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Kool Stop Salmon pads best for all around?
I have a set of the black Kool stop pads on my road bike, generic (probably
Techro) brakes but they work fine and the Kool stop pads make a difference. Kool Stop markets the Salmon colored as for use in wet weather, but Sheldon's site/Harris Cyclery like the Salmon pads for all use. All comments welcome on those that have used both the black and salmon pads on a road bike. |
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Kool Stop Salmon pads best for all around?
rs wrote: I have a set of the black Kool stop pads on my road bike, generic (probably Techro) brakes but they work fine and the Kool stop pads make a difference. Kool Stop markets the Salmon colored as for use in wet weather, but Sheldon's site/Harris Cyclery like the Salmon pads for all use. All comments welcome on those that have used both the black and salmon pads on a road bike. I've used both colors of KS thinlines on my road-ish touring/commute/main bike with paul neoretros, and installed many, many of both colors on various setups while working at a shop. IME, its true that black KS pads are indeed a bit better in dry conditions than salmon, whereas salmons are way better than everything else in wet, and wear longer. With a good brake set up, salmons are also generally much more than good enough in dry, on-road conditions, so they usually make a lot of sense as "the pad" for bikes that see a fair amount of on-road use when it's wet. |
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Kool Stop Salmon pads best for all around?
rs wrote:
I have a set of the black Kool stop pads on my road bike, generic (probably Techro) brakes but they work fine and the Kool stop pads make a difference. Kool Stop markets the Salmon colored as for use in wet weather, but Sheldon's site/Harris Cyclery like the Salmon pads for all use. All comments welcome on those that have used both the black and salmon pads on a road bike. Both black and salmon Koolstops worked equally well on my MTB. -- Phil, Squid-in-Training |
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Kool Stop Salmon pads best for all around?
rs wrote:
I have a set of the black Kool stop pads on my road bike, generic (probably Techro) brakes but they work fine and the Kool stop pads make a difference. Kool Stop markets the Salmon colored as for use in wet weather, but Sheldon's site/Harris Cyclery like the Salmon pads for all use. All comments welcome on those that have used both the black and salmon pads on a road bike. I don't think it makes a bit of difference for dry use, nor have I experienced any difference in wet brake performance between various pad compounds. The only benefit of "salmons" is they don't get grit embedded, so they save your rims if you do a lot of riding in the rain. |
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Kool Stop Salmon pads best for all around?
Kool Stop markets the Salmon colored as for use in wet weather, but Sheldon's
site/Harris Cyclery like the Salmon pads for all use. Has anyone tried the silver/grey Continentals? I see them cheap on eBay. http://tinyurl.com/bs6hh Art Harris |
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Kool Stop Salmon pads best for all around?
On 15 Feb 2006 05:42:11 -0800, "Art Harris" wrote:
Kool Stop markets the Salmon colored as for use in wet weather, but Sheldon's site/Harris Cyclery like the Salmon pads for all use. Has anyone tried the silver/grey Continentals? I see them cheap on eBay. http://tinyurl.com/bs6hh Art Harris Hi, along those lines, does anyone have an opinion on the newest Shimano Dura-Ace pads? The ones that come stock with the 7800 brake calipers. I know the older 7700 pads are bad news, but what about the new ones? How do they compare to the KS salmons? I just bought a 7800 front brake caliper, but haven't had a chance to try it. If the reports are bad on the new pad, I'll just change it right away. Any info will be appreciated. Thank you, Jeff |
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Kool Stop Salmon pads best for all around?
rs wrote:
I have a set of the black Kool stop pads on my road bike, generic (probably Techro) brakes but they work fine and the Kool stop pads make a difference. Kool Stop markets the Salmon colored as for use in wet weather, but Sheldon's site/Harris Cyclery like the Salmon pads for all use. All comments welcome on those that have used both the black and salmon pads on a road bike. I don't change brake pads when it rains or when it stops. Don't have any experience with Kool Stop black pads, but put some salmon pads on 4-5 years ago. Unlike Shimano and Pyramid pads, they don't chew up the rims. Takes a couple of wheel revolutions to squeeze the water off the rims when they're wet. This "slow stopping" happens frequently when there's dew on the grass as I start in the morning, but only twice on the road in that 4-5 years. Pat |
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Kool Stop Salmon pads best for all around?
