LA's Big F*$king Deal

"RicodJour" wrote in message
...

D-y wasn't talking about your specific beliefs, other than the fact
that you have a permanent woodie for LANCE.

Your specific beliefs are overshadowed by your man-crush. I know -
you're just a wide-stancer.




Dumbass -

I'm gonna guess that Lafferty's Man Crush originated when LANCE wouldn't
give him the reach around.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

On 6/18/2010 12:58 PM, RicodJour wrote:
On Jun 18, 12:50 pm, "B. wrote:
On 6/18/2010 9:26 AM, --D-y wrote:

On Jun 18, 5:38 am, "B. wrote:
On 6/18/2010 12:37 AM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:

On Jun 17, 3:21 pm, "B. wrote:
On 6/17/2010 6:09 PM, Fred Gringioni wrote:

"B. wrote in message
...
: On 6/17/2010 2:25 PM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
: On Jun 17, 8:55 am, "B. wrote:
: On 6/17/2010 10:51 AM, Andy Coggan wrote: On Jun 16, 7:30 pm,
wrote:
:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/post/L...-magazine-for-...
: What comes around, goes around. Maybe Outside Mag is jumping the gun.
: Landis/Lemond underground printing press release?
: Coz
:
: Apparently the journalistic ethics of Outside Magazine are no higher
: than those of Perez Hilton:
:
:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/sho...ar.miley.photo...
:
: Andy Coggan
:
: Outside Magazine has a pretty good reputation for hard-nosed reporting.
:
:
:
:
: Dumbass -
:
: The piece that Krakauer did for Outside on the 1996 Everest disaster
: was one of the biggest pieces of **** I've ever read. Soooooo biased
: and, IMO, wrong too. Krakauer blamed Fisher's company for everything,
: singling out Anatoli Boukreev and neglecting to place any blame on Rob
: Hall. Lame because Boukreev is the only one who saved anyone, Fisher's
: company didn't lose and clients and Hall's company lost a number of
: clients. From what I could tell, Krakauer pointed those fingers simply
: because he didn't like Boukreev.
:
: I read both Krakauer and Boukreev's books. Krakauer's account doesn't
: add up when you look at who made it and who didn't.
:
: thanks,
:
: Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
: I read them all as well. You're overstating again. SSDD.

Dumbass -

Not really.

He didn't lay any blame on Hall.

Fisher's company lost Fisher, but no clients. Hall's company lost several
guides and several clients.

They both deserve blame. Krakauer let his personal bias vs. Boukreev affect
his journalism.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Wrong news group.

Dumbass -

You said Outside had a "good reputation for hard nosed reporting".

Maybe so, but they don't shy away from printing stuff that's extremely
biased. I gave an obvious example.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Obvious to your "mind," indeed.
How about your mind, Brian?

This latest "Defeat of Satan" rampage has been quite something.

Greg Lemond still fits the doper profile and always will, no matter
what happens with Lucif-- I mean, Lance.

Greg? Doper profile? I've been corrected in my old "couldn't ride in
June, won in July" perception.
The history apparently is, "couldn't ride in the first weeks of the
Giro, but did well in a TT" a little later.
Forgive me if I don't look up the exact sequence, but here we are
being told that iron *injections*, which some have said do not have
immediate strong effect on athletic performance, powered an even
quicker "cure" than had earlier been perceived by me and others. A
minor miracle of science?

"It was lead poisoning"? Back at that time, I had a real, practicing
MD tell me that pellets or bullets that are not actively causing harm
are commonly left in the body as there is no medical reason to dig in
there and get them out.

This Wiki articlehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_poisoning says
little danger exists from bullets or lead fragments "unless in or near
fluid-filled or synovial areas".
Further, actual medical treatment by chelation goes well beyond an
iron "booster" shot:
(quoting):
A chelating agent is a molecule with at least two negatively charged
groups that allow it to form complexes with metal ions with multiple
positive charges, such as lead.[119] The chelate that is thus formed
is nontoxic[120] and can be excreted in the urine, initially at up to
50 times the normal rate.[65] The chelating agents used for treatment
of lead poisoning are edetate disodium calcium (CaNa2EDTA),
dimercaprol (BAL), which are injected, and succimer and d-
penicillamine, which are administered orally.[121] Chelation therapy
is used in cases of acute lead poisoning,[18] severe poisoning, and
encephalopathy,[116] and is considered for people with blood lead
levels above 25 µg/dL.[23] While the use of chelation for people with
symptoms of lead poisoning is widely supported, use in asymptomatic
people with high blood lead levels is more controversial.[9] Chelation
therapy is of limited value for cases of chronic exposure to low
levels of lead. (end quote)

So, where's the proper doubt about Greg Lemond's story? Don't forget,
he knows there is very, very little chance he will be contradicted,
both due to the "omerta" he so roundly despises in public, and the
fact that there are no Greg Lemond B samples sitting in a freezer
somewhere to be test test tested.
Not to mention the fact that Greg himself might not know what was
really in his medications. Of course, he's still responsible, no
matter what...
--D-y

Search back to 1994 or 1995 here on rbr when I noted that mitochondrial
myopathy, which Lemond was diagnosed with and claimed was caused by the
lead in his system, could not be caused lead poisoning. I noted back
then that this illness was genetic in etiology. There was one other
possibe etiology, according to standard internal medicine texts,to wit,
steroid abuse.

