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  #41  
Old May 15th 15, 10:21 AM posted to aus.legal,aus.bicycle
Jeßus[_3_]
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Posts: 12
Default Talkback one eyed lunatics.

On Fri, 15 May 2015 11:01:45 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

F Murtz wrote:
Jeßus wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2015 18:33:45 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

Jeßus wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2015 17:17:33 +1000, "Pelican"
wrote:



"Jeßus" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 May 2015 15:28:49 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

I do not know If any one has heard 2UE afternoon talkback, think his
name is Justin smith,on the subject of bicycle rider
registration, he
seems manic on the subject and howls down anyone who has an opposite
view to his, he seems to have the opinion that it is a foregone
conclusion that we will have rider registration by the end of the
year.
He seems to have Duncan Gay (roads minister)on his side.
He also has the opinion that bicycle ordinations should not be
allowed
representation at the soon to be,round table group on the subject
with
Duncan Gay because "they are going to say no to everything".
His idea is registration of rider not bicycle with mandated fluoro
jackets with number on the back.

We would then be the only place in the world with it.
It would almost mean the death knell for cycle riding.

You might find a lot of people celebrating if that comes to pass.
I know I certainly would be. I recently fitted cameras to all my
vehicles, specifically because of lycra wearig cyclists who think
theyre entitled to do whatever they please on country roads.

The next rider who makes me choose between hitting him/her, or
another
innocent vehicle, or the roadside verge, is going to have a very bad
day.

Even if every rider was a suicidal ****wit, you should not be in a
situation
of making such a choice.

I shouldn't be, as you say. The last incident that compelled me to
install cameras was extremely dangerous and almost caused a head on
collision with an oncoming car. Not only was the rider unapologetic,
he fully denied being dead centre of my lane (even though he was,
hence the cameras now)... this was on a tight bend, on a country road
with barriers/rails on the LHS and a cutting to the right (oncoming
car anyway so that wasn't an option either). That rider is very lucky
to still be here.

After 10 years living in the Sunshine Coast hinterland and now N.E Tas
- both places very popular with riders - I've lost pretty much all
tolerance for them. Too many incidents and far too consistently for my
liking.


You have me puzzled, why would a rider being dead centre of a lane cause
a problem? was he coming toward you on the wrong side of the road?

He was in my lane, going in my direction. The problem was he was in
the middle of my lane and I couldn't veer into the oncoming lane
because of an oncoming vehicle. I was *going* to veer into the other
lane but thankfully I didn't (blind corner).
I dunno, you've lost me a bit here if you can't see the problem?


The problem is, regardless of the inconvenience of it a cyclist has
every right to cycle in the middle of the lane and unless the law is
changed it is one of the things up with which we must put, like wombats,
tractors,and any other slow moving things,that is why emphasis is put on
the dangers of blind curves.



OOPS,Apparently some jurisdictions state that you must keep to the left
when practicable on a bicycle.


Naturally. Why in the blue **** would some juridictions allow cyclists
to sit in the middle of the lane?
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  #42  
Old May 15th 15, 10:24 AM posted to aus.legal,aus.bicycle
Jeßus[_3_]
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Posts: 12
Default Talkback one eyed lunatics.

On Fri, 15 May 2015 11:19:44 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

F Murtz wrote:
F Murtz wrote:
Jeßus wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2015 18:33:45 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

Jeßus wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2015 17:17:33 +1000, "Pelican"
wrote:



"Jeßus" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 May 2015 15:28:49 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

I do not know If any one has heard 2UE afternoon talkback, think
his
name is Justin smith,on the subject of bicycle rider
registration, he
seems manic on the subject and howls down anyone who has an
opposite
view to his, he seems to have the opinion that it is a foregone
conclusion that we will have rider registration by the end of the
year.
He seems to have Duncan Gay (roads minister)on his side.
He also has the opinion that bicycle ordinations should not be
allowed
representation at the soon to be,round table group on the subject
with
Duncan Gay because "they are going to say no to everything".
His idea is registration of rider not bicycle with mandated fluoro
jackets with number on the back.

