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Old February 19th 14, 06:09 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2/19/2014 10:31 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 18:35:31 +0700, John B.
wrote:

Sort of like the "air bags" that I believe western cars have built
into them? It ain't really "air" in those bags unless "air" can be
generated by an explosive charge :-)


The term "gas bag" would probably have been politically incorrect and
could have had a detrimental effect on consumer acceptance. In
western countries, it is perfectly acceptable to lie, distort,
exaggerate, mislead, and otherwise mutilate technical descriptions, so
as not to confuse the consumer with technically accurate facts. This
is why it's called a "seat belt", which neither protects ones seat nor
operates like a common trouser belt, and not an "impact safety
harness", which would be more technically accurate. Careful what you
wish for as you may find yourself riding around on a "human powered
single track rotary motion transportation device" instead of a
"bicycle".


On that note, many measurements of degraded awareness and
reaction times clearly show that talking on a telephone or
talking on a hands free telephone are virtually the same for
car drivers or car simulator drivers and dramatically
different from their undistracted performances.

Legislators however will not touch a telephone ban so we get
the pointless 'hands free' thing which cleverly looks like
action while sidestepping the problem.

One of many items:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...while-driving/

Humans are endlessly entertaining, yes?

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Old February 19th 14, 06:45 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 6:35:31 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:


Sort of like the "air bags" that I believe western cars have built
into them? It ain't really "air" in those bags unless "air" can be
generated by an explosive charge :-)


I recently came across an old flyer explaining in detail how not to get
killed by one's "air bags" (or "in car explosive devices"). It hinged
on always being sure your seat belt is fastened. Oh, and never, ever
getting into a crash while being within 10" of the air bag. (Plan ahead!)

I've read that the main "safety" benefit of air bags has been from
convincing people that they MUST fasten the seat belt, so the bomb
in the steering wheel doesn't kill them. Every car sold in the U.S.
comes with such warnings.

It still seems it would have been cheaper and more effective
to use a steering wheel spike.

- Frank Krygowski
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Old February 19th 14, 07:56 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2/19/2014 11:45 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 6:35:31 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:


Sort of like the "air bags" that I believe western cars have built
into them? It ain't really "air" in those bags unless "air" can be
generated by an explosive charge :-)


I recently came across an old flyer explaining in detail how not to get
killed by one's "air bags" (or "in car explosive devices"). It hinged
on always being sure your seat belt is fastened. Oh, and never, ever
getting into a crash while being within 10" of the air bag. (Plan ahead!)

I've read that the main "safety" benefit of air bags has been from
convincing people that they MUST fasten the seat belt, so the bomb
in the steering wheel doesn't kill them. Every car sold in the U.S.
comes with such warnings.

It still seems it would have been cheaper and more effective
to use a steering wheel spike.

- Frank Krygowski


You reminded me of a print shop where I saw this sign:

PLAN AHEA
d

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Old February 19th 14, 08:27 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:09:39 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

On that note, many measurements of degraded awareness and
reaction times clearly show that talking on a telephone or
talking on a hands free telephone are virtually the same for
car drivers or car simulator drivers and dramatically
different from their undistracted performances.


Unfortunately, I'm in another class of talking on the radio users that
seem to be a legislative borderline case. I'm a ham radio operating
and I like to talk on the radio while driving. I've been doing this
since about 1966 without even a suggestion of trouble. I use both a
mobile radio, with speaker and coil cord attached microphone, as well
as walkie talkies of varying size and style. To the best of my
knowledge, none of the local hams has ever had an auto accident
attributable to distracted driving due to ham radio. The same can be
said of other means of 2-way mobile radio communications used by
public safety and various business dispatch services.

So, what's the difference? 2-way radio uses a simplex or half-duplex
method of conversation, where you can talk or listen, but only one at
a time. Cellular is full duplex, where you can do both at the same
time. My theory and guess(tm) is that most people cannot handle full
duplex conversations, that requires them to talk and listen at the
same time, but have little difficulty doing them one at a time. I've
done zero research on the topic, but if proven to be true, the
solution would be simply to program the cell phone to operate in half
duplex or PTT (push to talk) mode, thereby simulating a 2-way radio
conversation. This would make a dandy research project if someone
wants to pursue it.

Legislators however will not touch a telephone ban so we get
the pointless 'hands free' thing which cleverly looks like
action while sidestepping the problem.