So contrary to your stupid assertions, I have always looked at cycling
with a cynical eye regarding drugs and have never assumed that anyone
was/is clean--not even Lemond.

Time for you to crawl back under that rock. ROTFL!!

D-y wasn't talking about your specific beliefs, other than the fact
that you have a permanent woodie for LANCE.

Your specific beliefs are overshadowed by your man-crush. I know -
you're just a wide-stancer.

R
So unoriginal. ROTFLMAO!!

"B. Lafferty" wrote in message
...
On 6/18/2010 12:58 PM, RicodJour wrote:
On Jun 18, 12:50 pm, "B. wrote:
On 6/18/2010 9:26 AM, --D-y wrote:

On Jun 18, 5:38 am, "B. wrote:
On 6/18/2010 12:37 AM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:

On Jun 17, 3:21 pm, "B. wrote:
On 6/17/2010 6:09 PM, Fred Gringioni wrote:

"B. wrote in message
...
: On 6/17/2010 2:25 PM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
: On Jun 17, 8:55 am, "B.
wrote:
: On 6/17/2010 10:51 AM, Andy Coggan wrote: On
Jun 16, 7:30 pm,
wrote:
:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/post/L...-magazine-for-...
: What comes around, goes around. Maybe Outside Mag is
jumping the gun.
: Landis/Lemond underground printing press release?
: Coz
:
: Apparently the journalistic ethics of Outside Magazine
are no higher
: than those of Perez Hilton:
:
:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/sho...ar.miley.photo...
:
: Andy Coggan
:
: Outside Magazine has a pretty good reputation for
hard-nosed reporting.
:
:
:
:
: Dumbass -
:
: The piece that Krakauer did for Outside on the 1996
Everest disaster
: was one of the biggest pieces of **** I've ever read.
Soooooo biased
: and, IMO, wrong too. Krakauer blamed Fisher's company for
everything,
: singling out Anatoli Boukreev and neglecting to place any
blame on Rob
: Hall. Lame because Boukreev is the only one who saved
anyone, Fisher's
: company didn't lose and clients and Hall's company lost a
number of
: clients. From what I could tell, Krakauer pointed those
fingers simply
: because he didn't like Boukreev.
:
: I read both Krakauer and Boukreev's books. Krakauer's
account doesn't
: add up when you look at who made it and who didn't.
:
: thanks,
:
: Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
: I read them all as well. You're overstating again. SSDD.

Dumbass -

Not really.

He didn't lay any blame on Hall.

Fisher's company lost Fisher, but no clients. Hall's company lost
several
guides and several clients.

They both deserve blame. Krakauer let his personal bias vs.
Boukreev affect
his journalism.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Wrong news group.

Dumbass -

You said Outside had a "good reputation for hard nosed reporting".

Maybe so, but they don't shy away from printing stuff that's
extremely
biased. I gave an obvious example.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Obvious to your "mind," indeed.
How about your mind, Brian?

This latest "Defeat of Satan" rampage has been quite something.

Greg Lemond still fits the doper profile and always will, no matter
what happens with Lucif-- I mean, Lance.

Greg? Doper profile? I've been corrected in my old "couldn't ride in
June, won in July" perception.
The history apparently is, "couldn't ride in the first weeks of the
Giro, but did well in a TT" a little later.
Forgive me if I don't look up the exact sequence, but here we are
being told that iron *injections*, which some have said do not have
immediate strong effect on athletic performance, powered an even
quicker "cure" than had earlier been perceived by me and others. A
minor miracle of science?

"It was lead poisoning"? Back at that time, I had a real, practicing
MD tell me that pellets or bullets that are not actively causing harm
are commonly left in the body as there is no medical reason to dig in
there and get them out.

This Wiki articlehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_poisoning says
little danger exists from bullets or lead fragments "unless in or near
fluid-filled or synovial areas".
Further, actual medical treatment by chelation goes well beyond an
iron "booster" shot:
(quoting):
A chelating agent is a molecule with at least two negatively charged
groups that allow it to form complexes with metal ions with multiple
positive charges, such as lead.[119] The chelate that is thus formed
is nontoxic[120] and can be excreted in the urine, initially at up to
50 times the normal rate.[65] The chelating agents used for treatment
of lead poisoning are edetate disodium calcium (CaNa2EDTA),
dimercaprol (BAL), which are injected, and succimer and d-
penicillamine, which are administered orally.[121] Chelation therapy
is used in cases of acute lead poisoning,[18] severe poisoning, and
encephalopathy,[116] and is considered for people with blood lead
levels above 25 µg/dL.[23] While the use of chelation for people with
symptoms of lead poisoning is widely supported, use in asymptomatic
people with high blood lead levels is more controversial.[9] Chelation
therapy is of limited value for cases of chronic exposure to low
levels of lead. (end quote)

So, where's the proper doubt about Greg Lemond's story? Don't forget,
he knows there is very, very little chance he will be contradicted,
both due to the "omerta" he so roundly despises in public, and the
fact that there are no Greg Lemond B samples sitting in a freezer
somewhere to be test test tested.
Not to mention the fact that Greg himself might not know what was
really in his medications. Of course, he's still responsible, no
matter what...
--D-y

Search back to 1994 or 1995 here on rbr when I noted that mitochondrial
myopathy, which Lemond was diagnosed with and claimed was caused by the
lead in his system, could not be caused lead poisoning. I noted back
then that this illness was genetic in etiology. There was one other
possibe etiology, according to standard internal medicine texts,to wit,
steroid abuse.

