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On 26/01/2018 7:35 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
lou.holtman wrote: Black/grey never goes out of fashion. Suicidal teenage girls agree. Black and grey are my favorite "colors" for clothing or bikes. I'm not suicidal, teenage nor female. Not sure what your point is... |
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Duane wrote:
Black and grey are my favorite "colors" for clothing or bikes. The Reaper agrees. Having everything black, e.g. equipment (very common for computer stuff for example) is also detrimental as 1) you get depressed just by looking at it, and 2) it is (more) difficult to find the thing you'd like if everything is the same color. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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On 26/01/2018 9:28 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
Duane wrote: Black and grey are my favorite "colors" for clothing or bikes. The Reaper agrees. You mean relative to cycling? Shorts and bibs are always going to be black for me. http://www.jokelibrary.net/xOtherAto...le-shorts.html Jerseys are colored. And lights when it's dark keep me visible. Having everything black, e.g. equipment (very common for computer stuff for example) is also detrimental as 1) you get depressed just by looking at it, and 2) it is (more) difficult to find the thing you'd like if everything is the same color. Sounds like a personal opinion. What depresses me about computer equipment is working when it's a nice riding day. Not the color. |
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On 1/26/2018 9:28 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
Having everything black, e.g. equipment (very common for computer stuff for example) is also detrimental as 1) you get depressed just by looking at it, and 2) it is (more) difficult to find the thing you'd like if everything is the same color. I'll admit, there's some frustration in having a black suitcase containing a black toiletry kit, a black camera case, a black case for an eReader, etc. But somehow I'm always able to find my bicycles. And the black bike makes me smile as often as the others. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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"Ralph Barone" wrote in message news Ian Field wrote: "Emanuel Berg" wrote in message ... Here Is the BMC Teammachine SLR01 Disc [1] which is an example of what I have seen many times now in the "cycling press", and that is to have the frame in one (and only one) bright color, and then everything else in gray or most often black! Very ugly IMO. Black is the most boring and depressing color which is why kids are afraid of the dark and people wear black at funerals. Motorcycle accident statistics hint that a black motorcycle with rider in black leathers is less likely to get a SMIDSY. Cant remember having seen a black bicycle - so there probably isn't any data. Sure, if the leathers have "Hell's Angels" emblazoned across the back, otherwise I'm not so sure about that factoid. You've probably nailed it - but a motorcyclist can be adequately sinister without being a member of anything. Safety in numbers doesn't always work either - there are clips of motorcyclists out on a run getting rammed by some nutter in a SUV. |
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On 1/26/2018 2:21 PM, Ian Field wrote:
"Ralph Barone" wrote in message news Ian Field wrote: "Emanuel Berg" wrote in message ... Here Is the BMC Teammachine SLR01 Disc [1] which is an example of what I have seen many times now in the "cycling press", and that is to have the frame in one (and only one) bright color, and then everything else in gray or most often black! Very ugly IMO. Black is the most boring and depressing color which is why kids are afraid of the dark and people wear black at funerals. Motorcycle accident statistics hint that a black motorcycle with rider in black leathers is less likely to get a SMIDSY. Cant remember having seen a black bicycle - so there probably isn't any data. Sure, if the leathers have "Hell's Angels" emblazoned across the back, otherwise I'm not so sure about that factoid. You've probably nailed it - but a motorcyclist can be adequately sinister without being a member of anything. Safety in numbers doesn't always work either - there are clips of motorcyclists out on a run getting rammed by some nutter in a SUV. or a group of bicyclists under a pickup: http://www.wzzm13.com/news/local/kal...ists/235907309 or a rental box truck: https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...icle-1.3602094 One of our customers, an old friend, was riding just in front of that mayhem, inches from death. The tourist he had just passed was killed. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 20:21:09 -0000, "Ian Field"
wrote: "Ralph Barone" wrote in message news Ian Field wrote: "Emanuel Berg" wrote in message ... Here Is the BMC Teammachine SLR01 Disc [1] which is an example of what I have seen many times now in the "cycling press", and that is to have the frame in one (and only one) bright color, and then everything else in gray or most often black! Very ugly IMO. Black is the most boring and depressing color which is why kids are afraid of the dark and people wear black at funerals. Motorcycle accident statistics hint that a black motorcycle with rider in black leathers is less likely to get a SMIDSY. Cant remember having seen a black bicycle - so there probably isn't any data. Sure, if the leathers have "Hell's Angels" emblazoned across the back, otherwise I'm not so sure about that factoid. You've probably nailed it - but a motorcyclist can be adequately sinister without being a member of anything. Safety in numbers doesn't always work either - there are clips of motorcyclists out on a run getting rammed by some nutter in a SUV. Numbers don't seem to count any more. The other day we had a motorcycle run smack dab into the side of a train hauling 50 cars. With the expected result. -- Cheers, John B. |
