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Old September 7th 18, 05:07 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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Default Official pedal cyclist road deaths in 2016 ex DOT/NHTSA/FARS(Fatality Analysis Reporting System)

On 9/7/2018 11:08 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2018 08:28:21 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 9/7/2018 12:05 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Thu, 6 Sep 2018 11:23:28 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
wrote:

Here's a factoid that may inspire questions about candidates intentions to make riding a bike to school safer, in a half-term election in which half the candidates will rage against school shooters and the NRA:
"More students are killed riding their bikes than by school shooters."

Andre Jute
Executive summary

None of the shooters were riding bicycles at the time of the
shootings. Therefore, bicycle riding should be encouraged as a means
of deterring further student school shootings and for identifying the
rider as a non-shooter.

Well, maybe not:
https://www.google.com/search?q=bicycle+gun&tbm=isch


I've linked news items about both cycling victims and perps
here before. AFAIK we haven't seen a bicycle suicide bomber yet.


Unfortunately, it's been done:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netzarim_Junction_bicycle_bombing
https://www.voanews.com/a/voa-africa/4282922.html
https://www.tolonews.com/afghanistan/suicide-bomber-arrested%C2%A0-kabul-explosive-rigged-bicycle
Mo
https://www.google.com/search?q=bicycle+suicide+bomber



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Old September 9th 18, 07:31 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sun, 09 Sep 2018 00:02:17 -0500, Tim McNamara
wrote:

On Thu, 6 Sep 2018 16:24:45 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

I take that to indicate that a large number of bicyclists deaths are
the homeless or nearly homeless, drunk or nearly so, and riding
probably at night with no lights.


Or the driver of the motor vehicle was drunk or nearly so.

As for homeless/nearly homeless and/or riding at night without lights,
you are reading into the small amount of information Jute provided.
Perhaps there is more detail in the NHTSA link he provided, which I have
not yet looked at.


A number of surveys of bicycle accidents indicate that as many as
half, or more, involve the cyclist disobeying one traffic regulation,
or another and reports from autopsies of cyclists killed in accidents
showed that (in New York) as many as 21% had been drinking (6% of auto
drivers who were involved in a auto - bicycle accident had been
drinking).

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...v22-story.html
https://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2...d-bike-deaths/

It might be noted that these reports are not of the "Well, it is
estimated..." or "It seems as though...", but are statistics, for
example:

"in 2011, officers determined fault in 701 crashes between a bicyclist
and a motorist in which a cyclist was hurt or killed, according to the
reports, submitted to California's Statewide Integrated Traffic
Records System. Cyclists were found to be the party most at fault in
390 of those crashes, or 56 percent of the time, the records show."

It seems odd, to say the least, that these facts, and facts they are,
are never mentioned by bicycle safety advocates.

As Pogo said, "we have met the enemy... and he is us."
(at least 56% of the time)
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Old September 9th 18, 04:45 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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Default Official pedal cyclist road deaths in 2016 ex DOT/NHTSA/FARS(Fatality Analysis Reporting System)

On 9/9/2018 2:31 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 09 Sep 2018 00:02:17 -0500, Tim McNamara
wrote:

On Thu, 6 Sep 2018 16:24:45 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

I take that to indicate that a large number of bicyclists deaths are
the homeless or nearly homeless, drunk or nearly so, and riding
probably at night with no lights.


Or the driver of the motor vehicle was drunk or nearly so.

As for homeless/nearly homeless and/or riding at night without lights,
you are reading into the small amount of information Jute provided.
Perhaps there is more detail in the NHTSA link he provided, which I have
not yet looked at.


A number of surveys of bicycle accidents indicate that as many as
half, or more, involve the cyclist disobeying one traffic regulation,
or another and reports from autopsies of cyclists killed in accidents
showed that (in New York) as many as 21% had been drinking (6% of auto
drivers who were involved in a auto - bicycle accident had been
drinking).

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...v22-story.html
https://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2...d-bike-deaths/

It might be noted that these reports are not of the "Well, it is
estimated..." or "It seems as though...", but are statistics, for
example:

"in 2011, officers determined fault in 701 crashes between a bicyclist
and a motorist in which a cyclist was hurt or killed, according to the
reports, submitted to California's Statewide Integrated Traffic
Records System. Cyclists were found to be the party most at fault in
390 of those crashes, or 56 percent of the time, the records show."