So contrary to your stupid assertions, I have always looked at cycling
with a cynical eye regarding drugs and have never assumed that anyone
was/is clean--not even Lemond.

Time for you to crawl back under that rock. ROTFL!!

D-y wasn't talking about your specific beliefs, other than the fact
that you have a permanent woodie for LANCE.

Your specific beliefs are overshadowed by your man-crush. I know -
you're just a wide-stancer.

R
So unoriginal. ROTFLMAO!!

Yet there is a curious imbalance to when you post; didn't you pretty much
disappear during the "off" season (that being anything not surrounding the
TdF)? Doping issues come year 'round and cover a wide number of riders, but
during the 'Tour season, the focus narrows down to a select few (or, for
some, one).

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
"B. Lafferty" wrote in message
...
On 6/18/2010 12:58 PM, RicodJour wrote:
On Jun 18, 12:50 pm, "B. wrote:
On 6/18/2010 9:26 AM, --D-y wrote:

On Jun 18, 5:38 am, "B. wrote:
On 6/18/2010 12:37 AM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:

On Jun 17, 3:21 pm, "B. wrote:
On 6/17/2010 6:09 PM, Fred Gringioni wrote:

"B. wrote in message
...
: On 6/17/2010 2:25 PM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
: On Jun 17, 8:55 am, "B.
wrote:
: On 6/17/2010 10:51 AM, Andy Coggan wrote:
On Jun 16, 7:30 pm,
wrote:
:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/post/L...-magazine-for-...

: What comes around, goes around. Maybe Outside Mag
is jumping the gun.
: Landis/Lemond underground printing press release?
: Coz
:
: Apparently the journalistic ethics of Outside
Magazine are no higher
: than those of Perez Hilton:
:
:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/sho...ar.miley.photo...

:
: Andy Coggan
:
: Outside Magazine has a pretty good reputation for
hard-nosed reporting.
:
:
:
:
: Dumbass -
:
: The piece that Krakauer did for Outside on the 1996
Everest disaster
: was one of the biggest pieces of **** I've ever read.
Soooooo biased
: and, IMO, wrong too. Krakauer blamed Fisher's company
for everything,
: singling out Anatoli Boukreev and neglecting to place
any blame on Rob
: Hall. Lame because Boukreev is the only one who saved
anyone, Fisher's
: company didn't lose and clients and Hall's company
lost a number of
: clients. From what I could tell, Krakauer pointed
those fingers simply
: because he didn't like Boukreev.
:
: I read both Krakauer and Boukreev's books. Krakauer's
account doesn't
: add up when you look at who made it and who didn't.
:
: thanks,
:
: Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
: I read them all as well. You're overstating again. SSDD.

Dumbass -

Not really.

He didn't lay any blame on Hall.

Fisher's company lost Fisher, but no clients. Hall's company
lost several
guides and several clients.

They both deserve blame. Krakauer let his personal bias vs.
Boukreev affect
his journalism.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Wrong news group.

Dumbass -

You said Outside had a "good reputation for hard nosed reporting".

Maybe so, but they don't shy away from printing stuff that's
extremely
biased. I gave an obvious example.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Obvious to your "mind," indeed.
How about your mind, Brian?

This latest "Defeat of Satan" rampage has been quite something.

Greg Lemond still fits the doper profile and always will, no matter
what happens with Lucif-- I mean, Lance.

Greg? Doper profile? I've been corrected in my old "couldn't ride in
June, won in July" perception.
The history apparently is, "couldn't ride in the first weeks of the
Giro, but did well in a TT" a little later.
Forgive me if I don't look up the exact sequence, but here we are
being told that iron *injections*, which some have said do not have
immediate strong effect on athletic performance, powered an even
quicker "cure" than had earlier been perceived by me and others. A
minor miracle of science?

"It was lead poisoning"? Back at that time, I had a real, practicing
MD tell me that pellets or bullets that are not actively causing harm
are commonly left in the body as there is no medical reason to dig in
there and get them out.

This Wiki articlehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_poisoning says
little danger exists from bullets or lead fragments "unless in or near
fluid-filled or synovial areas".
Further, actual medical treatment by chelation goes well beyond an
iron "booster" shot:
(quoting):
A chelating agent is a molecule with at least two negatively charged
groups that allow it to form complexes with metal ions with multiple
positive charges, such as lead.[119] The chelate that is thus formed
is nontoxic[120] and can be excreted in the urine, initially at up to
50 times the normal rate.[65] The chelating agents used for treatment
of lead poisoning are edetate disodium calcium (CaNa2EDTA),
dimercaprol (BAL), which are injected, and succimer and d-
penicillamine, which are administered orally.[121] Chelation therapy
is used in cases of acute lead poisoning,[18] severe poisoning, and
encephalopathy,[116] and is considered for people with blood lead
levels above 25 µg/dL.[23] While the use of chelation for people with
symptoms of lead poisoning is widely supported, use in asymptomatic
people with high blood lead levels is more controversial.[9] Chelation
therapy is of limited value for cases of chronic exposure to low
levels of lead. (end quote)