We would then be the only place in the world with it.
It would almost mean the death knell for cycle riding.

You might find a lot of people celebrating if that comes to pass.
I know I certainly would be. I recently fitted cameras to all my
vehicles, specifically because of lycra wearig cyclists who think
theyre entitled to do whatever they please on country roads.

The next rider who makes me choose between hitting him/her, or
another
innocent vehicle, or the roadside verge, is going to have a very bad
day.

Even if every rider was a suicidal ****wit, you should not be in a
situation
of making such a choice.

I shouldn't be, as you say. The last incident that compelled me to
install cameras was extremely dangerous and almost caused a head on
collision with an oncoming car. Not only was the rider unapologetic,
he fully denied being dead centre of my lane (even though he was,
hence the cameras now)... this was on a tight bend, on a country road
with barriers/rails on the LHS and a cutting to the right (oncoming
car anyway so that wasn't an option either). That rider is very lucky
to still be here.

After 10 years living in the Sunshine Coast hinterland and now N.E Tas
- both places very popular with riders - I've lost pretty much all
tolerance for them. Too many incidents and far too consistently for my
liking.


You have me puzzled, why would a rider being dead centre of a lane
cause
a problem? was he coming toward you on the wrong side of the road?

He was in my lane, going in my direction. The problem was he was in
the middle of my lane and I couldn't veer into the oncoming lane
because of an oncoming vehicle. I was *going* to veer into the other
lane but thankfully I didn't (blind corner).
I dunno, you've lost me a bit here if you can't see the problem?


The problem is, regardless of the inconvenience of it a cyclist has
every right to cycle in the middle of the lane and unless the law is
changed it is one of the things up with which we must put, like wombats,
tractors,and any other slow moving things,that is why emphasis is put on
the dangers of blind curves.



OOPS,Apparently some jurisdictions state that you must keep to the left
when practicable on a bicycle.


OOPS again (note to self should research before hitting button)Seems to
refer to bicycle lanes


LOL. Now it gets even more absurd. So you've just assumed all this
stuff? May I ask why?

I can not find any law in Tasmania


What do you want to know? If you mean where cyclists are supposed to
ride on public roads is as close to the left as is possible. Drivers
are meant to give them 1 to 2m clearance in Tas.

and most states that stops a
bicycle riding in the centre of a lane except when it refers to bicycle
lanes


Mate, there's no freaking 'bicycle lanes' in the country/bush.
  #43  
Old May 15th 15, 11:44 AM posted to aus.legal,aus.bicycle
F Murtz[_2_]
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Posts: 193
Default Talkback one eyed lunatics.

Jeßus wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2015 11:01:45 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

F Murtz wrote:
Jeßus wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2015 18:33:45 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

Jeßus wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2015 17:17:33 +1000, "Pelican"
wrote:



"Jeßus" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 May 2015 15:28:49 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

I do not know If any one has heard 2UE afternoon talkback, think his
name is Justin smith,on the subject of bicycle rider
registration, he
seems manic on the subject and howls down anyone who has an opposite
view to his, he seems to have the opinion that it is a foregone
conclusion that we will have rider registration by the end of the
year.
He seems to have Duncan Gay (roads minister)on his side.
He also has the opinion that bicycle ordinations should not be
allowed
representation at the soon to be,round table group on the subject
with
Duncan Gay because "they are going to say no to everything".
His idea is registration of rider not bicycle with mandated fluoro
jackets with number on the back.

We would then be the only place in the world with it.
It would almost mean the death knell for cycle riding.

You might find a lot of people celebrating if that comes to pass.
I know I certainly would be. I recently fitted cameras to all my
vehicles, specifically because of lycra wearig cyclists who think
theyre entitled to do whatever they please on country roads.

The next rider who makes me choose between hitting him/her, or
another
innocent vehicle, or the roadside verge, is going to have a very bad
day.

