No Right Turn on Red

I assume that the "No Right Turn on Red" signs that occasionally appear
on corners apply to cyclists (as well as cars). Seems a bit pointless
if there is a bicycle lane on the road to which access is controlled.
Once stopped, a cyclist could dismount, hence becoming a pedestrain,
turn the bike 90 degrees, remount, and now legally a bicyclist, continue
in the desired direction.


--
Joe Riel

assume we can assemble n obit list for cyclists forcing the issue here...

dismount then sort the situation, plan, savor the scene: no sense in pretending as a motorcyclist

http://goo.gl/GuBVtP

http://goo.gl/kCd19u

our favorite and most impassable

http://goo.gl/N1j9z0

almost always on the road with the IC....let them go first.

On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 9:18:29 PM UTC-5, wrote:
assume we can assemble n obit list for cyclists forcing the issue here...

dismount then sort the situation, plan, savor the scene: no sense in pretending as a motorcyclist

http://goo.gl/GuBVtP

http://goo.gl/kCd19u

our favorite and most impassable

http://goo.gl/N1j9z0

almost always on the road with the IC....let them go first.

00 00 00 0X

one moah...this one is part of the loop at the end of Spa Bypass. The right only which comes in 3 flavors: right stop, right turn, variations for drunks and mood elevators...suicidal

2 turn lanes into 3 go right lanes

http://goo.gl/61wlpu

http://goo.gl/61wlpu

On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 8:53:17 PM UTC-5, JoeRiel wrote:
I assume that the "No Right Turn on Red" signs that occasionally appear
on corners apply to cyclists (as well as cars). Seems a bit pointless
if there is a bicycle lane on the road to which access is controlled.
Once stopped, a cyclist could dismount, hence becoming a pedestrain,
turn the bike 90 degrees, remount, and now legally a bicyclist, continue
in the desired direction.

In my state, a bicycle is legally a vehicle. Since the law in question isn't
limited to motor vehicles, it does apply to bikes.

But you're right, the work-around would be easy enough to make the prohibition
pointless. Even more so if there are two bike lanes involved.

FWIW, one of my most common to-the-store-and-back routes features a T
intersection with no right turn on red into the stem of the T, which is the
way I'm normally going. I think the reason is that there are lots of
pedestrians, including school kids, who use that intersection.

I actually do sit out the red instead of turning. It feels a bit silly, but
I figure I'm demonstrating that some bicyclists, anyway, do obey traffic
laws. And I'm a very well known cyclist in this community, which makes
staying legal even more important to me.

- Frank Krygowski

Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 8:53:17 PM UTC-5, JoeRiel wrote:
I assume that the "No Right Turn on Red" signs that occasionally appear
on corners apply to cyclists (as well as cars). Seems a bit pointless
if there is a bicycle lane on the road to which access is controlled.
Once stopped, a cyclist could dismount, hence becoming a pedestrain,
turn the bike 90 degrees, remount, and now legally a bicyclist, continue
in the desired direction.

In my state, a bicycle is legally a vehicle. Since the law in question isn't
limited to motor vehicles, it does apply to bikes.

But you're right, the work-around would be easy enough to make the prohibition
pointless. Even more so if there are two bike lanes involved.

FWIW, one of my most common to-the-store-and-back routes features a T
intersection with no right turn on red into the stem of the T, which is the
way I'm normally going. I think the reason is that there are lots of
pedestrians, including school kids, who use that intersection.

I actually do sit out the red instead of turning. It feels a bit silly, but
I figure I'm demonstrating that some bicyclists, anyway, do obey traffic
laws. And I'm a very well known cyclist in this community, which makes
staying legal even more important to me.

- Frank Krygowski

There are two intersections on my commute (one heading in and one going
back) where there is a T-shaped intersection with the bike lane going
across the top of the T. I used to ride through that intersection
regardless of the colour of the light on the assumption that no matter what
colour the light was, nobody was crossing my lane. Then one day a fellow
drove his car up the T and into his driveway. Dang...

On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 17:53:13 -0800, Joe Riel wrote:

I assume that the "No Right Turn on Red" signs that occasionally appear
on corners apply to cyclists (as well as cars). Seems a bit pointless
if there is a bicycle lane on the road to which access is controlled.
Once stopped, a cyclist could dismount, hence becoming a pedestrain,
turn the bike 90 degrees, remount, and now legally a bicyclist, continue
in the desired direction.
And that is the LEGAL way to do it if there is a "no right turns on
red" sign. Bicycles, while on the road, are vehicles subject to all
"rules of the road".

On 3/8/2015 12:15 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 17:53:13 -0800, Joe Riel wrote:

I assume that the "No Right Turn on Red" signs that occasionally appear
on corners apply to cyclists (as well as cars). Seems a bit pointless
if there is a bicycle lane on the road to which access is controlled.
Once stopped, a cyclist could dismount, hence becoming a pedestrain,
turn the bike 90 degrees, remount, and now legally a bicyclist, continue
in the desired direction.
And that is the LEGAL way to do it if there is a "no right turns on
red" sign. Bicycles, while on the road, are vehicles subject to all
"rules of the road".

While I don't like the idea of becoming a pedestrian when convenient, it
is often necessary. On one route to school, cyclists are never be able
to cross one key street unless they either become a pedestrian or wait
for a pedestrian. Vehicles taking the same route appreciate the
pedestrians because they stop traffic so they can proceed as well. They
need a stop sign there, though only during 7-9 a.m. and 2:30-3:30 p.m..

oooooooooooo_

While I don't like the idea of becoming a pedestrian when convenient

bad attitude

minus 4 zillion pts

write a request with photo to the commissioners and ask for the state to look at getting in a stop sign

Joe Riel wrote:
I assume that the "No Right Turn on Red" signs that occasionally appear
on corners apply to cyclists (as well as cars). Seems a bit pointless
if there is a bicycle lane on the road to which access is controlled.
Once stopped, a cyclist could dismount, hence becoming a pedestrain,
turn the bike 90 degrees, remount, and now legally a bicyclist, continue
in the desired direction.

Like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHtCNhABlLw

--
K.

Lang may your lum reek.

we play

15 Minutes of NO RIGHT TURN ON RED

following a 30 minute jam of 100 MORE MILES TOO BRISTOL....