So, where's the proper doubt about Greg Lemond's story? Don't forget,
he knows there is very, very little chance he will be contradicted,
both due to the "omerta" he so roundly despises in public, and the
fact that there are no Greg Lemond B samples sitting in a freezer
somewhere to be test test tested.
Not to mention the fact that Greg himself might not know what was
really in his medications. Of course, he's still responsible, no
matter what...
--D-y

Search back to 1994 or 1995 here on rbr when I noted that mitochondrial
myopathy, which Lemond was diagnosed with and claimed was caused by the
lead in his system, could not be caused lead poisoning. I noted back
then that this illness was genetic in etiology. There was one other
possibe etiology, according to standard internal medicine texts,to wit,
steroid abuse.

So contrary to your stupid assertions, I have always looked at cycling
with a cynical eye regarding drugs and have never assumed that anyone
was/is clean--not even Lemond.

Time for you to crawl back under that rock. ROTFL!!

D-y wasn't talking about your specific beliefs, other than the fact
that you have a permanent woodie for LANCE.

Your specific beliefs are overshadowed by your man-crush. I know -
you're just a wide-stancer.

R
So unoriginal. ROTFLMAO!!

Yet there is a curious imbalance to when you post; didn't you pretty
much disappear during the "off" season (that being anything not
surrounding the TdF)? Doping issues come year 'round and cover a wide
number of riders, but during the 'Tour season, the focus narrows down to
a select few (or, for some, one).

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

Specificity.

On Jun 18, 9:26*am, --D-y wrote:
On Jun 18, 5:38*am, "B. Lafferty" wrote:

On 6/18/2010 12:37 AM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:

On Jun 17, 3:21 pm, "B. *wrote:
On 6/17/2010 6:09 PM, Fred Gringioni wrote:

"B. * *wrote in message
news:kfGdnZm5F7pIHIfRnZ2dnUVZ_j2dnZ2d@giganews. com...
: On 6/17/2010 2:25 PM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
: * *On Jun 17, 8:55 am, "B. * * wrote:
: * *On 6/17/2010 10:51 AM, Andy Coggan wrote: * * On Jun 16, 7:30 pm,
* * * wrote:
:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/post/L...-magazine-for-...
: * *What comes around, goes around. Maybe Outside Mag is jumping the gun.
: * *Landis/Lemond underground printing press release?
: * *Coz
:
: * *Apparently the journalistic ethics of Outside Magazine are no higher
: * *than those of Perez Hilton:
:
:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/sho...ar.miley.photo...
:
: * *Andy Coggan
:
: * *Outside Magazine has a pretty good reputation for hard-nosed reporting.
:
:
:
:
: * *Dumbass -
:
: * *The piece that Krakauer did for Outside on the 1996 Everest disaster
: * *was one of the biggest pieces of **** I've ever read. Soooooo biased
: * *and, IMO, wrong too. Krakauer blamed Fisher's company for everything,
: * *singling out Anatoli Boukreev and neglecting to place any blame on Rob
: * *Hall. Lame because Boukreev is the only one who saved anyone, Fisher's
: * *company didn't lose and clients and Hall's company lost a number of
: * *clients. From what I could tell, Krakauer pointed those fingers simply
: * *because he didn't like Boukreev.
:
: * *I read both Krakauer and Boukreev's books. Krakauer's account doesn't
: * *add up when you look at who made it and who didn't.
:
: * *thanks,
:
: * *Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
: I read them all as well. *You're overstating again. *SSDD.

Dumbass -

Not really.

He didn't lay any blame on Hall.

Fisher's company lost Fisher, but no clients. Hall's company lost several
guides and several clients.

They both deserve blame. Krakauer let his personal bias vs. Boukreev affect
his journalism.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Wrong news group.

Dumbass -

You said Outside had a "good reputation for hard nosed reporting".

Maybe so, but they don't shy away from printing stuff that's extremely
biased. I gave an obvious example.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Obvious to your "mind," indeed.

How about your mind, Brian?

This latest "Defeat of Satan" rampage has been quite something.

Greg Lemond still fits the doper profile and always will, no matter
what happens with Lucif-- I mean, Lance.

Greg? Doper profile? I've been corrected in my old "couldn't ride in
June, won in July" perception.
The history apparently is, "couldn't ride in the first weeks of the
Giro, but did well in a TT" a little later.
Forgive me if I don't look up the exact sequence, but here we are
being told that iron *injections*, which some have said do not have
immediate strong effect on athletic performance, powered an even
quicker "cure" than had earlier been perceived by me and others. A
minor miracle of science?

"It was lead poisoning"? Back at that time, I had a real, practicing
MD tell me that pellets or bullets that are not actively causing harm
are commonly left in the body as there is no medical reason to dig in
there and get them out.

