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Emanuel Berg wrote:
" writes: Too expensive??? The cross brake levers Ralph's bike. Half the price of SMS's preferred Koga Traveller. |
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jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 3:44:30 PM UTC-7, wrote: On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 4:39:50 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 1:24:10 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 3:13:25 PM UTC-4, Emanuel Berg wrote: jbeattie writes: Shockingly, the vaunted Koga signature World Traveler is made out of 6061 like my old Cannondale T1000. That was a great touring bike, although it wouldn't fit giant tires -- but I never wanted giant tires. That article draws interesting distinctions between true touring bikes and randonettes, which, according to Tim, should be the proper designation. Who knew that I needed a touring bike that could carry 45-50 kgs -- just in case I hit a deer and need to take it with me. I rode across the US with less than 45 pounds 20 kg is still a lot, I aim for around 12 including water and everything. Then again I never crossed the US on a bike so I'm not messing with results. I still want a steel frame tho I usually carried 30 - 35 pounds total when traveling alone. That included tent, sleeping bag, maybe a camp stove and some food. I always thought I took too much, but I was never able to get my load much under 30 pounds, unless it was "credit card touring," staying entirely in motels. Going coast to coast, I think I carried 40 pounds on my bike. But some of that was stuff I carried for my ladies. It also included that backpacking stove and food, which in retrospect was silly. They have restaurants. - Frank Krygowski When I hit the heat on the other side of the Rockies (going east), I mailed half of my gear back home -- including my rain gear. You don't need it for the Mid-West, mid-day deluge. Nothing will prevent you from getting soaked, but then you dry out in about ten minutes. My stove went back, too. It was too hot to cook. -- Jay Beattie. In all of my loaded touring I have never used a stove or cooked my own food. Too simple for the past 25 years to just eat in restaurants or buy food already to eat. Gas stations, convenience stores, grocery stores all have food ready to eat. No need to cook raw food on a bicycle trip. At worst just carry a can opener and buy a can of chicken breast or tuna and a couple cans of pork and beans. Tasty meal. Add some bread and raw fruit and you have a feast. You're missing out on ramen! Hot chocolate at night is nice, but its all optional. A lot of stuff is optional, even when you're camping. But then again, I have no idea what it is like to do the Amazon tour or the Tibetan plateau tour. I've ridden in some remote areas of the West, but not that remote. No need for a satellite phone or 50kg of gear. I take quinine, but only in gin and tonic. -- Jay Beattie. Coming from New Orleans, I can highly recommend quinine to protect against malaria. Having some now with Bombay Sapphire. Throw in some vitamin c and you should be good to go. Doing it for years and no malaria. Works in the great north as well. I’ve done some camping and some camping by bike. Canned chicken was not something I’d consider. Didn’t even know it was a thing. Better to bring a rod and reel and get some catfish. -- duane |
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On 27/05/18 23:49, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/27/2018 6:52 AM, Emanuel Berg wrote: The Fuji bike also has 36 spoke wheels, or as they put it, it has Â*Â*Â*Â* Vera Terra DPM18, double wall, 36/36h, Shimano Â*Â*Â*Â* Deore hubs [1] That sounds straightforward only why do they say "36" twice? To say there are 36 holes on the hub as well? Makes sense, right? Or do they mean the front/rear wheel? Perhaps someone got the idea to reinforce the rear wheel with more spokes than the front ditto, e.g. to have 36 rear and 32 front (or 28/32). Then you could write the bike has 32/36h rims - practical! Perhaps for randonneuring/heavy touring one would even want 40 or 48 spokes on the rear wheel? Back when the Earth was young, The Ancients discovered that 32h front/40h rear is as close to perfect as one might imagine. Adds some niggling cost and therefore abandoned. Why not tow a trailer? http://www.bobgear.com/bike-trailers/yak No need for special racks and bags on the bike. By swapping the cranks and cassette, I could use my otherwise regular road bike to go touring! -- JS |
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On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 4:24:15 PM UTC-7, Duane wrote:
jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 3:44:30 PM UTC-7, wrote: On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 4:39:50 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 1:24:10 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 3:13:25 PM UTC-4, Emanuel Berg wrote: jbeattie writes: Shockingly, the vaunted Koga signature World Traveler is made out of 6061 like my old Cannondale T1000. That was a great touring bike, although it wouldn't fit giant tires -- but I never wanted giant tires. That article draws interesting distinctions between true touring bikes and randonettes, which, according to Tim, should be the proper designation. Who knew that I needed a touring bike that could carry 45-50 kgs -- just in case I hit a deer and need to take it with me. I rode across the US with less than 45 pounds 20 kg is still a lot, I aim for around 12 including water and everything. Then again I never crossed the US on a bike so I'm not messing with results. I still want a steel frame tho I usually carried 30 - 35 pounds total when traveling alone. That included tent, sleeping bag, maybe a camp stove and some food. I always thought I took too much, but I was never able to get my load much under 30 pounds, unless it was "credit card touring," staying entirely in motels. Going coast to coast, I think I carried 40 pounds on my bike. But some of that was stuff I carried for my ladies. It also included that backpacking stove and food, which in retrospect was silly. They have restaurants. - Frank Krygowski When I hit the heat on the other side of the Rockies (going east), I mailed half of my gear back home -- including my rain gear. You don't need it for the Mid-West, mid-day deluge. Nothing will prevent you from getting soaked, but then you dry out in about ten minutes. My stove went back, too. It was too hot to cook. -- Jay Beattie. In all of my loaded touring I have never used a stove or cooked my own food. Too simple for the past 25 years to just eat in restaurants or buy food already to eat. Gas stations, convenience stores, grocery stores all have