uber 2, cyclists nil

the cyclist claims she was stopped at a red light.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...m-9858166.html

On 13/11/2014 16:51, Mrcheerful wrote:

the cyclist claims she was stopped at a red light.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...m-9858166.html


Private hire car driver uninsured for hire and reward.

Not news.

Move along there, nothing to see.

On 13/11/2014 17:12, JNugent wrote:
On 13/11/2014 16:51, Mrcheerful wrote:

the cyclist claims she was stopped at a red light.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...m-9858166.html



Private hire car driver uninsured for hire and reward.

Not news.

Move along there, nothing to see.


I would have thought UBER would make basic driver checks for insurance
and licence?

Generally I support the UBER concept but there does need to be some
checks. Maybe legislation is needed?

On 14/11/2014 11:55, Nick wrote:

On 13/11/2014 17:12, JNugent wrote:
On 13/11/2014 16:51, Mrcheerful wrote:

the cyclist claims she was stopped at a red light.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...m-9858166.html

Private hire car driver uninsured for hire and reward.
Not news.
Move along there, nothing to see.

I would have thought UBER would make basic driver checks for insurance
and licence?
Generally I support the UBER concept but there does need to be some
checks. Maybe legislation is needed?

Legislation is in existence. And frequently flouted in various respects.

On 16/11/2014 15:31, JNugent wrote:

I would have thought UBER would make basic driver checks for insurance
and licence?
Generally I support the UBER concept but there does need to be some
checks. Maybe legislation is needed?

Legislation is in existence. And frequently flouted in various respects.

Yes of course legislation is in existence. As with many similar things
it is easier to check a large organisation is compliant than a whole
host of independent taxi drivers. So legislate so that UBER can only
offer their services to TAXI drivers who have provided proof of
insurance and licensing. Simple really.

On 16/11/2014 23:54, Nick wrote:

On 16/11/2014 15:31, JNugent wrote:

I would have thought UBER would make basic driver checks for insurance
and licence?
Generally I support the UBER concept but there does need to be some
checks. Maybe legislation is needed?

Legislation is in existence. And frequently flouted in various respects.

Yes of course legislation is in existence. As with many similar things
it is easier to check a large organisation is compliant than a whole
host of independent taxi drivers. So legislate so that UBER can only
offer their services to TAXI drivers who have provided proof of
insurance and licensing. Simple really.

1. Buy some hire and reward insurance (it's expensive) on credit.

2. Show the licensing authority and the operator that the cover is
current on the day the annual licence starts.

3. Get the licence (for a year). Start with the operator.

4. As soon as (3) has been done, cancel the credit deal and the
insurance. Operate with ordinary car insurance (if even that).

Licensing authorities and operators can operate as strictly as they
like, it's never going to be adequate because they aren't going to check
for insurance cover for every shift. The only way it could be made
certain would be for the operator to own and insure all the vehicles and
employ the drivers.

On 17/11/2014 02:09, JNugent wrote:


1. Buy some hire and reward insurance (it's expensive) on credit.

2. Show the licensing authority and the operator that the cover is
current on the day the annual licence starts.

3. Get the licence (for a year). Start with the operator.

4. As soon as (3) has been done, cancel the credit deal and the
insurance. Operate with ordinary car insurance (if even that).

Licensing authorities and operators can operate as strictly as they
like, it's never going to be adequate because they aren't going to check
for insurance cover for every shift. The only way it could be made
certain would be for the operator to own and insure all the vehicles and
employ the drivers.


This is 2015. The technology to provide near real-time insurance checks
is relatively simple. The motor insurance database (MID) is updated
within days. Given that such a database exist it would be relatively
cheap and simple to provide a facility for daily (or even per job
offered) checks to companies like UBER.

I think most reasonable people know the best way to prevent crime is to
improve detection, rather than the severe punishments oft promoted in
the media. Here is an example of how it could be done in a cheap
flexible way without resorting to the old authoritarian model of large
company and employee.

Nick put finger to keyboard:

On 17/11/2014 02:09, JNugent wrote:


1. Buy some hire and reward insurance (it's expensive) on credit.

2. Show the licensing authority and the operator that the cover is
current on the day the annual licence starts.

3. Get the licence (for a year). Start with the operator.

4. As soon as (3) has been done, cancel the credit deal and the
insurance. Operate with ordinary car insurance (if even that).

Licensing authorities and operators can operate as strictly as they
like, it's never going to be adequate because they aren't going to
check for insurance cover for every shift. The only way it could be
made certain would be for the operator to own and insure all the
vehicles and employ the drivers.


This is 2015.

Your argument didn't start well :-)

On 18/11/2014 14:03, Scion wrote:

This is 2015.

Your argument didn't start well :-)

At first glance it may appear to be incorrect but ....