This Wiki article *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_poisoning says
little danger exists from bullets or lead fragments "unless in or near
fluid-filled or synovial areas".
Further, actual medical treatment by chelation goes well beyond an
iron "booster" shot:
(quoting):
A chelating agent is a molecule with at least two negatively charged
groups that allow it to form complexes with metal ions with multiple
positive charges, such as lead.[119] The chelate that is thus formed
is nontoxic[120] and can be excreted in the urine, initially at up to
50 times the normal rate.[65] The chelating agents used for treatment
of lead poisoning are edetate disodium calcium (CaNa2EDTA),
dimercaprol (BAL), which are injected, and succimer and d-
penicillamine, which are administered orally.[121] Chelation therapy
is used in cases of acute lead poisoning,[18] severe poisoning, and
encephalopathy,[116] and is considered for people with blood lead
levels above 25 µg/dL.[23] While the use of chelation for people with
symptoms of lead poisoning is widely supported, use in asymptomatic
people with high blood lead levels is more controversial.[9] Chelation
therapy is of limited value for cases of chronic exposure to low
levels of lead. (end quote)

So, where's the proper doubt about Greg Lemond's story? Don't forget,
he knows there is very, very little chance he will be contradicted,
both due to the "omerta" he so roundly despises in public, and the
fact that there are no Greg Lemond B samples sitting in a freezer
somewhere to be test test tested.
Not to mention the fact that Greg himself might not know what was
really in his medications. Of course, he's still responsible, no
matter what...
--D-y

dumbass,

keep drinking the yellow kool aid.

On 6/18/2010 4:28 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
"B. Lafferty" wrote in message
...
On 6/18/2010 12:58 PM, RicodJour wrote:
On Jun 18, 12:50 pm, "B. wrote:
On 6/18/2010 9:26 AM, --D-y wrote:

On Jun 18, 5:38 am, "B. wrote:
On 6/18/2010 12:37 AM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:

On Jun 17, 3:21 pm, "B. wrote:
On 6/17/2010 6:09 PM, Fred Gringioni wrote:

"B. wrote in message
...
: On 6/17/2010 2:25 PM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
: On Jun 17, 8:55 am, "B. wrote:
: On 6/17/2010 10:51 AM, Andy Coggan wrote: On Jun 16, 7:30 pm,
wrote:
:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/post/L...-magazine-for-...

: What comes around, goes around. Maybe Outside Mag is
jumping the gun.
: Landis/Lemond underground printing press release?
: Coz
:
: Apparently the journalistic ethics of Outside Magazine are
no higher
: than those of Perez Hilton:
:
:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/sho...ar.miley.photo...

:
: Andy Coggan
:
: Outside Magazine has a pretty good reputation for
hard-nosed reporting.
:
:
:
:
: Dumbass -
:
: The piece that Krakauer did for Outside on the 1996 Everest
disaster
: was one of the biggest pieces of **** I've ever read.
Soooooo biased
: and, IMO, wrong too. Krakauer blamed Fisher's company for
everything,
: singling out Anatoli Boukreev and neglecting to place any
blame on Rob
: Hall. Lame because Boukreev is the only one who saved
anyone, Fisher's
: company didn't lose and clients and Hall's company lost a
number of
: clients. From what I could tell, Krakauer pointed those
fingers simply
: because he didn't like Boukreev.
:
: I read both Krakauer and Boukreev's books. Krakauer's
account doesn't
: add up when you look at who made it and who didn't.
:
: thanks,
:
: Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
: I read them all as well. You're overstating again. SSDD.

Dumbass -

Not really.

He didn't lay any blame on Hall.

Fisher's company lost Fisher, but no clients. Hall's company
lost several
guides and several clients.

They both deserve blame. Krakauer let his personal bias vs.
Boukreev affect
his journalism.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Wrong news group.

Dumbass -

You said Outside had a "good reputation for hard nosed reporting".

Maybe so, but they don't shy away from printing stuff that's
extremely
biased. I gave an obvious example.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Obvious to your "mind," indeed.
How about your mind, Brian?

This latest "Defeat of Satan" rampage has been quite something.

Greg Lemond still fits the doper profile and always will, no matter
what happens with Lucif-- I mean, Lance.

Greg? Doper profile? I've been corrected in my old "couldn't ride in
June, won in July" perception.
The history apparently is, "couldn't ride in the first weeks of the
Giro, but did well in a TT" a little later.
Forgive me if I don't look up the exact sequence, but here we are
being told that iron *injections*, which some have said do not have
immediate strong effect on athletic performance, powered an even
quicker "cure" than had earlier been perceived by me and others. A
minor miracle of science?

"It was lead poisoning"? Back at that time, I had a real, practicing
MD tell me that pellets or bullets that are not actively causing harm
are commonly left in the body as there is no medical reason to dig in
there and get them out.

This Wiki articlehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_poisoning says
little danger exists from bullets or lead fragments "unless in or near
fluid-filled or synovial areas".
Further, actual medical treatment by chelation goes well beyond an
iron "booster" shot:
(quoting):
A chelating agent is a molecule with at least two negatively charged
groups that allow it to form complexes with metal ions with multiple
positive charges, such as lead.[119] The chelate that is thus formed
is nontoxic[120] and can be excreted in the urine, initially at up to
50 times the normal rate.[65] The chelating agents used for treatment
of lead poisoning are edetate disodium calcium (CaNa2EDTA),
dimercaprol (BAL), which are injected, and succimer and d-
penicillamine, which are administered orally.[121] Chelation therapy
is used in cases of acute lead poisoning,[18] severe poisoning, and
encephalopathy,[116] and is considered for people with blood lead
levels above 25 µg/dL.[23] While the use of chelation for people with
symptoms of lead poisoning is widely supported, use in asymptomatic
people with high blood lead levels is more controversial.[9] Chelation
therapy is of limited value for cases of chronic exposure to low
levels of lead. (end quote)

