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Yesterday, I noticed a trace of green Slime in a hole in my rear tire.
But the tire was holding air, so I told myself that it was just left-over slime from a previous flat, not from a new puncture. Today, the tire still held air, but my pre-flight check forced me to revise my theory: http://i25.tinypic.com/2mzk66f.jpg http://i29.tinypic.com/2j1r690.jpg The pump and gauge aren't attached to the valve--the pump handle was just a handy stand to hang the wheel. The tire probably would have worked fine, but I pulled the tube for patching, put in another, and chalked up my 14th flat for 2008. Cheers, Carl Fogel |
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On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 07:53:04 -0700, Colin Campbell
wrote: wrote: Yesterday, I noticed a trace of green Slime in a hole in my rear tire. But the tire was holding air, so I told myself that it was just left-over slime from a previous flat, not from a new puncture. Today, the tire still held air, but my pre-flight check forced me to revise my theory: http://i25.tinypic.com/2mzk66f.jpg http://i29.tinypic.com/2j1r690.jpg The pump and gauge aren't attached to the valve--the pump handle was just a handy stand to hang the wheel. The tire probably would have worked fine, but I pulled the tube for patching, put in another, and chalked up my 14th flat for 2008. Cheers, Carl Fogel Boy, you bettah find yo'self a road to ride on! Fourteen flats in 93 days - congratulations. No wait, I think I mean commiseration. Dear Colin, What do you mean, find a road? It's all nicely paved, about nine miles of road and six miles of path. There's even [modest cough] a traffic light with non-functioning traffic cameras. Alas, my daily ride isn't quite as daily as I'd like in the winter, so it's technically fourteen flats in only 83 rides. Usually the cause is goathead thorns, though the holes in the pictures are from something larger--glass, rock chips, russian olive thorns, or metal debris ranging from nails to cotter pins to fish-hooks. Sometimes I wonder uneasily if holes like the ones in this picture are quite as normal as I think they a http://i29.tinypic.com/2j1r690.jpg I took a dozen toothpicks and stuck them through similar holes in an earlier ti http://i32.tinypic.com/f1lhdf.jpg There were more holes, but a dozen toothpicks seemed like enough. Reassuringly, the replies to that post didn't seem to indicate that the holes were unusual: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...3c5a10890f242f So far, it's been a good year in that most of my flats have been repaired comfortably at home rather than on the road. I like my Topeak Road Morph pump, but I like my floor pump and work bench better. Cheers, Carl Fogel |
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On Apr 3, 11:56*am, wrote:
Usually the cause is goathead thorns, though the holes in the pictures are from something larger--glass, rock chips, russian olive thorns, or metal debris ranging from nails to cotter pins to fish-hooks. So, maybe we've been over this all before, but what have you got against Mr. Tuffy? Slime gets all over. I have Mr. Tuffies in all of my bikes (well, one bike has a knockoff made by Slime, but it's not slime- filled, it's just a plastic armor strip), and goathead punctures never get me anymore. |
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On Apr 3, 1:07*pm, wrote:
On Apr 3, 11:56*am, wrote: Usually the cause is goathead thorns, though the holes in the pictures are from something larger--glass, rock chips, russian olive thorns, or metal debris ranging from nails to cotter pins to fish-hooks. So, maybe we've been over this all before, but what have you got against Mr. Tuffy? *Slime gets all over. *I have Mr. Tuffies in all of my bikes (well, one bike has a knockoff made by Slime, but it's not slime- filled, it's just a plastic armor strip), and goathead punctures never get me anymore. Dear Chris, I have no objection to Mr. Tuffies. Some people like them. But years ago I still had goathead flats with Mr. Tuffies and thicker thorn-resistant tubes. The plastic strips sometimes made roadside repairs more troublesome. Plastic strips and thorn-resistant tube don't protect well against thorns off the center of the tread like this: http://i18.tinypic.com/2gtpxd2.jpg http://i16.tinypic.com/44td0dx.jpg Plastic strips also increase rolling resistance noticeably. My times improved markedly when I switched to Slime tubes. As for any mess, even the result of a rim blow-off cleans up with a quick swipe or two of the hand, wiped off on the nearest weeds: http://i18.tinypic.com/4t9hswg.jpg I'm willing to put up with a few drops of slime in exchange for getting home about half the time without stopping to fix a flat and for finding two or three sealed holes in a tube when it finally goes flat. I don't know of anything other than solid tires that really works around here, but the rolling resistance is more than I'm willing to put up with. So I like Slime tubes better than anything that I've tried, you're happier with plastic strips, and Lewis likes solid airfree tires: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...7844d420b29220 There are other solutions, too. I pass a lot of riders around here who are riding MTB bikes with knobby tires on pavement. With the knobs, the actual tire sits high off the ground, well away from most goatheads. But I also often see them pushing their bikes with flat knobby tires and what turn out to be thicker thorn-resistant tubes. It only takes one goathead. (And those MTB riders pedal past me when I'm yanking a tube and pumping up the new one by the side of the path or road.) I also pedal past riders tucking plastic strips back into road tires. In the summer, I sometimes meet puzzled riders on touring bikes with flats in the thick industrial tires often recommended here. A few of them have volunteered that it was the first flat they'd had since they left California. As an aside, rolling resistance is a points often confused in bicycle history. Dunlop didn't pursue the pneumatic tire for comfort, though it certainly made a huge difference. Dunlop's first test showed that a pneumatic tire rolled far better than a solid tire across a barn yard, so he worked on the idea, persuaded some racers to try pneumatics, and succeeded because they soon beat riders with traditional solid and cushion tires so badly that anyone using the pneumatics was forced to ride with a handicap. Cheers, Carl Fogel |