It seems odd, to say the least, that these facts, and facts they are,
are never mentioned by bicycle safety advocates.

As Pogo said, "we have met the enemy... and he is us."
(at least 56% of the time)


Year after year, it's been consistently shown that a quarter of dead
bicyclists have been drinking.

Back in 2007 or 2008, Dr. David Crocker of Austin Texas tried a new
tactic in his long-running campaign to get an all-ages mandatory helmet
law enacted. He tracked 200 bicyclists admitted to the local hospital
trauma center. He wanted to prove the relationship between helmet use
and traumatic brain injury (TBI). He also tracked alcohol use.

To his disappointment, he found that alcohol use was strongly correlated
with TBI, but that the presence or absence of a helmet was not
correlated with TBI in a statistically significantly way.

Those who brag about carrying growlers of beer on their bikes should
probably pay attention.


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Old September 9th 18, 06:03 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Andre Jute[_2_]
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Default Official pedal cyclist road deaths in 2016 ex DOT/NHTSA/FARS(Fatality Analysis Reporting System)

On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 7:31:12 AM UTC+1, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 09 Sep 2018 00:02:17 -0500, Tim McNamara
wrote:

On Thu, 6 Sep 2018 16:24:45 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

I take that to indicate that a large number of bicyclists deaths are
the homeless or nearly homeless, drunk or nearly so, and riding
probably at night with no lights.


Or the driver of the motor vehicle was drunk or nearly so.

As for homeless/nearly homeless and/or riding at night without lights,
you are reading into the small amount of information Jute provided.
Perhaps there is more detail in the NHTSA link he provided, which I have
not yet looked at.


A number of surveys of bicycle accidents indicate that as many as
half, or more, involve the cyclist disobeying one traffic regulation,
or another and reports from autopsies of cyclists killed in accidents
showed that (in New York) as many as 21% had been drinking (6% of auto
drivers who were involved in a auto - bicycle accident had been
drinking).

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...v22-story.html
https://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2...d-bike-deaths/

It might be noted that these reports are not of the "Well, it is
estimated..." or "It seems as though...", but are statistics, for
example:

"in 2011, officers determined fault in 701 crashes between a bicyclist
and a motorist in which a cyclist was hurt or killed, according to the
reports, submitted to California's Statewide Integrated Traffic
Records System. Cyclists were found to be the party most at fault in
390 of those crashes, or 56 percent of the time, the records show."

It seems odd, to say the least, that these facts, and facts they are,
are never mentioned by bicycle safety advocates.

As Pogo said, "we have met the enemy... and he is us."
(at least 56% of the time)


Exactly. I would regard these "The dead cyclist was drunk" reports with some suspicion when they come from a motorist's mouth, even when I accept other data from the same report. The cyclist, being dead, is by definition not there to deny the accusation, and the motorist may use it as exoneration. On the other hand, a pathologist's report that the cyclist showed on analysis a particular blood alcohol dose falls clearly in a more reliable class of data.

Andre Jute
Statistics sooner or later becomes bias confirmation, but only after people changed their minds on hand of statistics. -- Andre Jute, Chairman's valedictory to MASA
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Old September 9th 18, 06:10 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 4:45:39 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/9/2018 2:31 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:

or another and reports from autopsies of cyclists killed in accidents
showed that (in New York) as many as 21% had been drinking (


Year after year, it's been consistently shown that a quarter of dead
bicyclists have been drinking.


John's "as many as 21%" is nearer to a fifth than your inflated "quarter". Show us proof, Franki-boy, not your prejudices. Oh, and "consistently" requires several separate, independent pieces of proof.

It's this sort of hostile exaggeration that causes other cyclists to consider you an enemy of cycling, Franki-boy.

