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"Mountain biking is no more damaging than other forms of recreation, including hiking."
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:59:20 -0700, cc wrote: Mike, I am stating my opinion. My interpretation of the facts. I am being honest, and I think you are wrong. Get it straight, idiot. At least when I state my OPINION I am clear about it. That is a requisite of science. Something which you clearly know nothing about. That last sentence is an ASSERTION OF FACT that is FALSE. That is known as a "lie". You didn't say it was an opinion. So, no, you are NOT honest, nor do you know anything about science. You mean the same "lie" that you use to reference the knowledge or comrehension skills of the "average mountain biker"? Why can you make a blanket statement about someone's credentials, but someone else can not make that same statement concerning you? Your "PhD" does not give you some sort of license on knowledge or information. Hell - Its not even in the field you claim to be an "expert" in! Your OPINION that you are an "expert" is not a filter to determine the validity of anyone else's opinions or statements. |
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"Mountain biking is no more damaging than other forms of recreation, including hiking."
"S Curtiss" wrote in message news:9UAlg.6673$FR1.6123@dukeread05... [newswgroups trimmed] "Edward Dolan" wrote in message news:O7ydnesHu7fefQnZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@prairiewave. com... My point of view from the outset has been that I do not want to share hiking trails with bikers. For me it all has to do with the different mental attitudes that the two groups bring to recreation in the out of doors. These attitudes are not reconcilable. They are as different as night and day. That is the MAIN reason I do not want bikers on hiking trails. I do not believe I can say it any clearer than that. So why not just say that? Why all this "my sacred trails" and mysticism and pure souls and such? You have the option of hiking in many places without bikes. You also have the knowledge that shared use areas may have cyclists. Choose your environment. My main point which I like to make over and over is that bikers and hikers do not get along at all well on hiking trails. It does not have so much to do with impacts on the trail itself or even on wildlife, but rather on the kind of attitudes we bring to nature and to wilderness. "We" bring...? Don't you mean "you" bring. I've seen many trails... Not one has a voting booth to select you as a spokesman. I have noticed mountain bikers like to travel in groups and are into fun and games for the most part. They treat nature like it is a playground. We hikers are not constituted that way. The fact that you have so little grasp of the hiker mentality tells me all I will ever have to know about you. I called you soulless once before and I meant it. You can no more speak for "hikers" as a group as you can for "mountain bikers". Each individual has their motives. Again, I do not recall a vote to elect you as a spokesman for anyone but yourself. You are trying to portray all persons who take a walk in the woods to have the same motives as you. Nonsense. Besides, I have a grasp on your motives and mentality, I just do not accept that is the same for everyone who hikes. Curtiss, I would like you and Vandeman to trim the following newsgroups from your posts: rec.bicycles.misc, alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent All you need do is just delete the above groups from the headers of your posts. It is very simple to do and only takes a second. It is now apparent to me that we there is no one on the above two groups who are interested in the slightest with your ongoing war. I will continue to monitor rec.bicycles.soc and that group along with alt.mountain-bike go together. I will NOT however monitor alt.mountain-bike because I consider everyone there to be an idiot. However, I will see your posts and Vandeman's posts on rec.bicycles.soc and can respond from that group if I so choose. The important thing is to eliminate rec.bicycles.misc and alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent from your posts. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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"Mountain biking is no more damaging than other forms of recreation, including hiking."