So, where's the proper doubt about Greg Lemond's story? Don't forget,
he knows there is very, very little chance he will be contradicted,
both due to the "omerta" he so roundly despises in public, and the
fact that there are no Greg Lemond B samples sitting in a freezer
somewhere to be test test tested.
Not to mention the fact that Greg himself might not know what was
really in his medications. Of course, he's still responsible, no
matter what...
--D-y

Search back to 1994 or 1995 here on rbr when I noted that mitochondrial
myopathy, which Lemond was diagnosed with and claimed was caused by the
lead in his system, could not be caused lead poisoning. I noted back
then that this illness was genetic in etiology. There was one other
possibe etiology, according to standard internal medicine texts,to wit,
steroid abuse.

So contrary to your stupid assertions, I have always looked at cycling
with a cynical eye regarding drugs and have never assumed that anyone
was/is clean--not even Lemond.

Time for you to crawl back under that rock. ROTFL!!

D-y wasn't talking about your specific beliefs, other than the fact
that you have a permanent woodie for LANCE.

Your specific beliefs are overshadowed by your man-crush. I know -
you're just a wide-stancer.

R
So unoriginal. ROTFLMAO!!

Yet there is a curious imbalance to when you post; didn't you pretty
much disappear during the "off" season (that being anything not
surrounding the TdF)? Doping issues come year 'round and cover a wide
number of riders, but during the 'Tour season, the focus narrows down to
a select few (or, for some, one).

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
I've been dropping in now and then to read the posts from the ever
dwindling rbr masses. You guys and with your petty personalities have
done a great job of running just about all who were really interested in
something other than engaging in a cute little dumbass mental circle
jerk. But, don't stop. It's a fun diversion when the doper in chief
hits the news.

Carry on, children. :-)

B. Lafferty wrote:
ROTFL!!

Oh yeah? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQYx1Cr1Dwk

Fred Flintstein wrote:
What about that piece from the masters racer where he started
a doping program and at the end of it still wasn't that good.

Was that some hard nosed reporting?

http://outside.away.com/outside/body...ug_test_1.html
Dude used it to be better at Paris-Brest-Paris (1225 km) on a tandem.
With aero bars.

"B. Lafferty" wrote in message
...
On 6/18/2010 4:28 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
"B. Lafferty" wrote in message
...
On 6/18/2010 12:58 PM, RicodJour wrote:
On Jun 18, 12:50 pm, "B. wrote:
On 6/18/2010 9:26 AM, --D-y wrote:

On Jun 18, 5:38 am, "B. wrote:
On 6/18/2010 12:37 AM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:

On Jun 17, 3:21 pm, "B. wrote:
On 6/17/2010 6:09 PM, Fred Gringioni wrote:

"B. wrote in message
...
: On 6/17/2010 2:25 PM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
: On Jun 17, 8:55 am, "B. wrote:
: On 6/17/2010 10:51 AM, Andy Coggan wrote: On Jun 16, 7:30
pm,
wrote:
:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/post/L...-magazine-for-...

: What comes around, goes around. Maybe Outside Mag is
jumping the gun.
: Landis/Lemond underground printing press release?
: Coz
:
: Apparently the journalistic ethics of Outside Magazine are
no higher
: than those of Perez Hilton:
:
:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/sho...ar.miley.photo...

:
: Andy Coggan
:
: Outside Magazine has a pretty good reputation for
hard-nosed reporting.
:
:
:
:
: Dumbass -
:
: The piece that Krakauer did for Outside on the 1996 Everest
disaster
: was one of the biggest pieces of **** I've ever read.
Soooooo biased
: and, IMO, wrong too. Krakauer blamed Fisher's company for
everything,
: singling out Anatoli Boukreev and neglecting to place any
blame on Rob
: Hall. Lame because Boukreev is the only one who saved
anyone, Fisher's
: company didn't lose and clients and Hall's company lost a
number of
: clients. From what I could tell, Krakauer pointed those
fingers simply
: because he didn't like Boukreev.
:
: I read both Krakauer and Boukreev's books. Krakauer's
account doesn't
: add up when you look at who made it and who didn't.
:
: thanks,
:
: Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
: I read them all as well. You're overstating again. SSDD.

Dumbass -

Not really.

He didn't lay any blame on Hall.

Fisher's company lost Fisher, but no clients. Hall's company
lost several
guides and several clients.

They both deserve blame. Krakauer let his personal bias vs.
Boukreev affect
his journalism.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Wrong news group.

Dumbass -

You said Outside had a "good reputation for hard nosed reporting".

Maybe so, but they don't shy away from printing stuff that's
extremely
biased. I gave an obvious example.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Obvious to your "mind," indeed.
How about your mind, Brian?

This latest "Defeat of Satan" rampage has been quite something.

Greg Lemond still fits the doper profile and always will, no matter
what happens with Lucif-- I mean, Lance.

Greg? Doper profile? I've been corrected in my old "couldn't ride in
June, won in July" perception.
The history apparently is, "couldn't ride in the first weeks of the
Giro, but did well in a TT" a little later.
Forgive me if I don't look up the exact sequence, but here we are
being told that iron *injections*, which some have said do not have
immediate strong effect on athletic performance, powered an even
quicker "cure" than had earlier been perceived by me and others. A
minor miracle of science?