Andre Jute
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Old September 9th 18, 09:19 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 4:58:33 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Friday, September 7, 2018 at 12:24:47 AM UTC+1, wrote:
On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 11:18:17 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
The      US national road safety facts for 2016 were published in May 2018 but I haven't seen them mentioned here yet. From the FARS (Fatality Analysis Reporting System):

Overview:
• In 2016, there were 840 pedalcyclists killed in motor vehicle traffic crashes in the United States, an increase from 829 in 2015. Pedalcyclist deaths accounted for 2.2 percent of all motor vehicle traffic fatalities (Table 1).
• The number of pedalcyclists killed in 2016 is 1.3 percent higher than the 829 pedalcyclists killed in 2015.

Key Findings:
• There were 840 pedal cyclist deaths in 2016, which accounted for 2.2 percent of all traffic fatali- ties during the year.
• Seventy-one percent of pedal cyclists who died in motor vehicle crashes in 2016 died in crashes in urban areas.
• From 2007 to 2016, the average age of pedal cyclists killed in motor vehicle crashes increased from 40 to 46.
• The pedal cyclist fatality rate per million people was 5.6 times higher for males than females in 2016.
• Alcohol involvement—either for the motor vehicle operator or for the pedalcyclist—was reported in 35 percent of all fatal pedal cyclist crashes in 2016.
• More than 26 percent of the pedal cyclists who died in 2016 had blood alcohol concentrations (BACs) of .01 g/dL or greater.

See much more analysis via the DOT portal at: https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api...ication/812507

Andre Jute
The facts illuminate and calm emotions


I take that to indicate that a large number of bicyclists deaths are the homeless or nearly homeless, drunk or nearly so, and riding probably at night with no lights.


Unless you cite a verifiable authority or analysis from linked studies, that's just straightforward slander. It's also a regular mantra from the nastiest of the local AHZ.

Andre Jute


What do you need Andre? The article shows 71% in urban areas, 62% not at an intersection or in a bicycle lane and 49% after dark or at dawn or dusk. Do you find that hard to interpret or is it simply your position that anyone other than me can use deductive reasoning?
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Old September 9th 18, 09:26 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 10:03:20 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 7:31:12 AM UTC+1, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Sun, 09 Sep 2018 00:02:17 -0500, Tim McNamara
wrote:

On Thu, 6 Sep 2018 16:24:45 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

I take that to indicate that a large number of bicyclists deaths are
the homeless or nearly homeless, drunk or nearly so, and riding
probably at night with no lights.

Or the driver of the motor vehicle was drunk or nearly so.

As for homeless/nearly homeless and/or riding at night without lights,
you are reading into the small amount of information Jute provided.
Perhaps there is more detail in the NHTSA link he provided, which I have
not yet looked at.


A number of surveys of bicycle accidents indicate that as many as
half, or more, involve the cyclist disobeying one traffic regulation,
or another and reports from autopsies of cyclists killed in accidents
showed that (in New York) as many as 21% had been drinking (6% of auto
drivers who were involved in a auto - bicycle accident had been
drinking).

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...v22-story.html
https://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2...d-bike-deaths/

It might be noted that these reports are not of the "Well, it is
estimated..." or "It seems as though...", but are statistics, for
example:

"in 2011, officers determined fault in 701 crashes between a bicyclist
and a motorist in which a cyclist was hurt or killed, according to the
reports, submitted to California's Statewide Integrated Traffic
Records System. Cyclists were found to be the party most at fault in
390 of those crashes, or 56 percent of the time, the records show."

It seems odd, to say the least, that these facts, and facts they are,
are never mentioned by bicycle safety advocates.

As Pogo said, "we have met the enemy... and he is us."
(at least 56% of the time)


Exactly. I would regard these "The dead cyclist was drunk" reports with some suspicion when they come from a motorist's mouth, even when I accept other data from the same report. The cyclist, being dead, is by definition not there to deny the accusation, and the motorist may use it as exoneration. On the other hand, a pathologist's report that the cyclist showed on analysis a particular blood alcohol dose falls clearly in a more reliable class of data.