"Edward Dolan" wrote in
: "S Curtiss" wrote in message news:9UAlg.6673$FR1.6123@dukeread05... [newswgroups trimmed] "Edward Dolan" wrote in message news:O7ydnesHu7fefQnZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@prairiewave. com... My point of view from the outset has been that I do not want to share hiking trails with bikers. For me it all has to do with the different mental attitudes that the two groups bring to recreation in the out of doors. These attitudes are not reconcilable. They are as different as night and day. That is the MAIN reason I do not want bikers on hiking trails. I do not believe I can say it any clearer than that. So why not just say that? Why all this "my sacred trails" and mysticism and pure souls and such? You have the option of hiking in many places without bikes. You also have the knowledge that shared use areas may have cyclists. Choose your environment. My main point which I like to make over and over is that bikers and hikers do not get along at all well on hiking trails. It does not have so much to do with impacts on the trail itself or even on wildlife, but rather on the kind of attitudes we bring to nature and to wilderness. "We" bring...? Don't you mean "you" bring. I've seen many trails... Not one has a voting booth to select you as a spokesman. I have noticed mountain bikers like to travel in groups and are into fun and games for the most part. They treat nature like it is a playground. We hikers are not constituted that way. The fact that you have so little grasp of the hiker mentality tells me all I will ever have to know about you. I called you soulless once before and I meant it. You can no more speak for "hikers" as a group as you can for "mountain bikers". Each individual has their motives. Again, I do not recall a vote to elect you as a spokesman for anyone but yourself. You are trying to portray all persons who take a walk in the woods to have the same motives as you. Nonsense. Besides, I have a grasp on your motives and mentality, I just do not accept that is the same for everyone who hikes. Curtiss, I would like you and Vandeman to trim the following newsgroups from your posts: rec.bicycles.misc, alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent All you need do is just delete the above groups from the headers of your posts. It is very simple to do and only takes a second. It is now apparent to me that we there is no one on the above two groups who are interested in the slightest with your ongoing war. I will continue to monitor rec.bicycles.soc and that group along with alt.mountain-bike go together. I will NOT however monitor alt.mountain-bike because I consider everyone there to be an idiot. We all feel you are an idiot, but yet we still continue to post to you. However, I will see your posts and Vandeman's posts on rec.bicycles.soc and can respond from that group if I so choose. The important thing is to eliminate rec.bicycles.misc and alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent from your posts. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Trimming Newsgroups Please was "Mountain biking ...
"Chris Foster" wrote in message 05.47... [...] Edward Dolan wrote: Curtiss [and others], I would like you and Vandeman to trim the following newsgroups from your posts: rec.bicycles.misc, alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent All you need do is just delete the above groups from the headers of your posts. It is very simple to do and only takes a second. It is now apparent to me that we there is no one on the above two groups who are interested in the slightest with your ongoing war. I will continue to monitor rec.bicycles.soc and that group along with alt.mountain-bike go together. I will NOT however monitor alt.mountain-bike because I consider everyone there to be an idiot. We all feel you are an idiot, but yet we still continue to post to you. These mountain bike threads can continue to be posted to RBS where we can see them and reply to them if we so choose. My main newsgroup will be ARBR and to a much lesser degree RBS and RBM. However, these threads having to do with mountain bikes on hiking trails should no longer be posted to ARBR and RBM as there is no one on these two groups that is interested in the subject and consequently those threads are not wanted. By the way, everyone in the entire world knows that Ed Dolan the Great is not an idiot, but it is lots of fun for him to pretend to be an idiot from time to time. He does this for the amusement and edification of all the real idiots who infest these newsgroups like the pox. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota However, I will see your posts and Vandeman's posts on rec.bicycles.soc and can respond from that group if I so choose. The important thing is to eliminate rec.bicycles.misc and alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent from your posts. |
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"Mountain biking is no more damaging than other forms of recreation, including hiking."