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Duane wrote:
Having everything black, e.g. equipment (very common for computer stuff for example) is also detrimental as 1) you get depressed just by looking at it, and 2) it is (more) difficult to find the thing you'd like if everything is the same color. Sounds like a personal opinion. Well, colors are emotional. Even as a boy I loved colors. Isn't that pretty uncommon? Try take LSD and ride your bike thru a post-industrial area at night. That will be colorful. Actually one can have almost the same effect, at least with respect to the lights, with this method. Take a hot shower with the lights off for ~10m. Then take a cold shower (with the controls to the max cold) for as long as you endure. By swallowing water it will be even colder. Then ride the bike after sunset. Now the lights will look really cool, like oily and flashy. And this effect lasts for hours! (It'll be left as an exercise to figure out how I discovered this method.) Colors are a matter of taste yes but generally speaking there are some general truths. Black makes things look smaller and is depressing, associated with death, fear, and so on. White isn't anything really but makes things look bigger. Red is associated with danger (from fire, and blood perhaps as well). Green is soothing. The human eye is best suited to distinguish differences, nuances, in green - maybe from evolution, looking for food in the jungle? So it makes sense to have many shades of green. Functionally speaking, and many have an eye for this which is also connected to the perception of beauty, I think the direction should be not to have different, adjacent things in the exact same color. This looks wierd. This is why the Swiss bike in the OP looks bad to me. It looks like it is made out of two parts, like a toy or something artificial, not the real thing. What depresses me about computer equipment is working when it's a nice riding day. Not the color. With computers the background should be black to reduce the light that enters your eyes for decoding. Everything else should be colorized according to function to reduce "reading" and increase "seeing": http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/dumps/elisp.png -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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AMuzi wrote:
One of our customers, an old friend, was riding just in front of that mayhem, inches from death. The tourist he had just passed was killed. Cycling sure seem more violent in the US. I don't know what the stats are. In France, I hear that in the process of getting a driver license a not insignificant part is spent on how to respond to cyclists sharing the road. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 |
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On 1/27/2018 12:56 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote:
AMuzi wrote: One of our customers, an old friend, was riding just in front of that mayhem, inches from death. The tourist he had just passed was killed. Cycling sure seem more violent in the US. I don't know what the stats are. Stats vary, but the U.S. risk is very frequently overstated. Very roughly, U.S. cyclists suffer one fatality every 10 million miles of riding. In Britain, it's closer to one fatality in 20 million miles. In Germany, perhaps one per 50 million miles. So yes, the U.S. is more dangerous. But it's really a comparison of one negligible risk against another negligible risk. How long will it take you to ride 10 million miles? Also, those figures are grand averages. We've had posters here who have bragged about riding drunk (or on LSD), riding with no lights at night, using ramps to fly through the air as they enter intersections from sidewalks, etc. Those nut cases are part of the grand average. Competent riders should have much lower risks. We also have many people who are too innumerate to understand the above numbers, or to use them in context. It's not unusual to hear, when giving evidence of negligible risk, "But what if that one person is YOU??" (I've come across this not only with bicycling, but - believe it or not - with the issue of risk from a tree falling when a person walks in a forest! Danger!! Danger!!) The fact is, people are very bad at evaluating a negligible risk of a disastrous outcome. This is why so many are terrified of flying commercial airlines. In France, I hear that in the process of getting a driver license a not insignificant part is spent on how to respond to cyclists sharing the road. There are groups that are trying to improve that component of driving education in America. I'm part of one such group. But as I understand, it's much more difficult overall to get a driver's license in Europe than in the U.S. Here, it really is astonishingly easy - in fact, stupidly easy. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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