Even if every rider was a suicidal ****wit, you should not be in a
situation
of making such a choice.

I shouldn't be, as you say. The last incident that compelled me to
install cameras was extremely dangerous and almost caused a head on
collision with an oncoming car. Not only was the rider unapologetic,
he fully denied being dead centre of my lane (even though he was,
hence the cameras now)... this was on a tight bend, on a country road
with barriers/rails on the LHS and a cutting to the right (oncoming
car anyway so that wasn't an option either). That rider is very lucky
to still be here.

After 10 years living in the Sunshine Coast hinterland and now N.E Tas
- both places very popular with riders - I've lost pretty much all
tolerance for them. Too many incidents and far too consistently for my
liking.


You have me puzzled, why would a rider being dead centre of a lane cause
a problem? was he coming toward you on the wrong side of the road?

He was in my lane, going in my direction. The problem was he was in
the middle of my lane and I couldn't veer into the oncoming lane
because of an oncoming vehicle. I was *going* to veer into the other
lane but thankfully I didn't (blind corner).
I dunno, you've lost me a bit here if you can't see the problem?


The problem is, regardless of the inconvenience of it a cyclist has
every right to cycle in the middle of the lane and unless the law is
changed it is one of the things up with which we must put, like wombats,
tractors,and any other slow moving things,that is why emphasis is put on
the dangers of blind curves.



OOPS,Apparently some jurisdictions state that you must keep to the left
when practicable on a bicycle.


Naturally. Why in the blue **** would some juridictions allow cyclists
to sit in the middle of the lane?


Most jurisdictions have a rider, "if practicable"which would cover many
things.
They are allowed if they have a reason.which may be a number of things
including bad surface at the edge etc,If there are two bicycles side by
side at least one would be at the centre.
It would also seem strange that it seem that motor cycles do not have to
keep to the left when cars and bicycles are supposed to.
  #44  
Old May 15th 15, 11:45 AM posted to aus.legal,aus.bicycle
F Murtz[_2_]
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Posts: 193
Default Talkback one eyed lunatics.

Jeßus wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2015 10:40:21 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

Jeßus wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2015 18:33:45 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

Jeßus wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2015 17:17:33 +1000, "Pelican"
wrote:



"Jeßus" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 May 2015 15:28:49 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

I do not know If any one has heard 2UE afternoon talkback, think his
name is Justin smith,on the subject of bicycle rider registration, he
seems manic on the subject and howls down anyone who has an opposite
view to his, he seems to have the opinion that it is a foregone
conclusion that we will have rider registration by the end of the year.
He seems to have Duncan Gay (roads minister)on his side.
He also has the opinion that bicycle ordinations should not be allowed
representation at the soon to be,round table group on the subject with
Duncan Gay because "they are going to say no to everything".
His idea is registration of rider not bicycle with mandated fluoro
jackets with number on the back.

We would then be the only place in the world with it.
It would almost mean the death knell for cycle riding.

You might find a lot of people celebrating if that comes to pass.
I know I certainly would be. I recently fitted cameras to all my
vehicles, specifically because of lycra wearig cyclists who think
theyre entitled to do whatever they please on country roads.

The next rider who makes me choose between hitting him/her, or another
innocent vehicle, or the roadside verge, is going to have a very bad
day.

Even if every rider was a suicidal ****wit, you should not be in a situation
of making such a choice.

I shouldn't be, as you say. The last incident that compelled me to
install cameras was extremely dangerous and almost caused a head on
collision with an oncoming car. Not only was the rider unapologetic,
he fully denied being dead centre of my lane (even though he was,
hence the cameras now)... this was on a tight bend, on a country road
with barriers/rails on the LHS and a cutting to the right (oncoming
car anyway so that wasn't an option either). That rider is very lucky
to still be here.

After 10 years living in the Sunshine Coast hinterland and now N.E Tas
- both places very popular with riders - I've lost pretty much all
tolerance for them. Too many incidents and far too consistently for my
liking.


