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  #11  
Old June 23rd 09, 07:17 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
Brian Huntley
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On Jun 22, 4:30*pm, DougC wrote:
If someone liked bicycling, I would wonder why they would choose to live
an an urban area to begin with. It's rather like a professional
snow-skier living in the middle of Death Valley.


I didn't bike daily as an adult UNTIL I moved downtown. It's simply
the best way to get around here (Toronto) for short distances (up to
about 10 km.)
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Old June 23rd 09, 11:56 PM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
Tom Keats
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In article ,
"ZBicyclist" writes:
wrote:
Doug Cimper wrote (in the subjunctive):

If someone liked bicycling, I would wonder why they would choose
to
live an an urban area to begin with. It's rather like a
professional snow-skier living in the middle of Death Valley.


I think that perception ignores why people live in Chicago, which
is
probably to enable employment in a chosen profession. Being a
bicyclist is likely coincidental and less important than earning a
living and employment in a field where useful achievement is
possible.


We certainly don't live here for the climate!


Well Chicago does have that wonderful
http://bikewinter.org
thing.

And I wouldn't be surprised if the "heat islands" created
by cities render winter urban cycling at least somewhat
more doable than riding in less real-estately developed
environs a little further afield.

I understand the summers can get pretty hot 'n sultry
along the shores of the Great Lakes. And that old
moniker: The Windy City doesn't bode well for lazy-assed
riders who always seek the path of least resistance.

So I figure Chicagoans live there to support The Cubs.
It's a nice thought, anyways.


cheers,
Tom

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  #13  
Old June 24th 09, 12:26 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
Tom Sherman °_°
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Tom Keats wrote:
[...]
So I figure Chicagoans live there to support The Cubs.
It's a nice thought, anyways.

Them thar fightin' words to South Side White Sox fans!

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Old June 24th 09, 12:27 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
Tom Sherman °_°
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Tom Keats wrote:
In article ,
DougC writes:
Bob wrote:
The Chicago Sun-Times ran an online poll today asking, "Which occupant
of Chicago streets is more annoying: bikers, drivers or pedestrians?"
The result? 44% found cyclists to be more annoying than drivers (43%)
or pedestrians (12%). Sounds pretty conclusive, doesn't it. Ah, but
wait- only 264 votes were cast. There are roughly 10 million people in
the Chicago metro area. If only 10% of those drive (a conservative
guesstimate) that is still a million people. 264 out of a million
doesn't sound like a very meaningful survey group to me but some on
either 'side' will point to the survey as proof we need more
legislation, more bike paths, more education, etcetera when all we
really need is to just laugh such silliness off and go ride.

Regards,
Bob

P.S.- And if we happen to be riding in the Chicago metro area we
should try not to annoy the 116 that voted us most annoying. g

If someone liked bicycling, I would wonder why they would choose to live
an an urban area to begin with. It's rather like a professional
snow-skier living in the middle of Death Valley.
~


I wonder why so many people opt to drive their POV/SOV cars
for short, infra-city trips. So many traffic lights,
trying to find parking spots, so much bulky machinery just
to convey one or two people around. And when it comes to
maneouverability, cars are such awkward, lumbering
mechanical beasts; they hold up the rest of the traffic
when they're being parallel-parked, sometimes it takes a
few attempts. In the city, cars get in the way of other
cars, riders and pedestrians, much more than riders and
pedestrians get in the way of cars. By bike-riding in the
city, one avoids being an impediment to fellow citizens,
while also avoiding being impeded by fellow citizens.
I find it more sociable and civilised.

Your last sentence is key.

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Old June 24th 09, 01:04 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
Tom Keats
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In article ,
Tom Sherman °_° writes:
Tom Keats wrote:
In article ,
DougC writes:
Bob wrote:
The Chicago Sun-Times ran an online poll today asking, "Which occupant
of Chicago streets is more annoying: bikers, drivers or pedestrians?"
The result? 44% found cyclists to be more annoying than drivers (43%)
or pedestrians (12%). Sounds pretty conclusive, doesn't it. Ah, but
wait- only 264 votes were cast. There are roughly 10 million people in
the Chicago metro area. If only 10% of those drive (a conservative
guesstimate) that is still a million people. 264 out of a million
doesn't sound like a very meaningful survey group to me but some on
either 'side' will point to the survey as proof we need more
legislation, more bike paths, more education, etcetera when all we
really need is to just laugh such silliness off and go ride.