Andre Jute
Statistics sooner or later becomes bias confirmation, but only after people changed their minds on hand of statistics. -- Andre Jute, Chairman's valedictory to MASA


Where do you believe that a cyclist death would not end in a trial? And in what country do you believe that a motorist's word of a cyclist being drunk or drugged would be acceptable as evidence?
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Old September 9th 18, 09:41 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 10:10:18 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 4:45:39 PM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/9/2018 2:31 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:

or another and reports from autopsies of cyclists killed in accidents
showed that (in New York) as many as 21% had been drinking (


Year after year, it's been consistently shown that a quarter of dead
bicyclists have been drinking.


John's "as many as 21%" is nearer to a fifth than your inflated "quarter".. Show us proof, Franki-boy, not your prejudices. Oh, and "consistently" requires several separate, independent pieces of proof.

It's this sort of hostile exaggeration that causes other cyclists to consider you an enemy of cycling, Franki-boy.

Andre Jute
Cycling is definitely kinder to your knees than jogging


Andre, I don't know where you live but it is pretty much a common problem in California that we have homeless encampments everywhere. Until they finally cleaned it up after months there was one in Oakland three blocks from city hall. All of these people ride bicycles everywhere and these are eventually cleaned out not because of the horror of that many homeless being on the streets but because of used hypodermic needles in large piles and the sidewalks being covered with human feces. If they clean out an encampment of 50 people they are likely to find 1,000 bicycles mostly stolen and broken down. Do you live on Mars? The city allows this sort of thing when they could put portapoties there and clean them daily for a pittance what it eventually costs.
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Old September 9th 18, 11:55 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Andre Jute[_2_]
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Default Official pedal cyclist road deaths in 2016 ex DOT/NHTSA/FARS(Fatality Analysis Reporting System)

On Sunday, September 9, 2018 at 9:19:34 PM UTC+1, wrote:
On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 4:58:33 PM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
On Friday, September 7, 2018 at 12:24:47 AM UTC+1, wrote:
On Thursday, September 6, 2018 at 11:18:17 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
The      US national road safety facts for 2016 were published in May 2018 but I haven't seen them mentioned here yet. From the FARS (Fatality Analysis Reporting System):

Overview:
• In 2016, there were 840 pedalcyclists killed in motor vehicle traffic crashes in the United States, an increase from 829 in 2015. Pedalcyclist deaths accounted for 2.2 percent of all motor vehicle traffic fatalities (Table 1).
• The number of pedalcyclists killed in 2016 is 1.3 percent higher than the 829 pedalcyclists killed in 2015.

Key Findings:
• There were 840 pedal cyclist deaths in 2016, which accounted for 2.2 percent of all traffic fatali- ties during the year.
• Seventy-one percent of pedal cyclists who died in motor vehicle crashes in 2016 died in crashes in urban areas.
• From 2007 to 2016, the average age of pedal cyclists killed in motor vehicle crashes increased from 40 to 46.
• The pedal cyclist fatality rate per million people was 5..6 times higher for males than females in 2016.
• Alcohol involvement—either for the motor vehicle operator or for the pedalcyclist—was reported in 35 percent of all fatal pedal cyclist crashes in 2016.
• More than 26 percent of the pedal cyclists who died in 2016 had blood alcohol concentrations (BACs) of .01 g/dL or greater.

See much more analysis via the DOT portal at: https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api...ication/812507

Andre Jute
The facts illuminate and calm emotions

I take that to indicate that a large number of bicyclists deaths are the homeless or nearly homeless, drunk or nearly so, and riding probably at night with no lights.


Unless you cite a verifiable authority or analysis from linked studies, that's just straightforward slander. It's also a regular mantra from the nastiest of the local AHZ.

Andre Jute


What do you need Andre? The article shows 71% in urban areas, 62% not at an intersection or in a bicycle lane and 49% after dark or at dawn or dusk. Do you find that hard to interpret or is it simply your position that anyone other than me can use deductive reasoning?


Come off it, Tom; you know better than to think I'd pick on you for no reason at all. The thing is, for a radical conclusion such as yours, you need more than one supporting reference point. This is especially true in this forum because the execrable Krygowski, a generally unreliable witness and wannabe polemicist of unbelievable malice, has long sullied the water with pejorative exaggerations about cycle fatalities. There's another one of Krygowski's distortions just yesterday, where he inflated the 21% that you quoted to "a quarter".

Andre Jute
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