You have me puzzled, why would a rider being dead centre of a lane cause
a problem? was he coming toward you on the wrong side of the road?

He was in my lane, going in my direction. The problem was he was in
the middle of my lane and I couldn't veer into the oncoming lane
because of an oncoming vehicle. I was *going* to veer into the other
lane but thankfully I didn't (blind corner).
I dunno, you've lost me a bit here if you can't see the problem?


The problem is, regardless of the inconvenience of it a cyclist has
every right to cycle in the middle of the lane


Umm, Jesus. Where do I start here with this?

1: They are NOT permitted to be in the middle of the lane (Where in
the hell are you getting that from?). They are required to keep as
close to the left of the lane as is possible.


Which may be the centre in some cases.

2: You describe a life threatening situation as an 'inconvenience'.
Are you just trolling these days?


and unless the law is
changed it is one of the things up with which we must put, like wombats,
tractors,and any other slow moving things,that is why emphasis is put on
the dangers of blind curves.


Mate, you're not well.


  #45  
Old May 15th 15, 12:30 PM posted to aus.legal,aus.bicycle
Rod Speed
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Posts: 1,488
Default Talkback one eyed lunatics.



"Jeßus" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 15 May 2015 11:19:44 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

F Murtz wrote:
F Murtz wrote:
Jeßus wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2015 18:33:45 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

Jeßus wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2015 17:17:33 +1000, "Pelican"
wrote:



"Jeßus" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 May 2015 15:28:49 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

I do not know If any one has heard 2UE afternoon talkback, think
his
name is Justin smith,on the subject of bicycle rider
registration, he
seems manic on the subject and howls down anyone who has an
opposite
view to his, he seems to have the opinion that it is a foregone
conclusion that we will have rider registration by the end of the
year.
He seems to have Duncan Gay (roads minister)on his side.
He also has the opinion that bicycle ordinations should not be
allowed
representation at the soon to be,round table group on the subject
with
Duncan Gay because "they are going to say no to everything".
His idea is registration of rider not bicycle with mandated
fluoro
jackets with number on the back.

We would then be the only place in the world with it.
It would almost mean the death knell for cycle riding.

You might find a lot of people celebrating if that comes to pass.
I know I certainly would be. I recently fitted cameras to all my
vehicles, specifically because of lycra wearig cyclists who think
theyre entitled to do whatever they please on country roads.

The next rider who makes me choose between hitting him/her, or
another
innocent vehicle, or the roadside verge, is going to have a very
bad
day.

Even if every rider was a suicidal ****wit, you should not be in a
situation
of making such a choice.

I shouldn't be, as you say. The last incident that compelled me to
install cameras was extremely dangerous and almost caused a head on
collision with an oncoming car. Not only was the rider unapologetic,
he fully denied being dead centre of my lane (even though he was,
hence the cameras now)... this was on a tight bend, on a country
road
with barriers/rails on the LHS and a cutting to the right (oncoming
car anyway so that wasn't an option either). That rider is very
lucky
to still be here.

After 10 years living in the Sunshine Coast hinterland and now N.E
Tas
- both places very popular with riders - I've lost pretty much all
tolerance for them. Too many incidents and far too consistently for
my
liking.


You have me puzzled, why would a rider being dead centre of a lane
cause
a problem? was he coming toward you on the wrong side of the road?

He was in my lane, going in my direction. The problem was he was in
the middle of my lane and I couldn't veer into the oncoming lane
because of an oncoming vehicle. I was *going* to veer into the other
lane but thankfully I didn't (blind corner).
I dunno, you've lost me a bit here if you can't see the problem?


The problem is, regardless of the inconvenience of it a cyclist has
every right to cycle in the middle of the lane and unless the law is
changed it is one of the things up with which we must put, like
wombats,
tractors,and any other slow moving things,that is why emphasis is put
on
the dangers of blind curves.


OOPS,Apparently some jurisdictions state that you must keep to the left
when practicable on a bicycle.


