Will it open on time

"M Wicks" wrote in message
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We need to sit down and really think about how to hit unnecessary
drivers where it hurts, rather than putting in a few bus lanes etc.
here and there and hoping that will do the trick. It isn't working,
because no real research and coordination is happening, and also
because it is all being done covertly for fear of alienating those who
are making the unnecessary journeys (who, after all, vote).

The poor dears already suffer enough at their own hands - take a look at
this!

http://www.swldxer.co.uk/roadworks.wmv

How miserable a way to travel is that?
--
Simon Mason

On Sat, 19 May 2012 10:50:47 -0700 (PDT), M Wicks wrote:

On May 16, 11:23*pm, JNugent wrote:
On 16/05/2012 21:22, Bertie Wooster wrote:









On Wed, 16 May 2012 20:35:38 +0100,
wrote:

On 16/05/2012 20:25, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 20:10:47 +0100,
wrote:

On 16/05/2012 07:45, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 23:40:38 +0100,
wrote:

On 15/05/2012 21:25, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:
On 15/05/2012 20:49, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 17:05:01 +0100,
wrote:

On 15/05/2012 16:36, Bertie Wooster wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQJ_pMnO-GU#!

I said it would be open by 21 June. No one took me up on my offer of a
modest wager.

Time is running out...

Neat animation. Certainly as good as The Jetsons used to be, or Futurama.

Any word on when the real thing will be available?

TfL only say "summer 2012".
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...mes/15959.aspx

This video was shot 4 days ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0OHLF0FQDg
It looks ready to me.

Or the fare levels?

Anything greater than £0 would be unfair, as motorists can cross under
the river for free. Pedestrians and cyclists are banned from the
Blackwall Tunnel.

Motorists pay Road Tax so nothing is free.

And there is also the little matter of a minimum of about 8p a mile in other
taxes. And insurance premium tax.

The Emirates Air Line is 0.61 miles long. Rounded up to the nearest
penny, that would make a charge of 5p. Assuming the average car weighs
1000Kg and the average human 75Kg the charge should be 1p (rounded up
from 0.366p).

You seem to have made the mistake of thinking that the cost of paying for and
operating an expensive white elephant is about the same per trip as the price
for fuel involved in driving a small car for about a kilometre.

But that's OK. You can already see where you went wrong.

And you seem to have made the mistake of thinking the Blackwall Tunnel
was built for motor vehicles.

It wasn't. Neither were Tottenham Court Road, Shaftesbury Avenue, Charing
Cross Road or Whitehall (or for that matter, certain quite long stretches of
the A1, A10, A2, A5 or A46).

But so what?

Having been build and paid for by non motorists, motorists now use it
free of charge and non-motorists banned.

Not so. Take a taxi.

It therefore would be right
for non-motorists to be provided with a free alternative.

A "free" alternative paid for by others?

Just remind us again why cyclists should be subsidised by the rest of society.
Are we? I expect I pay more tax than the average motorist, and I pay
VED to boot.

Use your car, then, and stop complaining.

Some of us try to limit our car use, being responsible members of
society who see all the downsides of motoring and are able and willing
to think of others.

Most car journeys are completely unnecessary, and therefore selfish. I
for one would applaud efforts by the government to penalise or even
ban unnecessary car journeys. This would not only benefit vulnerable
road users, but also those who actually needed to use their cars. It
is time that we took a more hardline approach on this issue, as it is
clear that existing feeble efforts to deter driving are not having the
desired effect (and are a blunt instrument in that they affect those
on necessary car journeys as much as the selfish majority of drivers).

We need to sit down and really think about how to hit unnecessary
drivers where it hurts, rather than putting in a few bus lanes etc.
here and there and hoping that will do the trick. It isn't working,
because no real research and coordination is happening, and also
because it is all being done covertly for fear of alienating those who
are making the unnecessary journeys (who, after all, vote).


I really do wish that you would just ****-off.

On Sun, 20 May 2012 23:53:51 +0100, Judith wrote:

On Sat, 19 May 2012 10:50:47 -0700 (PDT), M Wicks
wrote:

On May 16, 11:23Â*pm, JNugent wrote:
On 16/05/2012 21:22, Bertie Wooster wrote:









On Wed, 16 May 2012 20:35:38 +0100,
wrote:

On 16/05/2012 20:25, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Wed, 16 May 2012 20:10:47 +0100,
wrote:

On 16/05/2012 07:45, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 23:40:38 +0100,
wrote:

On 15/05/2012 21:25, Dave - Cyclists VOR wrote:
On 15/05/2012 20:49, Bertie Wooster wrote:
On Tue, 15 May 2012 17:05:01 +0100,
wrote:

On 15/05/2012 16:36, Bertie Wooster wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQJ_pMnO-GU#!

I said it would be open by 21 June. No one took me up on my
offer of a modest wager.

Time is running out...

Neat animation. Certainly as good as The Jetsons used to be,
or Futurama.

Any word on when the real thing will be available?

TfL only say "summer 2012".
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/proj...mes/15959.aspx

This video was shot 4 days ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0OHLF0FQDg
It looks ready to me.

Or the fare levels?

Anything greater than £0 would be unfair, as motorists can
cross under the river for free. Pedestrians and cyclists are
banned from the Blackwall Tunnel.

Motorists pay Road Tax so nothing is free.

And there is also the little matter of a minimum of about 8p a
mile in other taxes. And insurance premium tax.

The Emirates Air Line is 0.61 miles long. Rounded up to the
nearest penny, that would make a charge of 5p. Assuming the
average car weighs 1000Kg and the average human 75Kg the charge
should be 1p (rounded up from 0.366p).

You seem to have made the mistake of thinking that the cost of
paying for and operating an expensive white elephant is about the
same per trip as the price for fuel involved in driving a small
car for about a kilometre.

But that's OK. You can already see where you went wrong.

And you seem to have made the mistake of thinking the Blackwall
Tunnel was built for motor vehicles.

It wasn't. Neither were Tottenham Court Road, Shaftesbury Avenue,
Charing Cross Road or Whitehall (or for that matter, certain quite
long stretches of the A1, A10, A2, A5 or A46).

But so what?

Having been build and paid for by non motorists, motorists now use
it free of charge and non-motorists banned.

Not so. Take a taxi.

It therefore would be right for non-motorists to be provided with a
free alternative.

A "free" alternative paid for by others?

Just remind us again why cyclists should be subsidised by the rest
of society.
Are we? I expect I pay more tax than the average motorist, and I pay
VED to boot.

Use your car, then, and stop complaining.

Some of us try to limit our car use, being responsible members of
society who see all the downsides of motoring and are able and willing
to think of others.

Most car journeys are completely unnecessary, and therefore selfish. I
for one would applaud efforts by the government to penalise or even ban
unnecessary car journeys. This would not only benefit vulnerable road
users, but also those who actually needed to use their cars. It is time
that we took a more hardline approach on this issue, as it is clear that
existing feeble efforts to deter driving are not having the desired
effect (and are a blunt instrument in that they affect those on
necessary car journeys as much as the selfish majority of drivers).

We need to sit down and really think about how to hit unnecessary
drivers where it hurts, rather than putting in a few bus lanes etc. here
and there and hoping that will do the trick. It isn't working, because
no real research and coordination is happening, and also because it is
all being done covertly for fear of alienating those who are making the
unnecessary journeys (who, after all, vote).


I really do wish that you would just ****-off.



I really wish the s/he does not. S/He talks a f*****g sight more sense
that the paranoid misanthropist drivel that you vomit out.



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