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On Apr 3, 1:54*pm, wrote:
So I like Slime tubes better than anything that I've tried, you're happier with plastic strips, and Lewis likes solid airfree tires: *http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...7844d420b29220 There are other solutions, too. Carl...when my wife and son and I last rode together last summer we went through an unfamiliar, shady (low visibility) stretch. My son picked up no less than 14 goatheads on his knobbies. My wife caught about 8 in the fat balloony tires I put on her bike. I had...NONE. Put Slime-liners in his, Tuffies in hers, and I continued to ride naked, so to speak. What's my point? I don't know, maybe some people are lucky, some aren't. It seems that when it comes to goats, I'm lucky, when it comes to marauding Chevy Silverados...not so much. ABS |
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On Apr 3, 6:52 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 16:41:45 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Apr 3, 1:54 pm, wrote: So I like Slime tubes better than anything that I've tried, you're happier with plastic strips, and Lewis likes solid airfree tires: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...7844d420b29220 Fair enough. I don't have the trouble with floppy strips that you cite; in my experience, after a couple dozen miles, the Tuffies are "seated" and tend to stay put, as long as you just pop one bead off the rim when replacing. Which you never need to do, because they are like the stone that repels tigers for me. That point was driven home when I bought a new bike with 700x32-ish tires and suffered two goathead flats in the first week. That was last September, and I've had one flat since then, which was caused by a large staple. I have two other wide-tire road bikes (26x1.5 and 700x37) that behave similarly. I also have a mountain bike (26x2-ish) that I run *without* Tuffies, but *with* thorn resistant tubes as an extra measure against pinch flats because I am a gentleman of gravity. I have never encountered a goathead on the trail. I can't believe they actually doubled your ride time, but I'd be interested to hear what the delta actually was if you have any figures. As a commuter, my bigger concern is their impact on traction when cornering. |
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On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 05:26:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote: [snip] I can't believe they actually doubled your ride time, but I'd be interested to hear what the delta actually was if you have any figures. As a commuter, my bigger concern is their impact on traction when cornering. Dear Chris, I can't figure out where that "doubled ride time" came from, but I'd be interested to hear why a commuter is worried about traction on cornering. Oh, I know, I know! It helps avoid falling down and going boom. Mark J. |
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On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 05:26:28 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Apr 3, 6:52 pm, wrote: On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 16:41:45 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Apr 3, 1:54 pm, wrote: So I like Slime tubes better than anything that I've tried, you're happier with plastic strips, and Lewis likes solid airfree tires: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.b...7844d420b29220 Fair enough. I don't have the trouble with floppy strips that you cite; in my experience, after a couple dozen miles, the Tuffies are "seated" and tend to stay put, as long as you just pop one bead off the rim when replacing. Which you never need to do, because they are like the stone that repels tigers for me. That point was driven home when I bought a new bike with 700x32-ish tires and suffered two goathead flats in the first week. That was last September, and I've had one flat since then, which was caused by a large staple. I have two other wide-tire road bikes (26x1.5 and 700x37) that behave similarly. I also have a mountain bike (26x2-ish) that I run *without* Tuffies, but *with* thorn resistant tubes as an extra measure against pinch flats because I am a gentleman of gravity. I have never encountered a goathead on the trail. I can't believe they actually doubled your ride time, but I'd be interested to hear what the delta actually was if you have any figures. As a commuter, my bigger concern is their impact on traction when cornering. Dear Chris, Here's a crude elapsed-time chart, with a red bar inserted to show where the change from Tuffy and thorn-resistant to Slime tubes occurred: http://i30.tinypic.com/og04eb.jpg When I switched to Slime tubes from Tuffies and thick thorn-resistant tubes on 01-08-2000, my average speed rose from 18.87 mph for the previous ~350 rides to 19.86 mph for the next ~350 rides on the same daily route, about three minutes faster on a 45~48 minute ride, a bit over 6% faster. The speed change was immediate and prolonged, so it's hard to argue that it was a new-toy effect. As usual, times grew longer at the end of both years with bad weather. As for traction, I'd be surprised if a commuter could notice any difference due to Tuffy strips. Cheers, Carl Fogel |
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