OOPS again (note to self should research before hitting button)Seems to
refer to bicycle lanes


LOL. Now it gets even more absurd. So you've just assumed all this
stuff? May I ask why?

I can not find any law in Tasmania


What do you want to know? If you mean where cyclists are supposed to
ride on public roads is as close to the left as is possible. Drivers
are meant to give them 1 to 2m clearance in Tas.

and most states that stops a
bicycle riding in the centre of a lane except when it refers to bicycle
lanes


Mate, there's no freaking 'bicycle lanes' in the country/bush.


Wrong, we have a few.

  #46  
Old May 15th 15, 08:39 PM posted to aus.legal,aus.bicycle
Stuart Longland
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Posts: 22
Default Talkback one eyed lunatics.

On 15/05/15 21:30, Rod Speed wrote:
Mate, there's no freaking 'bicycle lanes' in the country/bush.


Wrong, we have a few.


Not many though. I've been investigating routes that would take me out
of Brisbane and into NSW. So far it's a 50-50 toss between Spring Creek
Road or The Lions Road.

There's no inland cycle path that I know of, otherwise I'd gladly use it.
  #47  
Old May 15th 15, 10:42 PM posted to aus.legal,aus.bicycle
Jeßus[_3_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 12
Default Talkback one eyed lunatics.

On Fri, 15 May 2015 20:44:25 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

Jeßus wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2015 11:01:45 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

F Murtz wrote:
Jeßus wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2015 18:33:45 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

Jeßus wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2015 17:17:33 +1000, "Pelican"
wrote:



"Jeßus" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 May 2015 15:28:49 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

I do not know If any one has heard 2UE afternoon talkback, think his
name is Justin smith,on the subject of bicycle rider
registration, he
seems manic on the subject and howls down anyone who has an opposite
view to his, he seems to have the opinion that it is a foregone
conclusion that we will have rider registration by the end of the
year.
He seems to have Duncan Gay (roads minister)on his side.
He also has the opinion that bicycle ordinations should not be
allowed
representation at the soon to be,round table group on the subject
with
Duncan Gay because "they are going to say no to everything".
His idea is registration of rider not bicycle with mandated fluoro
jackets with number on the back.

We would then be the only place in the world with it.
It would almost mean the death knell for cycle riding.

You might find a lot of people celebrating if that comes to pass.
I know I certainly would be. I recently fitted cameras to all my
vehicles, specifically because of lycra wearig cyclists who think
theyre entitled to do whatever they please on country roads.

The next rider who makes me choose between hitting him/her, or
another
innocent vehicle, or the roadside verge, is going to have a very bad
day.

Even if every rider was a suicidal ****wit, you should not be in a
situation
of making such a choice.

I shouldn't be, as you say. The last incident that compelled me to
install cameras was extremely dangerous and almost caused a head on
collision with an oncoming car. Not only was the rider unapologetic,
he fully denied being dead centre of my lane (even though he was,
hence the cameras now)... this was on a tight bend, on a country road
with barriers/rails on the LHS and a cutting to the right (oncoming
car anyway so that wasn't an option either). That rider is very lucky
to still be here.

After 10 years living in the Sunshine Coast hinterland and now N.E Tas
- both places very popular with riders - I've lost pretty much all
tolerance for them. Too many incidents and far too consistently for my
liking.


You have me puzzled, why would a rider being dead centre of a lane cause
a problem? was he coming toward you on the wrong side of the road?

He was in my lane, going in my direction. The problem was he was in
the middle of my lane and I couldn't veer into the oncoming lane
because of an oncoming vehicle. I was *going* to veer into the other
lane but thankfully I didn't (blind corner).
I dunno, you've lost me a bit here if you can't see the problem?


The problem is, regardless of the inconvenience of it a cyclist has
every right to cycle in the middle of the lane and unless the law is
changed it is one of the things up with which we must put, like wombats,
tractors,and any other slow moving things,that is why emphasis is put on
the dangers of blind curves.


OOPS,Apparently some jurisdictions state that you must keep to the left
when practicable on a bicycle.