food ready to eat. No need to cook raw food on a bicycle trip. At worst just carry a can opener and buy a can of chicken breast or tuna and a couple cans of pork and beans. Tasty meal. Add some bread and raw fruit and you have a feast. You're missing out on ramen! Hot chocolate at night is nice, but its all optional. A lot of stuff is optional, even when you're camping. But then again, I have no idea what it is like to do the Amazon tour or the Tibetan plateau tour. I've ridden in some remote areas of the West, but not that remote. No need for a satellite phone or 50kg of gear. I take quinine, but only in gin and tonic. -- Jay Beattie. Coming from New Orleans, I can highly recommend quinine to protect against malaria. Having some now with Bombay Sapphire. Throw in some vitamin c and you should be good to go. Doing it for years and no malaria. Works in the great north as well. I’ve done some camping and some camping by bike. Canned chicken was not something I’d consider. Didn’t even know it was a thing. Better to bring a rod and reel and get some catfish. One of my favorite gin and tonic experiences -- on a tour, sitting on the deck with my wife at Little River Inn near Mendocino, Ca. Right he https://www.dailyrepublic.com/files/...nn_Balcony.jpg There is a campground down below. No catfish, but you can get salmon. We were on a tour from PDX to San Jose. It was dreary on the coast so we cut inland to wine country, and I wine tasted myself into a spectacular headache. Lessons learned: (1) remember to drink water on hot days and not just wine, and (2) make absolutely sure your head is not pointed downhill in your tent when you go to bed at night after drinking wine all day. -- Jay Beattie. |
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On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 6:24:15 PM UTC-5, Duane wrote:
jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, May 26, 2018 at 3:44:30 PM UTC-7, wrote: In all of my loaded touring I have never used a stove or cooked my own food. Too simple for the past 25 years to just eat in restaurants or buy food already to eat. Gas stations, convenience stores, grocery stores all have food ready to eat. No need to cook raw food on a bicycle trip. At worst just carry a can opener and buy a can of chicken breast or tuna and a couple cans of pork and beans. Tasty meal. Add some bread and raw fruit and you have a feast. I’ve done some camping and some camping by bike. Canned chicken was not something I’d consider. Didn’t even know it was a thing. Better to bring a rod and reel and get some catfish. -- duane Canned chicken is sold right next to the canned tuna. I assume your grocery stores sell canned tuna? The canned chicken is breast meat. Better tasting than tuna. Rod and reel? I've heard more than a few stories of people fishing all day and not catching a single fish. Not the way I want to plan my supper. I like sure things. Opening up a can of tuna or chicken is a sure thing. Fishing 1, 2, 3, 6, 12 hours for one fish? Carrying a rod and bait? |
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On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 7:29:09 PM UTC-5, James wrote:
Why not tow a trailer? http://www.bobgear.com/bike-trailers/yak No need for special racks and bags on the bike. By swapping the cranks and cassette, I could use my otherwise regular road bike to go touring! Yes Bob trailers work for touring with a road racing bicycle. Some people love them. But they have their downsides too. The bike handles very differently. And the trailer weighs about 15 pounds all by itself empty. Far more than the weight of racks on a touring bike. And the plastic bag on the Bob weighs more than the four panniers too. And its easy to carry too much with a Bob because you have all this space to carry stuff. Lot of people make the error of filling up every spare space. And there is the problem of transporting the Bob trailer. Bikes in the past flew as free luggage. Not anymore. But now after paying for the bike box, you ALSO have to pay for the trailer box too. Paying on both ends of your trip. Assuming your trips require airlines. |
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On 5/27/2018 8:29 PM, James wrote:
Why not tow a trailer? http://www.bobgear.com/bike-trailers/yak No need for special racks and bags on the bike.Â* By swapping the cranks and cassette, I could use my otherwise regular road bike to go touring! I guess they work for some people, especially if you're guaranteed to never need motorized transport at any point in your trip. We used the trailer feature of our folding Bikes Friday on our first trip to Europe with those bikes. https://www.bikefriday.com/folding-b...th-trailer.jpg (That's their photo, not mine.) The idea is, the bike is designed to fit in the suitcase so it flies without hassle from airlines. When you arrive, you take the suitcase with you, trailer-style. An upside was that we had nothing but handlebar bags on our bikes. All our clothing, etc. stayed in the trailer, so we could park the trailer in the B&B or hotel and use the bikes easily in cities. And of course, it meant the suitcase that carries the bike on the airplane would be with us the entire trip; that enabled us to land and depart from different airports. Downsides? It's a much bulkier package overall, even when looking for a place to lean the bikes against a wall. Getting on and off mass transit was much more of an adventure, and so was finding space on board mass transit. Squeezing through tight spaces was challenging. There are more points of failure, starting with extra tires of an odd size. (I once scraped against a bollard at a bike trail entrance and lost the clip assembly that held on a trailer wheel. Others have had more serious failures.) Total weight is higher than a bike with packs, and you certainly feel it uphill. Tight corners can be a challenge, due to the trailer cutting the corner. Getting the rig up even two stair steps is a challenge... and so on. On subsequent trips, I left the trailers at home. I fitted the bikes with rear racks and used Rick Steves bags https://store.ricksteves.com/shop/p/classic-backpack sitting vertically above the rear wheel. (I added a clip to help attach the top of the bag to the seatpost.) We found this to be much more convenient overall. YMMV. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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AMuzi writes:
Back when the Earth was young, The Ancients discovered that 32h front/40h rear is as close to perfect as one might imagine. Adds some niggling cost and therefore abandoned. Sounds great, I'd like it! Don't the Asian (Indian) transport bikes have 40 spokes? -- underground experts exiled |
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