On 20 Jun 2006 15:06:41 GMT, Chris Foster
wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote in : On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:41:01 -0700, SMS wrote: S Curtiss wrote: I have noticed mountain bikers like to travel in groups and are into fun and games for the most part. They treat nature like it is a playground. We hikers are not constituted that way. The fact that you have so little grasp of the hiker mentality tells me all I will ever have to know about you. I called you soulless once before and I meant it. You can no more speak for "hikers" as a group as you can for "mountain bikers". Each individual has their motives. Again, I do not recall a vote to elect you as a spokesman for anyone but yourself. You are trying to portray all persons who take a walk in the woods to have the same motives as you. At least in my area, it's the hikers that tend to travel in large groups. I've seen groups of more than 50 hikers up on Mount Tam, when the Sierra Club singles group has one of their larger hikes, and I've been on some of those hikes when I was single. Not much solitude. Mountain bikers tend to either be alone, or in a group of two to four people. I live close to a large open space preserve that is open to mountain bikes, and this is what I have observed. Also, the hikers tend to be much noisier, because they are close enough to each other to engage in conversations, while the mountain bikers are riding without talking. There are plenty of places to hike where mountain bikes are prohibited, It SOUNDS good, but I have never been on a hiking trail that didn't have mountain bike tracks on it from illegal mountain biking. And, no, it is NOT just A FEW bad apples. There are plenty to go around.... I have, plenty of them. I have NEVER seen mountain bike tracks in RMNP. Good. but rarely will you find solitude until you're very far from the trail head. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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"Mountain biking is no more damaging than other forms of recreation, including hiking."
"Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... "S Curtiss" wrote in message news:9UAlg.6673$FR1.6123@dukeread05... [newswgroups trimmed] "Edward Dolan" wrote in message news:O7ydnesHu7fefQnZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@prairiewave. com... My point of view from the outset has been that I do not want to share hiking trails with bikers. For me it all has to do with the different mental attitudes that the two groups bring to recreation in the out of doors. These attitudes are not reconcilable. They are as different as night and day. That is the MAIN reason I do not want bikers on hiking trails. I do not believe I can say it any clearer than that. So why not just say that? Why all this "my sacred trails" and mysticism and pure souls and such? You have the option of hiking in many places without bikes. You also have the knowledge that shared use areas may have cyclists. Choose your environment. My main point which I like to make over and over is that bikers and hikers do not get along at all well on hiking trails. It does not have so much to do with impacts on the trail itself or even on wildlife, but rather on the kind of attitudes we bring to nature and to wilderness. "We" bring...? Don't you mean "you" bring. I've seen many trails... Not one has a voting booth to select you as a spokesman. I have noticed mountain bikers like to travel in groups and are into fun and games for the most part. They treat nature like it is a playground. We hikers are not constituted that way. The fact that you have so little grasp of the hiker mentality tells me all I will ever have to know about you. I called you soulless once before and I meant it. You can no more speak for "hikers" as a group as you can for "mountain bikers". Each individual has their motives. Again, I do not recall a vote to elect you as a spokesman for anyone but yourself. You are trying to portray all persons who take a walk in the woods to have the same motives as you. Nonsense. Besides, I have a grasp on your motives and mentality, I just do not accept that is the same for everyone who hikes. Curtiss, I would like you and Vandeman to trim the following newsgroups from your posts: WTF... Why did you add them in the first place? I never did... I hit reply and send. If you want to change usenet and broaden discussion, then say something interesting! But do NOT come to me to fix your blunder. I read your silly apologetic drivel about making ARBR more lively... You were surprised about the focused interest in the NGs? Why do you thing they have different titles? Hanging with Vandeman has dumbed you down, dude! rec.bicycles.misc, alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent All you need do is just delete the above groups from the headers of your posts. It is very simple to do and only takes a second. It is now apparent to me that we there is no one on the above two groups who are interested in the slightest with your ongoing war. I will continue to monitor rec.bicycles.soc and that group along with alt.mountain-bike go together. I will NOT however monitor alt.mountain-bike because I consider everyone there to be an idiot. ....that was, however, smart enough to not post mountain bike topics to ARBR However, I will see your posts and Vandeman's posts on rec.bicycles.soc and can respond from that group if I so choose. The important thing is to eliminate rec.bicycles.misc and alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent from your posts. Have at it. You made the mess - You clean it up. And I'll enjoy watching the "not so great" Conan the Librarian push the broom. |
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To the Death was "Mountain biking ...