Naturally. Why in the blue **** would some juridictions allow cyclists
to sit in the middle of the lane?


Most jurisdictions have a rider, "if practicable"which would cover many
things.
They are allowed if they have a reason.which may be a number of things
including bad surface at the edge etc,If there are two bicycles side by
side at least one would be at the centre.


Side by side?

It would also seem strange that it seem that motor cycles do not have to
keep to the left when cars and bicycles are supposed to.


To me, the reason for that (and I AM assuming here) is that
motorcycles can keep up with the flow of traffic whereas a bicycle
generally cannot.
  #48  
Old May 15th 15, 10:43 PM posted to aus.legal,aus.bicycle
Jeßus[_3_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 12
Default Talkback one eyed lunatics.

On Fri, 15 May 2015 20:45:48 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

Jeßus wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2015 10:40:21 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

Jeßus wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2015 18:33:45 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

Jeßus wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2015 17:17:33 +1000, "Pelican"
wrote:



"Jeßus" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 May 2015 15:28:49 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

I do not know If any one has heard 2UE afternoon talkback, think his
name is Justin smith,on the subject of bicycle rider registration, he
seems manic on the subject and howls down anyone who has an opposite
view to his, he seems to have the opinion that it is a foregone
conclusion that we will have rider registration by the end of the year.
He seems to have Duncan Gay (roads minister)on his side.
He also has the opinion that bicycle ordinations should not be allowed
representation at the soon to be,round table group on the subject with
Duncan Gay because "they are going to say no to everything".
His idea is registration of rider not bicycle with mandated fluoro
jackets with number on the back.

We would then be the only place in the world with it.
It would almost mean the death knell for cycle riding.

You might find a lot of people celebrating if that comes to pass.
I know I certainly would be. I recently fitted cameras to all my
vehicles, specifically because of lycra wearig cyclists who think
theyre entitled to do whatever they please on country roads.

The next rider who makes me choose between hitting him/her, or another
innocent vehicle, or the roadside verge, is going to have a very bad
day.

Even if every rider was a suicidal ****wit, you should not be in a situation
of making such a choice.

I shouldn't be, as you say. The last incident that compelled me to
install cameras was extremely dangerous and almost caused a head on
collision with an oncoming car. Not only was the rider unapologetic,
he fully denied being dead centre of my lane (even though he was,
hence the cameras now)... this was on a tight bend, on a country road
with barriers/rails on the LHS and a cutting to the right (oncoming
car anyway so that wasn't an option either). That rider is very lucky
to still be here.

After 10 years living in the Sunshine Coast hinterland and now N.E Tas
- both places very popular with riders - I've lost pretty much all
tolerance for them. Too many incidents and far too consistently for my
liking.


You have me puzzled, why would a rider being dead centre of a lane cause
a problem? was he coming toward you on the wrong side of the road?

He was in my lane, going in my direction. The problem was he was in
the middle of my lane and I couldn't veer into the oncoming lane
because of an oncoming vehicle. I was *going* to veer into the other
lane but thankfully I didn't (blind corner).
I dunno, you've lost me a bit here if you can't see the problem?


The problem is, regardless of the inconvenience of it a cyclist has
every right to cycle in the middle of the lane


Umm, Jesus. Where do I start here with this?

1: They are NOT permitted to be in the middle of the lane (Where in
the hell are you getting that from?). They are required to keep as
close to the left of the lane as is possible.


Which may be the centre in some cases.


I don't care about 'some cases'.



2: You describe a life threatening situation as an 'inconvenience'.
Are you just trolling these days?


and unless the law is
changed it is one of the things up with which we must put, like wombats,
tractors,and any other slow moving things,that is why emphasis is put on
the dangers of blind curves.


Mate, you're not well.

  #50  
Old May 16th 15, 01:30 AM posted to aus.legal,aus.bicycle
F Murtz[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 193
Default Talkback one eyed lunatics.