"It was lead poisoning"? Back at that time, I had a real, practicing
MD tell me that pellets or bullets that are not actively causing harm
are commonly left in the body as there is no medical reason to dig in
there and get them out.

This Wiki articlehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_poisoning says
little danger exists from bullets or lead fragments "unless in or
near
fluid-filled or synovial areas".
Further, actual medical treatment by chelation goes well beyond an
iron "booster" shot:
(quoting):
A chelating agent is a molecule with at least two negatively charged
groups that allow it to form complexes with metal ions with multiple
positive charges, such as lead.[119] The chelate that is thus formed
is nontoxic[120] and can be excreted in the urine, initially at up to
50 times the normal rate.[65] The chelating agents used for treatment
of lead poisoning are edetate disodium calcium (CaNa2EDTA),
dimercaprol (BAL), which are injected, and succimer and d-
penicillamine, which are administered orally.[121] Chelation therapy
is used in cases of acute lead poisoning,[18] severe poisoning, and
encephalopathy,[116] and is considered for people with blood lead
levels above 25 µg/dL.[23] While the use of chelation for people with
symptoms of lead poisoning is widely supported, use in asymptomatic
people with high blood lead levels is more controversial.[9]
Chelation
therapy is of limited value for cases of chronic exposure to low
levels of lead. (end quote)

So, where's the proper doubt about Greg Lemond's story? Don't forget,
he knows there is very, very little chance he will be contradicted,
both due to the "omerta" he so roundly despises in public, and the
fact that there are no Greg Lemond B samples sitting in a freezer
somewhere to be test test tested.
Not to mention the fact that Greg himself might not know what was
really in his medications. Of course, he's still responsible, no
matter what...
--D-y

Search back to 1994 or 1995 here on rbr when I noted that
mitochondrial
myopathy, which Lemond was diagnosed with and claimed was caused by
the
lead in his system, could not be caused lead poisoning. I noted back
then that this illness was genetic in etiology. There was one other
possibe etiology, according to standard internal medicine texts,to
wit,
steroid abuse.

So contrary to your stupid assertions, I have always looked at cycling
with a cynical eye regarding drugs and have never assumed that anyone
was/is clean--not even Lemond.

Time for you to crawl back under that rock. ROTFL!!

D-y wasn't talking about your specific beliefs, other than the fact
that you have a permanent woodie for LANCE.

Your specific beliefs are overshadowed by your man-crush. I know -
you're just a wide-stancer.

R
So unoriginal. ROTFLMAO!!

Yet there is a curious imbalance to when you post; didn't you pretty
much disappear during the "off" season (that being anything not
surrounding the TdF)? Doping issues come year 'round and cover a wide
number of riders, but during the 'Tour season, the focus narrows down to
a select few (or, for some, one).

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
I've been dropping in now and then to read the posts from the ever
dwindling rbr masses. You guys and with your petty personalities have
done a great job of running just about all who were really interested in
something other than engaging in a cute little dumbass mental circle jerk.
But, don't stop. It's a fun diversion when the doper in chief hits the
news.

Carry on, children. :-)

OK, let me rephrase. You make a choice to post only two months out of the
year. You choose those two months. Why have you chosen the two months you
do? I guess you answered that in your last sentence. It's all about Lance.
Why? As I said, doping is a year-round gig. Why the (admitted) focus on just
one person? The "doper in chief" as you say?

There is some real content on RBR. It's your choice whether to be part of it
or take the low road that you claim to deride.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

On 6/18/2010 8:41 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
"B. Lafferty" wrote in message
...
On 6/18/2010 4:28 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
"B. Lafferty" wrote in message
...
On 6/18/2010 12:58 PM, RicodJour wrote:
On Jun 18, 12:50 pm, "B. wrote:
On 6/18/2010 9:26 AM, --D-y wrote:

On Jun 18, 5:38 am, "B. wrote:
On 6/18/2010 12:37 AM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:

On Jun 17, 3:21 pm, "B. wrote:
On 6/17/2010 6:09 PM, Fred Gringioni wrote:

"B. wrote in message
...
: On 6/17/2010 2:25 PM, Kurgan. presented by Gringioni. wrote:
: On Jun 17, 8:55 am, "B. wrote:
: On 6/17/2010 10:51 AM, Andy Coggan wrote: On Jun 16,
7:30 pm,
wrote:
:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/post/L...-magazine-for-...


: What comes around, goes around. Maybe Outside Mag is
jumping the gun.
: Landis/Lemond underground printing press release?
: Coz
:
: Apparently the journalistic ethics of Outside Magazine are
no higher
: than those of Perez Hilton:
:
:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/sho...ar.miley.photo...


:
: Andy Coggan
:
: Outside Magazine has a pretty good reputation for
hard-nosed reporting.
:
:
:
:
: Dumbass -
:
: The piece that Krakauer did for Outside on the 1996 Everest
disaster
: was one of the biggest pieces of **** I've ever read.
Soooooo biased
: and, IMO, wrong too. Krakauer blamed Fisher's company for
everything,
: singling out Anatoli Boukreev and neglecting to place any
blame on Rob
: Hall. Lame because Boukreev is the only one who saved
anyone, Fisher's
: company didn't lose and clients and Hall's company lost a
number of
: clients. From what I could tell, Krakauer pointed those
fingers simply
: because he didn't like Boukreev.
:
: I read both Krakauer and Boukreev's books. Krakauer's
account doesn't
: add up when you look at who made it and who didn't.
:
: thanks,
:
: Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.
: I read them all as well. You're overstating again. SSDD.