Well, as one of the few people I know to have received a rather
expensive ticket for driving and talking on a cell phone without the
alleged benefits of a BlueGoof headset, I can testify that the revenue
enhancement provisions of the law are fully functional. The story of
why I received the ticket is rather interesting, although it has
nothing to do with bicycles. Details on request.

One of many items:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...while-driving/


Texting is another story. It would not take much technology to
program the MEMS accelerometer in the phone to not allow texting while
the phone is moving.

Humans are endlessly entertaining, yes?


Legislators would also be entertaining except they cost me far too
much time and money.

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Old February 20th 14, 01:05 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Lieb has a talk ticket ?????/eyeyyehahhahhah

the Morons giving me trap ticket in Mobville....now flooding.....tried pinning one in for using a 17" GPS screen.

While many people go thru life disarticulating, we may theorize in our society an increase in dullusional mental processes esp while speaking.

OTOTH In the environs, I disinfrequent, the 'HI am here where are you' walkie talkie position on foot has dis-apped prob due to rates.

Talk became TALK TV you are ON DUDE...the Pust office is an exampull.

work this in.


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Old February 20th 14, 01:55 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 09:45:18 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 6:35:31 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:


Sort of like the "air bags" that I believe western cars have built
into them? It ain't really "air" in those bags unless "air" can be
generated by an explosive charge :-)


I recently came across an old flyer explaining in detail how not to get
killed by one's "air bags" (or "in car explosive devices"). It hinged
on always being sure your seat belt is fastened. Oh, and never, ever
getting into a crash while being within 10" of the air bag. (Plan ahead!)

I've read that the main "safety" benefit of air bags has been from
convincing people that they MUST fasten the seat belt, so the bomb
in the steering wheel doesn't kill them. Every car sold in the U.S.
comes with such warnings.

It still seems it would have been cheaper and more effective
to use a steering wheel spike.

- Frank Krygowski


Given that the basic cause for global warming is too many people it
would seem that a start on the problem would be to remove these
"safety" devices from automobiles.

Perhaps a government sponsored program. "Help with solving global
warming. Drive without a seat belt" :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.
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Old February 20th 14, 01:55 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:09:39 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

On 2/19/2014 10:31 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 18:35:31 +0700, John B.
wrote:

Sort of like the "air bags" that I believe western cars have built
into them? It ain't really "air" in those bags unless "air" can be
generated by an explosive charge :-)


The term "gas bag" would probably have been politically incorrect and
could have had a detrimental effect on consumer acceptance. In
western countries, it is perfectly acceptable to lie, distort,
exaggerate, mislead, and otherwise mutilate technical descriptions, so
as not to confuse the consumer with technically accurate facts. This
is why it's called a "seat belt", which neither protects ones seat nor
operates like a common trouser belt, and not an "impact safety
harness", which would be more technically accurate. Careful what you
wish for as you may find yourself riding around on a "human powered
single track rotary motion transportation device" instead of a
"bicycle".


On that note, many measurements of degraded awareness and
reaction times clearly show that talking on a telephone or
talking on a hands free telephone are virtually the same for
car drivers or car simulator drivers and dramatically
different from their undistracted performances.

Legislators however will not touch a telephone ban so we get
the pointless 'hands free' thing which cleverly looks like
action while sidestepping the problem.

One of many items:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...while-driving/

Humans are endlessly entertaining, yes?


I've read several studies that demonstrated that just about anything
you do with a cell phone results in decreased attention paid to the
major subject of directing the auto down the road in a more or less
safe manner.

Although the hands free thingee does tend to be the better of the two
choices as decreeing that even though your phone is ringing you will
not answer it is likely to be futile.

But, I'm not sure that advocating that the government rule by force,
even when it is for the public's benefit, is the answer either. After
all the ultimate solution to the problem of "bicycle deaths" that I
hear so loudly lamented, is to simply ban the sale or use of bicycles.
I'm sure that a mandatory penalty of, say a $1,000 fine and a year in
prison for the sale or use of a bicycle would essentially eliminate
bicycle deaths.
--
Cheers,

John B.
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Old February 20th 14, 01:55 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:27:30 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 11:09:39 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

On that note, many measurements of degraded awareness and
reaction times clearly show that talking on a telephone or
talking on a hands free telephone are virtually the same for
car drivers or car simulator drivers and dramatically
different from their undistracted performances.