Jeßus wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2015 20:44:25 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

Jeßus wrote:
On Fri, 15 May 2015 11:01:45 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

F Murtz wrote:
Jeßus wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2015 18:33:45 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

Jeßus wrote:
On Thu, 14 May 2015 17:17:33 +1000, "Pelican"
wrote:



"Jeßus" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 14 May 2015 15:28:49 +1000, F Murtz
wrote:

I do not know If any one has heard 2UE afternoon talkback, think his
name is Justin smith,on the subject of bicycle rider
registration, he
seems manic on the subject and howls down anyone who has an opposite
view to his, he seems to have the opinion that it is a foregone
conclusion that we will have rider registration by the end of the
year.
He seems to have Duncan Gay (roads minister)on his side.
He also has the opinion that bicycle ordinations should not be
allowed
representation at the soon to be,round table group on the subject
with
Duncan Gay because "they are going to say no to everything".
His idea is registration of rider not bicycle with mandated fluoro
jackets with number on the back.

We would then be the only place in the world with it.
It would almost mean the death knell for cycle riding.

You might find a lot of people celebrating if that comes to pass.
I know I certainly would be. I recently fitted cameras to all my
vehicles, specifically because of lycra wearig cyclists who think
theyre entitled to do whatever they please on country roads.

The next rider who makes me choose between hitting him/her, or
another
innocent vehicle, or the roadside verge, is going to have a very bad
day.

Even if every rider was a suicidal ****wit, you should not be in a
situation
of making such a choice.

I shouldn't be, as you say. The last incident that compelled me to
install cameras was extremely dangerous and almost caused a head on
collision with an oncoming car. Not only was the rider unapologetic,
he fully denied being dead centre of my lane (even though he was,
hence the cameras now)... this was on a tight bend, on a country road
with barriers/rails on the LHS and a cutting to the right (oncoming
car anyway so that wasn't an option either). That rider is very lucky
to still be here.

After 10 years living in the Sunshine Coast hinterland and now N.E Tas
- both places very popular with riders - I've lost pretty much all
tolerance for them. Too many incidents and far too consistently for my
liking.


You have me puzzled, why would a rider being dead centre of a lane cause
a problem? was he coming toward you on the wrong side of the road?

He was in my lane, going in my direction. The problem was he was in
the middle of my lane and I couldn't veer into the oncoming lane
because of an oncoming vehicle. I was *going* to veer into the other
lane but thankfully I didn't (blind corner).
I dunno, you've lost me a bit here if you can't see the problem?


The problem is, regardless of the inconvenience of it a cyclist has
every right to cycle in the middle of the lane and unless the law is
changed it is one of the things up with which we must put, like wombats,
tractors,and any other slow moving things,that is why emphasis is put on
the dangers of blind curves.


OOPS,Apparently some jurisdictions state that you must keep to the left
when practicable on a bicycle.

Naturally. Why in the blue **** would some juridictions allow cyclists
to sit in the middle of the lane?


Most jurisdictions have a rider, "if practicable"which would cover many
things.
They are allowed if they have a reason.which may be a number of things
including bad surface at the edge etc,If there are two bicycles side by
side at least one would be at the centre.


Side by side?


I think you will find that the law allows that.

It would also seem strange that it seem that motor cycles do not have to
keep to the left when cars and bicycles are supposed to.


To me, the reason for that (and I AM assuming here) is that
motorcycles can keep up with the flow of traffic whereas a bicycle
generally cannot.


I think that that it was not to do with speed but the practicable bit.
Zebee Johnstone touched on it in an earlier post where she said,


"The reason it doesn't apply to motorcyclists is due to some court
cases about safety and the meaning of the word practicable. (I was
involved in motorcycle lobbying in SA at the time the SA law was
changed before the national road rules came in and helped with the
defence of one of the riders.)

I expect that should a cyclist be prosecuted for it they'll be playng
the practical card.

I certainly take the lane when it is not safe to stay left such as in
a lane too narrow for safe passing and with no escape route for me if
a car does crowd me."



 




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