"di" wrote in message news:Zzkmg.10240$FR1.4578@dukeread05... "Edward Dolan" wrote in message news:L5KdnYq2zOChUgTZnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@prairiewave. com... [...] The one and only thing his like ever understands is a good swift kick in the ass. That is what I am here for. Like I've said before, name the time and place. I suggest dueling pistols at dawn down by the riverside on the banks of the Ohio. I will try to get Tom Sherman to be my second, but he has made himself scarce of late and I don't know if I can find him. No doubt, you have some scofflaws you could spare who could be my second if I am unable to get Tom Sherman. It is extremely important that all of this be done with the utmost honor, as that is the only thing that matters to me at my present stage of life. I will expect you to be dressed in your best formal attire as will I. I think 10 paces will be about right as my eyesight is not what it used to be. I think we should also use black powder firearms in order to enhance the dignity of the occasion. I will go down to the local pawn shop and see what I can find. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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To the Death was "Mountain biking ...
"cc" wrote in message ... Edward Dolan wrote: "di" wrote in message news:Zzkmg.10240$FR1.4578@dukeread05... "Edward Dolan" wrote in message news:L5KdnYq2zOChUgTZnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@prairiewa ve.com... [...] The one and only thing his like ever understands is a good swift kick in the ass. That is what I am here for. Like I've said before, name the time and place. I suggest dueling pistols at dawn down by the riverside on the banks of the Ohio. I will try to get Tom Sherman to be my second, but he has made himself scarce of late and I don't know if I can find him. No doubt, you have some scofflaws you could spare who could be my second if I am unable to get Tom Sherman. It is extremely important that all of this be done with the utmost honor, as that is the only thing that matters to me at my present stage of life. I will expect you to be dressed in your best formal attire as will I. I think 10 paces will be about right as my eyesight is not what it used to be. I think we should also use black powder firearms in order to enhance the dignity of the occasion. I will go down to the local pawn shop and see what I can find. Ok, Ed. That's funny. You're not much of an arguer, but you are a decent clown. At last ... someone to appreciate me! We clowns are desperate for a little feed back from time to time. Instead all I get from these freaking newsgroups are serious types who take me seriously. Of course, sometimes I am serious, but mostly I am not. It is really strange how so many do not seem to know how to read me. However, it may be my fault. I will have to work on my writing skills more. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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To the Death was "Mountain biking ...
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:57:36 -0500, "Edward Dolan"
wrote: "di" wrote in message news:Zzkmg.10240$FR1.4578@dukeread05... "Edward Dolan" wrote in message news:L5KdnYq2zOChUgTZnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@prairiewave. com... [...] The one and only thing his like ever understands is a good swift kick in the ass. That is what I am here for. Like I've said before, name the time and place. I suggest dueling pistols at dawn down by the riverside on the banks of the Ohio. I will try to get Tom Sherman to be my second, but he has made himself scarce of late and I don't know if I can find him. No doubt, you have some scofflaws you could spare who could be my second if I am unable to get Tom Sherman. It is extremely important that all of this be done with the utmost honor, Please don't ever use "honor" and "mountain biker" in the same sentence. I don't want to gag. as that is the only thing that matters to me at my present stage of life. I will expect you to be dressed in your best formal attire as will I. I think 10 paces will be about right as my eyesight is not what it used to be. I think we should also use black powder firearms in order to enhance the dignity of the occasion. I will go down to the local pawn shop and see what I can find. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
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To the Death was "Mountain biking ...
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 18:57:36 -0500, "Edward Dolan" wrote: It is extremely important that all of this be done with the utmost honor, Please don't ever use "honor" and "mountain biker" in the same sentence. I don't want to gag. You should be used to it - after choking out your nonsense for years. Your OPINION of off-road cycling is not a filter for determining the character of those involved. |
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