income tax] as well. Then they pay
an extra specific tax to use a car on the road." - Dave

"and an extra tax for the insurance, and the fuel, not to mention the
tax on spares and repairs, and the licence, and the initial training and
testing, parking, tolls, it goes on and on." - Mr. Cheerful

"In 2008-09 motorists paid £30.2 billion in motoring taxes.
In that year the cost of road building was £9.1 billion and the social
cost of greenhouse gas emissions from road transport was £3.2 billion.
That implies motoring taxes were excessive by £17.9 billion." - Dave

Is this it then, the reason why so many motorists here are clamoring for
cyclists to be taxed is because they feel so hard done by that they are
simply jealous and bitter of cyclists paying nothing like them? I
thought there must be a good reason for otherwise nice people to be not
so nice - human nature has a lot to answer for.

Motorists object to sponging freeloading cyclists wanting not only to
use the roads, but constantly whinging about wanting cycle lanes, shared
paths, junction layout changes, advanced boxes & every other privilege
under the sun.



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Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University

"Tris" wrote in message
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In post Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:

On 19/05/2012 14:32, Tris wrote:

[...] the benefits of cycling, which include:

Needing no fixed timetable - you can go when you like!

As with a car.

But for that 'as-with-a-car' privilege motorists have to pay much more,
don't they? As I noted in another post:

"[...] Drivers pay into that big pot [income tax] as well. Then they pay
an extra specific tax to use a car on the road." - Dave

"and an extra tax for the insurance, and the fuel, not to mention the
tax on spares and repairs, and the licence, and the initial training and
testing, parking, tolls, it goes on and on." - Mr. Cheerful

"In 2008-09 motorists paid £30.2 billion in motoring taxes.
In that year the cost of road building was £9.1 billion and the social
cost of greenhouse gas emissions from road transport was £3.2 billion.
That implies motoring taxes were excessive by £17.9 billion." - Dave

Is this it then, the reason why so many motorists here are clamoring for
cyclists to be taxed is because they feel so hard done by that they are
simply jealous and bitter of cyclists paying nothing like them? I
thought there must be a good reason for otherwise nice people to be not
so nice - human nature has a lot to answer for.



If cyclists behaved themselves in accordance with the highway code and the
standards of decent human beings -then there would be no problem.
Unfortunately, they don't. I am sure there are a few decent cyclists, but
they are so outnumbered by the cyclo rabble that they disappear. It seems
to me that the only way to make cyclists improve their own act is regulation
(since they won't do it themselves)

On Sat, 19 May 2012 11:32:51 +0100, JNugent wrote:
On 19/05/2012 11:24, Ian Smith wrote:

Smoking, drinking, and driving a car that requires VED payments are
all avoidable activities arising from lifestyle choices.

I see no problem with the government taxing them.

That's a view, and many would suppose it reasonable enough.

Riding a bicycle is also an avoidable activity arising from
lifestyle choices.

I would see no problem with the government taxing that activity.

No, neither would I. If I continued to cycle, I wouldn't bleat about
teh consequences of my choice to do so.

regards, Ian SMith
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On Sat, 19 May 2012 17:43:19 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:



I've had fun. Cycling isn't it.


It is for me. Great fun.

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On Sat, 19 May 2012 16:41:27 +0000, Tris wrote:

In post Dave - Cyclists VOR
wrote:



It would reduce the cycling scum on the roads?

...and turn them into motoring scum on the roads?

Good point.
Scum is scum regardless of the mode of transport.



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On Sat, 19 May 2012 17:36:16 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:


are
generally ****s.

And proud of it.



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Tris wrote:
In post "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

If cyclists behaved themselves in accordance with the highway code
and the standards of decent human beings -then there would be no
problem. Unfortunately, they don't. I am sure there are a few
decent cyclists, but they are so outnumbered by the cyclo rabble
that they disappear. It seems to me that the only way to make
cyclists improve their own act is regulation (since they won't do it
themselves)

"Cyclo rabble" exist and so do decent cyclists - the rabble will tend
to be more evident by their very nature. I think regulation to deal
with them is already in place, isn't it? It just needs to be enforced
as, and when, appropriate.

they need more regulation so the existing laws can be more easily applied.
they also need extra legislation to bring cycling into the modern world.

On 20/05/2012 20:10, Tosspot wrote:
On 18/05/12 12:22, NorthWalesYorkie wrote:
On May 18, 5:19 am, Bret wrote:
The guy who wins decides road usage.

Bret Cahill

You can never win an argument with a moron, they're too stupid to
realise that they've lost.
Just look at the Medway handjob wittering on about "road tax", despite
being told on many occasions that there is no such tax.

Is he still here? Work must be slow in the flat pack world.

Busier than ever. How are things in the retard world?

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Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University

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On Friday, 18 May 2012 19:06:47 UTC+1, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:
On 18/05/2012 11:22, NorthWalesYorkie wrote:
On May 18, 5:19 am, Bret wrote:
The guy who wins decides road usage.

Bret Cahill

You can never win an argument with a moron, they're too stupid to
realise that they've lost.

I've noticed that with cyclists. Too thick to realise they have lost.

Just look at the Medway handjob wittering on about "road tax", despite
being told on many occasions that there is no such tax.

Q: Can you use the vast majority of cars on a public 'road' without
paying a specific extra 'tax'?

A: No.

So do you also rant at drivers of zero-rated cars?

He is too thick to know which cars are zero rated so Bertie had to give him
a cut out and keep handy guide so he can howl at those spongers as well.
All two million of them including the Queen - I would pay to see him hurl
abuse at the royal freeloaders, farmers and disabled drivers.

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Simon Mason

On 20/05/2012 21:31, Phil W Lee wrote:
(Tris) considered Sun, 20 May 2012 07:50:19
GMT the perfect time to write:

In "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

If cyclists behaved themselves in accordance with the highway code and the
standards of decent human beings -then there would be no problem.
Unfortunately, they don't. I am sure there are a few decent cyclists, but
they are so outnumbered by the cyclo rabble that they disappear. It seems
to me that the only way to make cyclists improve their own act is regulation
(since they won't do it themselves)

"Cyclo rabble" exist and so do decent cyclists - the rabble will tend to
be more evident by their very nature. I think regulation to deal with
them is already in place, isn't it? It just needs to be enforced as, and
when, appropriate.

But of course, it's far more important to enforce the regulations on
the greatest threat.
Motoring is the biggest cause of death in young people in the
developed world.

No it isn't you lying little ****. It ranks at number 16.

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Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a
legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a
vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster
University