Regards,
Bob

P.S.- And if we happen to be riding in the Chicago metro area we
should try not to annoy the 116 that voted us most annoying. g
If someone liked bicycling, I would wonder why they would choose to live
an an urban area to begin with. It's rather like a professional
snow-skier living in the middle of Death Valley.
~


I wonder why so many people opt to drive their POV/SOV cars
for short, infra-city trips. So many traffic lights,
trying to find parking spots, so much bulky machinery just
to convey one or two people around. And when it comes to
maneouverability, cars are such awkward, lumbering
mechanical beasts; they hold up the rest of the traffic
when they're being parallel-parked, sometimes it takes a
few attempts. In the city, cars get in the way of other
cars, riders and pedestrians, much more than riders and
pedestrians get in the way of cars. By bike-riding in the
city, one avoids being an impediment to fellow citizens,
while also avoiding being impeded by fellow citizens.
I find it more sociable and civilised.

Your last sentence is key.


Actually my whole blurb is.


cheers,
Tom

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  #16  
Old June 24th 09, 03:27 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
Bob
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On Jun 23, 1:08*am, Jym Dyer wrote:
The Chicago Sun-Times ran an online poll today asking, "Which
occupant of Chicago streets is more annoying: *bikers, drivers
or pedestrians?"


=v= I hate when newspapers do these thoroughly-unscientific
"polls" on topics that are entirely about emotion. *They may as
well ask which race is the most annoying and print the results
without any demographic breakdown.
* * _Jym_


That's an easy one- the human race.

Regards,
Bob
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Old June 24th 09, 03:28 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
Tom Keats
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In article ,
Tom Sherman °_° writes:
Tom Keats wrote:
[...]
So I figure Chicagoans live there to support The Cubs.
It's a nice thought, anyways.

Them thar fightin' words to South Side White Sox fans!


Hey, if yer AL team blows it, you've still got the NL guys
to maybe attract some good visitor teams for a while.

Perish the thought of me getting on the wrong side of
South Side ChiSox fans. Even though the Yankees apparently
have it in the bag (yet again.) Unless Boston can once
again obviate The Curse of the Babe, and drive that nail
home fer good. The upcoming All-Stars might be telling.

It became easier for the BoSox to obviate The Curse of the Babe
when The Curse of Billy Martin was lifted. (But it still
took a long while.)

The Cubs without Harry Carey's bad singing ain't the same.
I think they should cajole Alice Cooper to get into the
press box, and stick a microphone in his hand.

I still recall the early '80s playoffs, when The Twins'
Tom Whatshisface refused to shake hands with Detroit's
Sparky Anderson. I'm sure no Chicago player: Al, NL,
AAA, AA, Beer League, Little League or PeeWee would
behave like that.

cheers,
Tom

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  #18  
Old June 24th 09, 03:31 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
Bob
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On Jun 23, 5:56*pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:

So I figure Chicagoans live there to support The Cubs.
It's a nice thought, anyways.


I don't follow professional baseball and I don't care about the
Cubs... but I repeat myself.

Regards,
Bob (with an apology to Mark Twain)
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Old June 24th 09, 03:48 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
Tom Sherman °_°
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Bob Hunt wrote:
On Jun 23, 1:08 am, Jym Dyer wrote:
The Chicago Sun-Times ran an online poll today asking, "Which
occupant of Chicago streets is more annoying: bikers, drivers
or pedestrians?"

=v= I hate when newspapers do these thoroughly-unscientific
"polls" on topics that are entirely about emotion. They may as
well ask which race is the most annoying and print the results
without any demographic breakdown.
_Jym_


That's an easy one- the human race.

Is the human race UCI sanctioned?

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Old June 24th 09, 04:22 AM posted to rec.bicycles.misc
Tom Keats
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In article ,
Bob writes:
On Jun 23, 5:56*pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:
So I figure Chicagoans live there to support The Cubs.
It's a nice thought, anyways.

I don't follow professional baseball and I don't care about the
Cubs... but I repeat myself.
Regards,
Bob (with an apology to Mark Twain)


I like that.

Hey, Bob, It's good to hear from you again.

I hope you're inclined to stick around, some.


cheers,
Tom

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