Pat Lamb writes:
I have a set of the black Kool stop pads on my road bike, generic (probably Techro) brakes but they work fine and the Kool stop pads make a difference. Kool Stop markets the Salmon colored as for use in wet weather, but Sheldon's site/Harris Cyclery like the Salmon pads for all use. All comments welcome on those that have used both the black and salmon pads on a road bike. I don't change brake pads when it rains or when it stops. Don't have any experience with Kool Stop black pads, but put some salmon pads on 4-5 years ago. Unlike Shimano and Pyramid pads, they don't chew up the rims. Takes a couple of wheel revolutions to squeeze the water off the rims when they're wet. This "slow stopping" happens frequently when there's dew on the grass as I start in the morning, but only twice on the road in that 4-5 years. I use Kool-Stop Continental Salmon red and have done so for many years mainly for two reasons. The brake pads cannot be dislodged by a wheel change and the material does not build up metal shavings as most others do. It was Mafac and Campagnolo brake pads that inspired me to look for a material that would not chew up rims in the rain, where small grit particles become embedded in the brake pad and subsequently machine metal from the rim that snowballs into serious rim damage... and loss of braking. http://www.koolstop.com/brakes/ (bottom of the page) I notice that Kool-Stop has modified the description of the continental pad: ..Completely molded brake pad and holder ..Built in heat sink ..Reasonably priced Kool Stop quality and performance ..Compounds: Gray for normal conditions, Salmon for any riding condition mother nature can throw your way. Will work for steel or alloy rims because our Kool-Stop compounds are Rim Friendly ® The heat sink item tells me that they are still unclear on where braking heat goes. It does not go into the brake pad. The pad is an insulator whose "built in heat sink" is like Matthauser's cooling fins on the back of his pads, imaginary. As for wet braking, that is mostly myth. The way to assess that is to ride through snow so that the inner circumference of the front rim is packed with snow. Then on a clean part of a descending road apply the brake and notice that braking is nearly absent until the last bit of snow has melted from the rim. At that time the braking surface can dry to restore effective braking. While riding in rain, useful braking comes form partial drying of the rim brake track and depends on braking heat, as little as there is up till that point. Water is a good lubricant! Jobst Brandt |
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Kool Stop Salmon pads best for all around?
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:37:13 -0600, rs wrote:
The main benefit of the salmon pads, as others have said, is that they do not trap crud in them which then eats your rims. They don't stop particularly well in the rain, but for me the ones that do stop well in the rain do so since they are full of said crud and stop you by shaving off parts of the rim. Salmon pads also last a long time, much longer than stock Shimano or Campy. -- David L. Johnson __o | A mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems. _`\(,_ | -- Paul Erdos (_)/ (_) | |
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Kool Stop Salmon pads best for all around?
On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:35:18 -0500, Phil, Squid-in-Training wrote:
rs wrote: I have a set of the black Kool stop pads on my road bike, generic (probably Techro) brakes but they work fine and the Kool stop pads make a difference. Kool Stop markets the Salmon colored as for use in wet weather, but Sheldon's site/Harris Cyclery like the Salmon pads for all use. All comments welcome on those that have used both the black and salmon pads on a road bike. Both black and salmon Koolstops worked equally well on my MTB. I think the Salmon ones work better, especially in the wet, but the black ones are probably the next best thing. They're light-years ahead of Shimano pads. I have the black ones on my MTB now. Since almost no bike shops ever carry the Salmon ones, and claim to have "never hearda that," I've usually had the black ones. Why bike shops aren't more proactive in offering the best products is beyond me. Could this be why they're losing business to mail order? Matt O. |
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