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Old July 8th 03, 08:42 PM
bruce edge
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I picked up a couple of Gazz 2.1 duals on ebay. I figured they were a bit
skinny but I wanted to try them and the price was right.
I was not at all ready for what happened next.

These things grab everything they touch. First few miles there's a U
shaped channel for a trail. I was used to sorta bouncing off the sides
like a pachinko ball. Not with these things. Any brush with the wall of
the groove would grab hold and lob you out of the well worn groove into
the weeds (8 foot high thistles, youch).
They go exactly where you point them, there is no slop in their
steering at all.
I suppose if I were a better rider that would be a good thing, but for me, they
made my nice stable joker into a nervous twitchy hyperactive oversteering mess.

I shelved them that same day. Let my friend try them on his ID and he
couldn't say enough good things about them. We're both pretty even speed
and bike handling wise, so I'm at a loss as to why they worked so well for
him.

Is it a matter of
wrong tire for the Joker's geometry
or
expert tire for non-expert rider

For the record I'm much happier with a 2.35 kujo or a 2.4 intense up front.

-Bruce
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Old July 8th 03, 09:58 PM
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I picked up a couple of Gazz 2.1 duals on ebay. I figured they were a bit
skinny but I wanted to try them and the price was right.
I was not at all ready for what happened next.

These things grab everything they touch. First few miles there's a U
shaped channel for a trail. I was used to sorta bouncing off the sides
like a pachinko ball. Not with these things. Any brush with the wall of
the groove would grab hold and lob you out of the well worn groove into
the weeds (8 foot high thistles, youch).
They go exactly where you point them, there is no slop in their
steering at all.
I suppose if I were a better rider that would be a good thing, but for me, they
made my nice stable joker into a nervous twitchy hyperactive oversteering mess.

I shelved them that same day. Let my friend try them on his ID and he
couldn't say enough good things about them. We're both pretty even speed
and bike handling wise, so I'm at a loss as to why they worked so well for
him.

Is it a matter of
wrong tire for the Joker's geometry
or
expert tire for non-expert rider

For the record I'm much happier with a 2.35 kujo or a 2.4 intense up front.

-Bruce


I had a similar experience with some other tires that were recommended. I hated them, gave them to a friend and he really liked
them. Just different tastes for different riders/styles.....then again my friend kicks my ass in riding ?!?!? ;^ (

When are you going to bring your Joker up to Big Bear for some real testing?
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Slacker


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Old July 8th 03, 10:56 PM
bruce edge
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On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 13:58:58 -0700, Slacker wrote:

When are you going to bring your Joker up to Big Bear for some real
testing? --
Slacker


Sounds like a blast. I really want to. Not anytime soon though.
I'm in a "everyone works 12 hrs 7 days a week" mode at
work right now.
I can only squeeze in morning rides by getting up at 4:30.
Who needs sleep :-)
Our Beta ships end of Aug, so after that, I'm game.

-Bruce


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Old July 9th 03, 02:31 AM
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When are you going to bring your Joker up to Big Bear for some real
testing? --
Slacker


Sounds like a blast. I really want to. Not anytime soon though.
I'm in a "everyone works 12 hrs 7 days a week" mode at
work right now.
I can only squeeze in morning rides by getting up at 4:30.
Who needs sleep :-)
Our Beta ships end of Aug, so after that, I'm game.

-Bruce



Man, that's hardcore. My work told me no vacations between Aug thru Sept but at least I still have weekends open.

One of my riding buddies and I had Big Bear to ourselves yesterday with the exception of one other Dh'er that showed up a couple
hours after the mountain opened :^ ) Too much fun!
--
Slacker


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Old July 9th 03, 02:46 AM
bruce edge
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On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 18:31:00 -0700, Slacker wrote:

When are you going to bring your Joker up to Big Bear for some real
testing? --
Slacker


Sounds like a blast. I really want to. Not anytime soon though. I'm in a
"everyone works 12 hrs 7 days a week" mode at work right now.
I can only squeeze in morning rides by getting up at 4:30. Who needs
sleep :-)
Our Beta ships end of Aug, so after that, I'm game.

-Bruce



Man, that's hardcore. My work told me no vacations between Aug thru Sept
but at least I still have weekends open.

One of my riding buddies and I had Big Bear to ourselves yesterday with
the exception of one other Dh'er that showed up a couple hours after the
mountain opened :^ ) Too much fun! --
Slacker


It's not so bad.
Kanan 3rd tunnel, 5:30 AM tomorrow, backbone to Corral Cyn, then back out
to encinal. 20 miles of singletrack before work.
I really like the early AM rides. No heat, minimal bugs, 'xcept for all
the webs you eat, and the trails to yourself. There's 3 of us on this
schedule, the perfect size group.
Although if anyone else has insomnia, feel free....

-Bruce

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Old July 9th 03, 11:59 AM
Shaun Rimmer
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bruce edge wrote in message
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I picked up a couple of Gazz 2.1 duals on ebay.


',;~}~

I figured they were a bit
skinny but I wanted to try them and the price was right.
I was not at all ready for what happened next.


',;~}~

These things grab everything they touch.


',;~}~

First few miles there's a U
shaped channel for a trail. I was used to sorta bouncing off the sides
like a pachinko ball. Not with these things. Any brush with the wall of
the groove would grab hold and lob you out of the well worn groove into
the weeds (8 foot high thistles, youch).
They go exactly where you point them, there is no slop in their
steering at all.


',;~}~

Now immagine the Gazz 2.6...heheheheh..............ahem.

',;~}~

I suppose if I were a better rider that would be a good thing, but for me,

they
made my nice stable joker into a nervous twitchy hyperactive oversteering

mess.

No - sounds like _you_ were oversteering - throwback to compensating for
tyres that 'understeer' (that is 'don't grip well')...

I don't think it has anything to do with your skill level. Immagine going
straight from cheap roadie sidepull brakes to 8" DH hydro disc brakes.
Likely the first time you went over the bars, you'd swap back to the side
pulls.

I shelved them that same day. Let my friend try them on his ID and he
couldn't say enough good things about them. We're both pretty even speed
and bike handling wise, so I'm at a loss as to why they worked so well for
him.


I think you should have given yourself time to get used to the fact that the
Gazz's, in whatever size, are an excellent gripping tyre. I think you would
have soon enough come to love them and their predictable surefootedness.

My last bike came with these Vuelta tyres, small soft square knobs. There is
a short bermed 'BMX' track near where I was living at the time. I used to
take that bike down there, and those tyres were quite good on those big,
high sided smooth, dusty berms, but they slid. They did for the most part
slide predictably, and I got used to it.

First time I hit that track with the Gazz 2.3's on that bike, they bit and I
high sided right over the berm.

I went back the day after and rode around it slowly a few times. After that,
I could rip around those corners like I'd only dreamed of with the Vuelta
tyres, no sliding at all, predictable or otherwise - loverly! ',;~}~

Oh, and they bite a fast corner like a hungry pitbull bites a meat lunch.

Is it a matter of
wrong tire for the Joker's geometry
or
expert tire for non-expert rider


No, 'IMNSHO', it's as I said above, you just weren't used to those tyres,
and they behaved much better than you were expecting or prepared for. I
strongly believe that time would have had you loving them.

I don't keep singing the praises of the Nokian Gazzaloddi tyres for no good
reason.

For the record I'm much happier with a 2.35 kujo or a 2.4 intense up

front.

Heh......heh......heheheheheheh.............

I think you should steal them back off him and give them some honest hours.

Shaun aRe - ',;~}~ Heheheheheh........



 




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