Dumbass -

Not really.

He didn't lay any blame on Hall.

Fisher's company lost Fisher, but no clients. Hall's company
lost several
guides and several clients.

They both deserve blame. Krakauer let his personal bias vs.
Boukreev affect
his journalism.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Wrong news group.

Dumbass -

You said Outside had a "good reputation for hard nosed reporting".

Maybe so, but they don't shy away from printing stuff that's
extremely
biased. I gave an obvious example.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

Obvious to your "mind," indeed.
How about your mind, Brian?

This latest "Defeat of Satan" rampage has been quite something.

Greg Lemond still fits the doper profile and always will, no matter
what happens with Lucif-- I mean, Lance.

Greg? Doper profile? I've been corrected in my old "couldn't ride in
June, won in July" perception.
The history apparently is, "couldn't ride in the first weeks of the
Giro, but did well in a TT" a little later.
Forgive me if I don't look up the exact sequence, but here we are
being told that iron *injections*, which some have said do not have
immediate strong effect on athletic performance, powered an even
quicker "cure" than had earlier been perceived by me and others. A
minor miracle of science?

"It was lead poisoning"? Back at that time, I had a real, practicing
MD tell me that pellets or bullets that are not actively causing
harm
are commonly left in the body as there is no medical reason to
dig in
there and get them out.

This Wiki articlehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead_poisoning says
little danger exists from bullets or lead fragments "unless in or
near
fluid-filled or synovial areas".
Further, actual medical treatment by chelation goes well beyond an
iron "booster" shot:
(quoting):
A chelating agent is a molecule with at least two negatively charged
groups that allow it to form complexes with metal ions with multiple
positive charges, such as lead.[119] The chelate that is thus formed
is nontoxic[120] and can be excreted in the urine, initially at
up to
50 times the normal rate.[65] The chelating agents used for
treatment
of lead poisoning are edetate disodium calcium (CaNa2EDTA),
dimercaprol (BAL), which are injected, and succimer and d-
penicillamine, which are administered orally.[121] Chelation therapy
is used in cases of acute lead poisoning,[18] severe poisoning, and
encephalopathy,[116] and is considered for people with blood lead
levels above 25 µg/dL.[23] While the use of chelation for people
with
symptoms of lead poisoning is widely supported, use in asymptomatic
people with high blood lead levels is more controversial.[9]
Chelation
therapy is of limited value for cases of chronic exposure to low
levels of lead. (end quote)

So, where's the proper doubt about Greg Lemond's story? Don't
forget,
he knows there is very, very little chance he will be contradicted,
both due to the "omerta" he so roundly despises in public, and the
fact that there are no Greg Lemond B samples sitting in a freezer
somewhere to be test test tested.
Not to mention the fact that Greg himself might not know what was
really in his medications. Of course, he's still responsible, no
matter what...
--D-y

Search back to 1994 or 1995 here on rbr when I noted that
mitochondrial
myopathy, which Lemond was diagnosed with and claimed was caused
by the
lead in his system, could not be caused lead poisoning. I noted back
then that this illness was genetic in etiology. There was one other
possibe etiology, according to standard internal medicine texts,to
wit,
steroid abuse.

So contrary to your stupid assertions, I have always looked at
cycling
with a cynical eye regarding drugs and have never assumed that anyone
was/is clean--not even Lemond.

Time for you to crawl back under that rock. ROTFL!!

D-y wasn't talking about your specific beliefs, other than the fact
that you have a permanent woodie for LANCE.

Your specific beliefs are overshadowed by your man-crush. I know -
you're just a wide-stancer.

R
So unoriginal. ROTFLMAO!!

Yet there is a curious imbalance to when you post; didn't you pretty
much disappear during the "off" season (that being anything not
surrounding the TdF)? Doping issues come year 'round and cover a wide
number of riders, but during the 'Tour season, the focus narrows down to
a select few (or, for some, one).

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
I've been dropping in now and then to read the posts from the ever
dwindling rbr masses. You guys and with your petty personalities have
done a great job of running just about all who were really interested
in something other than engaging in a cute little dumbass mental
circle jerk. But, don't stop. It's a fun diversion when the doper in
chief hits the news.

Carry on, children. :-)

OK, let me rephrase. You make a choice to post only two months out of
the year. You choose those two months. Why have you chosen the two
months you do? I guess you answered that in your last sentence. It's all
about Lance. Why? As I said, doping is a year-round gig. Why the
(admitted) focus on just one person? The "doper in chief" as you say?

There is some real content on RBR. It's your choice whether to be part
of it or take the low road that you claim to deride.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
Sadly there is far, far less content on rbr these days thanks to all the
"dumbasses" who have driven a host of good people away. The rbr of
today IS the low road. It's especially fun to set the children off
whenever Lace is in the doping news. It has nothing to do with th racing
season. And the children are fun to watch now and then all year round.
Carry on.