Unfortunately, I'm in another class of talking on the radio users that
seem to be a legislative borderline case. I'm a ham radio operating
and I like to talk on the radio while driving. I've been doing this
since about 1966 without even a suggestion of trouble. I use both a
mobile radio, with speaker and coil cord attached microphone, as well
as walkie talkies of varying size and style. To the best of my
knowledge, none of the local hams has ever had an auto accident
attributable to distracted driving due to ham radio. The same can be
said of other means of 2-way mobile radio communications used by
public safety and various business dispatch services.

I suspect that the answer you your thesis is that the number of Hams
who are riding around talking on the radio is insufficient to make a
dent in the statistics. Even when I was a practicing Ham and paid
attention it was a very rare instance when I noted a ham radio antenna
on an automobile.

So, what's the difference? 2-way radio uses a simplex or half-duplex
method of conversation, where you can talk or listen, but only one at
a time. Cellular is full duplex, where you can do both at the same
time. My theory and guess(tm) is that most people cannot handle full
duplex conversations, that requires them to talk and listen at the
same time, but have little difficulty doing them one at a time. I've
done zero research on the topic, but if proven to be true, the
solution would be simply to program the cell phone to operate in half
duplex or PTT (push to talk) mode, thereby simulating a 2-way radio
conversation. This would make a dandy research project if someone
wants to pursue it.


Legislators however will not touch a telephone ban so we get
the pointless 'hands free' thing which cleverly looks like
action while sidestepping the problem.


Well, as one of the few people I know to have received a rather
expensive ticket for driving and talking on a cell phone without the
alleged benefits of a BlueGoof headset, I can testify that the revenue
enhancement provisions of the law are fully functional. The story of
why I received the ticket is rather interesting, although it has
nothing to do with bicycles. Details on request.


Maybe we should eliminate the financial penalties, after all
historically penalties were usually non-financial, perhaps because
money was less common. For example, the penalty for stealing once was,
and is today in some places, branding on the cheek, or loss of a hand.
We could decree that the penalty for talking on a hand phone while
driving would be loss of an ear for the first instance. Maybe a nose
for the second and so on. Simply remove that nasty lucre from the
legal equation.

One of many items:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...while-driving/


Texting is another story. It would not take much technology to
program the MEMS accelerometer in the phone to not allow texting while
the phone is moving.

Humans are endlessly entertaining, yes?


Legislators would also be entertaining except they cost me far too
much time and money.

--
Cheers,

John B.
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Old February 20th 14, 12:37 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 03:14:39 +0000, Phil W Lee
wrote:

John B. considered Thu, 20 Feb 2014 07:55:19
+0700 the perfect time to write:

On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 09:45:18 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 6:35:31 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:


Sort of like the "air bags" that I believe western cars have built
into them? It ain't really "air" in those bags unless "air" can be
generated by an explosive charge :-)

I recently came across an old flyer explaining in detail how not to get
killed by one's "air bags" (or "in car explosive devices"). It hinged
on always being sure your seat belt is fastened. Oh, and never, ever
getting into a crash while being within 10" of the air bag. (Plan ahead!)

I've read that the main "safety" benefit of air bags has been from
convincing people that they MUST fasten the seat belt, so the bomb
in the steering wheel doesn't kill them. Every car sold in the U.S.
comes with such warnings.

It still seems it would have been cheaper and more effective
to use a steering wheel spike.

- Frank Krygowski


Given that the basic cause for global warming is too many people it
would seem that a start on the problem would be to remove these
"safety" devices from automobiles.

Perhaps a government sponsored program. "Help with solving global
warming. Drive without a seat belt" :-)


Doesn't remove the desirability of the spike though.
Just think how careful drivers would become once it became known that
even having a cyclist bounce off your windscreen could impale you on
one of those!


Ah, you forget the ingenuities of American youth... A quick twist and
jerk and the spike is off. Another lick or two and it can be remounted
as an anti personnel device on the right end of the "bumper"

(bumper is in quotation marks as I'm not sure they have those any more
:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.
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Old February 20th 14, 01:49 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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ambergris

studies conclude. people are paid for 'conducting' studies or endorph thinking or both. Beneath that level of intelligence there is a large group FOROTO ! untouched by THE FACTS. Here we see the target. eyeyahhhahhahhaha. tar get We'll get a study out on that next week.

Common drivers are physically unaware of the actual perceptual and motor control level necessary for driving...talking or this illustrative TEXTING idiocy as a gross reduction in driving ability and cycle avoidance isnot immediately apparent there.
 




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