California a deadly place to ride...

On Mar 12, 7:24*am, Crescentius Vespasianus
wrote:
With the California mindset that
everything is ok, just so there is an
apology afterwards. *Deputy James
Council, had a DUI, but got off with a
plea deal because he said he was sorry.
* Now that he has killed two cyclists,
again he says he's all torn up and
devastated. *So they'll let him off again.

Some stats from the SF Chronicle:

According to the CHP statistics, 179 Bay
Area bicyclists have been killed and
25,715 injured in bicycle collisions
with cars between 1997 and 2006.

* Santa Clara County was the deadliest
place for Bay Area bicyclists over the
past decade, according to the CHP data,
which is collected from local police and
sheriff's departments. A total of 44
bicyclists were killed during the 10
years. Alameda County had the second
highest total of fatal bicycle
collisions with 29

Santa Clara County also had the most
bicycle injuries - 6,888. Alameda County
followed with 5,803, and San Francisco
was third with 3,165.
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Text messaging, and cell phone use is
excessive also in California, with
non-existent laws that make killing
cyclists a sport. *Wild horses couldn't
drag me to ride in California.

Hope they did a tox. screen on the Officer, like they do for any
civilians who kill somebody with their car, who fell asleep 4 hours
into his shift.

Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote:

Hope they did a tox. screen on the Officer, like they do for any
civilians who kill somebody with their car, who fell asleep 4 hours
into his shift.

The CHP did not do one and they turned the officer over to the sheriff.
The sheriff's department claims they routinely do one on their own
employees after this kind of event. The DA will be prosecuting. I
don't know if the sheriff will turn over the test results to the DA. I
suspect the DA will prosecute both the department and the individual.

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 05:54:25 -0700 (PDT), "Qui si parla
Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" wrote:

Hope they did a tox. screen on the Officer, like they do for any
civilians who kill somebody with their car, who fell asleep 4 hours
into his shift.

Dear Peter,

This is a depressing thread, but it's nice to see a post from you.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

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SMS wrote:

On Mar 12, 7:24*am, Crescentius Vespasianus
wrote:
With the California mindset that everything is ok, just so there is
an apology afterwards. *Deputy James Council, had a DUI, but got
off with a plea deal because he said he was sorry. * Now that he
has killed two cyclists, again he says he's all torn up and
devastated. *So they'll let him off again.

One big problem is cities that decide to not have a police force, and
instead contract out law enforcement to the county sheriff, as is the
case in Cupertino, and the neighboring city of Saratoga. An
experienced, professional, police department would not have allowed
this person to become a police officer.

I wanted to speak about this at the Cupertino city council meeting
following the tragedy, but I am in Taiwan at the Taipei Cycle show,
so I plan to speak about it next time. There was one candidate for
city council that recognized the problem, and he was subjected to a
vicious campaign attack by the elected sheriff. The council just
doesn't want to hear about a problem that would cost them significant
bucks to solve.

Keeping taxes down is more important than having competent public
services. Get with the program!

"Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" wrote:
Hope they did a tox. screen on the Officer, like they do for any
civilians who kill somebody with their car, who fell asleep 4 hours
into his shift.

wrote:
This is a depressing thread, but it's nice to see a post from you.

Sure, circling the wagons of your dreaded Colorado cabal?
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Mar 14, 11:57*am, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 05:54:25 -0700 (PDT), "Qui si parla

Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" wrote:
Hope they did a tox. screen on the Officer, like they do for any
civilians who kill somebody with their car, who fell asleep 4 hours
into his shift.

Dear Peter,

This is a depressing thread, but it's nice to see a post from you.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

I 'lurk', and as somebody who was run over by somebody who fell asleep
at 1030 AM, and didn't get tested, I'll follow this.

'dreaded Colorado cabal'..you crack me up Andy...

cops are human.
like cops are loke uh you know bully thugs.
One Prof I knew, a DC vet, delighted in telling us PA's local cops
were 5/6 out of 10 borderline pathologically violent and dangerous
people. Like you know uh one step from the nut house.

but professionally speaking, outside of NYC, LA and that hole in NM,
surly the cops driving habits are waaaayy above everyone else.

I'm not sure why I read of an RBT lynch mob for the current killer
cop.

My sympathies on the cabal.

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:59:56 -0600, A Muzi
wrote:

"Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" wrote:
Hope they did a tox. screen on the Officer, like they do for any
civilians who kill somebody with their car, who fell asleep 4 hours
into his shift.

wrote:
This is a depressing thread, but it's nice to see a post from you.

Sure, circling the wagons of your dreaded Colorado cabal?

Dear Andrew,

DCC circled-wagon t-shirts for sale soon at Vecchio's!

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

This is a depressing thread, ...


A lot of the OP's thread starting posts seem that way. Recent titles:

We've been fooling ourselves...
Brain drain at rbt
When do you know it's over?

I'm going for the tissues now.

California Tour Books eg
Road Biking Northern California, 3rd (Road Biking Series) by John
Nagiecki
alert the rider to road danger as often as say Colorado guides
but the Cal guides add substanstially more human guiding than other
area's guides
but not as much as say Nebraska where...