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Conbtinental has come out with a GP5000S and a GP5000TL



 
 
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Old February 9th 19, 05:52 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Conbtinental has come out with a GP5000S and a GP5000TL

The first is a clincher while the second is a tubeless. Why should a tubeless tire cost more than a clincher?

Not only do they cost more but you can almost buy a pair of the GP4000's that so many people use for the price of a single GP5000S. It's probably more than $100 for a GP5000TL in a shop in case you run over a killer piece of glass in front of a bike shop.

While Continental is the most popular racing tires (Vittoria is actually a better racing tire IMO) the reason I would change is because the MAXXI tubeless tires I'm presently running feel dead. They actually look narrower than a 25 mm Continental but I just went out into the garage and measured them and they are identical. So I guess the Continental is deeper.

They now have Goodyear tubeless tires and perhaps I try those for the Basso.. They are a little cheaper and my experience with Goodyear car tires is pretty good even though I'm pretty negative about a lot of things.

In any case, the Continentals are WAY too expensive and while the top of the line Vittoria I have are tubeless I will use them as clinchers on my Colnago.

I guess I will wear the Maxxi's out but only on economic principles.
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Old February 9th 19, 06:56 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Conbtinental has come out with a GP5000S and a GP5000TL

On 2019-02-09 09:52, wrote:
The first is a clincher while the second is a tubeless. Why should a
tubeless tire cost more than a clincher?


Because tubeless is the new fad? :-)

ducking


Not only do they cost more but you can almost buy a pair of the
GP4000's that so many people use for the price of a single GP5000S.
It's probably more than $100 for a GP5000TL in a shop in case you run
over a killer piece of glass in front of a bike shop.


I learned pretty soon that paying more than $20 for a road bike tire is
a waste of money. In fact, they can be worse than expensive tires.
Similar for MTB tires.


While Continental is the most popular racing tires (Vittoria is
actually a better racing tire IMO) the reason I would change is
because the MAXXI tubeless tires I'm presently running feel dead.
They actually look narrower than a 25 mm Continental but I just went
out into the garage and measured them and they are identical. So I
guess the Continental is deeper.

They now have Goodyear tubeless tires and perhaps I try those for the
Basso. They are a little cheaper and my experience with Goodyear car
tires is pretty good even though I'm pretty negative about a lot of
things.

In any case, the Continentals are WAY too expensive and while the top
of the line Vittoria I have are tubeless I will use them as clinchers
on my Colnago.

I guess I will wear the Maxxi's out but only on economic principles.


Currently I've got a Vittoria Zafiro on the rear. While it developed
serious flattening of the running surface at around 1000mi it's now
approaching 2000mi and still no thread showing. Best of all, no side
wall wear or damage, something that brought nearly all of my Conti
Gatorskins to grief.

The Zafiros cost me about $14. When they are up I've got Vee Rubber 25mm
tires for $12/piece, let's see how they do.

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Old February 9th 19, 09:44 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Conbtinental has come out with a GP5000S and a GP5000TL

On Sat, 09 Feb 2019 10:56:32 -0800, Joerg
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On 2019-02-09 09:52, wrote:
The first is a clincher while the second is a tubeless. Why should a
tubeless tire cost more than a clincher?


Because tubeless is the new fad? :-)


Because the casing has to be made so that it holds air without an inner
tube. That's not how clinchers have been made.
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Old February 10th 19, 10:15 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Conbtinental has come out with a GP5000S and a GP5000TL

On 2/10/2019 9:51 AM, wrote:
On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 3:52:27 PM UTC+1, Duane wrote:
wrote:
On Saturday, February 9, 2019 at 7:56:22 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-02-09 09:52,
wrote:


I learned pretty soon that paying more than $20 for a road bike tire is
a waste of money. In fact, they can be worse than expensive tires.
Similar for MTB tires.

That depends on your riding conditions and requirements. I ride on good
roads on my road bikes and get 4500 km out of a Continental 4000S(2) rear
tire and expect the same from the 5000 so price is not that important.

Lou



I get about the same mileage and very few flats. I think I’ve had one flat
in the last 10,000km and that was a tube giving out when I hit a pothole
hard. I ride on roads but I can’t say they’re always good roads.

Maybe Joerg is riding his road bike on single track carrying 4 gallons of
water or something...

--
duane


I rode 11000 km last year and had 2 or 3 flats. No way I going to ride crappy cheap tires.

Lou

Same here. I decided a few years ago that life is too short to ride on
crappy tires. But of course, I have the luxury of relatively little
broken glass or other road debris on my recreational routes. Even then,
I get 2-4 flats per year, but I'm pretty confident the tires (Veloflex
"Master" in my case) roll faster and are less "harsh" than the cheapos I
used to use.

In contrast, on my commuter, which had to traverse a few glass-scapes
now and then, I mounted "tank" tires that were unforgiving but nearly
invulnerable.

Mark J.
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Old February 17th 19, 03:48 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Conbtinental has come out with a GP5000S and a GP5000TL

On 2019-02-10 10:32, wrote:
On Sunday, February 10, 2019 at 6:52:27 AM UTC-8, Duane wrote:
wrote:
On Saturday, February 9, 2019 at 7:56:22 PM UTC+1, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-02-09 09:52,
wrote:


I learned pretty soon that paying more than $20 for a road bike tire is
a waste of money. In fact, they can be worse than expensive tires.
Similar for MTB tires.

That depends on your riding conditions and requirements. I ride on good
roads on my road bikes and get 4500 km out of a Continental 4000S(2) rear
tire and expect the same from the 5000 so price is not that important.

Lou



I get about the same mileage and very few flats. I think I’ve had one flat
in the last 10,000km and that was a tube giving out when I hit a pothole
hard. I ride on roads but I can’t say they’re always good roads.

Maybe Joerg is riding his road bike on single track carrying 4 gallons of
water or something...

--
duane


George does ride over gravel roads. Consequently he gets sidewall cuts.


Not much choice. Sometimes roads turn into gravel or even dirt without
the map saying so. At the most you get a sign "Pavement ends" as you get
there. Instead of turning around on I press on, just like I would in a
car. On a vehicle I expect tires not to be the princess on the pea. Some
tires are just too flimsy.

One of the Gatorskin sidewall blow-outs was on Green Valley Road from
Folsom to Cameron Park. This is paved all the way but has debris from
trucks et cetera. Luckily uphill and at low speed, didn't crash, as
there was fast rush hour traffic to the left of me. Since switching to
Asian tires ... no more sidewall blow-outs on the road bike or the MTB
and it's been years of regular riding. The MTB has to endure quite
hostile turf. A pleasant side effect was that sturdy Asian tires cost
less than half of the "name brand" ones.

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