Cyclists waste petrol

"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 03:24:35 +0100, rbowman wrote:

On 09/26/2018 12:47 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
You currently have no dollar coin?!

Effectively, no.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dollar...(United_States)

I probably have one around here someplace. I thought I'd found it but it
turned out to be a token for the carousel.

We also have a two dollar bill. I've got one that I'm using as a
bookmark. They never took off either.

We do not have a three dollar bill, leading to the expression 'as queer
as a three dollar bill'.

There is a 50 cent coin, again rarely seen. It's redundant since you can
make any sum with 1, 5, 10, and 25.

We have 1,2,5,10,20,50,100,200 pence coins. They're all equally used.
Why use two 25 cent coins when you can use a 50?

Because that's what you happen to have, stupid.

"Jimmy Wilkinson Knife" wrote in message
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 03:09:15 +0100, rbowman wrote:

On 09/26/2018 10:55 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
I've seen places for rent at twice the cost of my mortgage, and the
house is half the size. That's a fourfold difference.

And I've seen the counter-example.

Maybe different in another country.

Nope.

In the UK landlords have so many ****ing hoops to jump through for
electrical and fire safety, it costs them a fortune to rent out,

Bull****.

plus of course half the tenants wreck the joint and run off.

Its nothing like half.

Finally, if you live in an RV you get to keep it. And modify it. Lot
rent is quite a bit less than rental properties.

I take it RV means campervan? Those depreciate way faster than houses.

If you don't plan on selling it who cares? Besides, as you argued for
automobiles, buy them used after they depreciate.

Still a lot of repairs to do, like rust,

A decent one doesn't rust.

and the engine of course.

A decent one doesn't need any repairs to that. In spades when you live in
it.

Living in a tent isn't bad. I lived in my pickup for much of 1988 and
1989. Technically I suppose I was homeless but it was my choice. Home
was anyplace in the US where I parked it.

I need space for belongings.

When I left NH if it didn't fit in the pickup I didn't need it. Right
now I've been stationary too long and the **** is accumulating. MP3s and
Kindles are great inventions; electrons take up a lot less room than
books, tapes, and CDs.

Almost every time I've thrown something away I've wanted it 6 months
later.

On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 09:25:22 +0100, TMS320 wrote:

On 09/09/18 00:51, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sat, 08 Sep 2018 23:33:41 +0100, TMS320 wrote:

On 08/09/18 13:51, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

When a cyclist uses a busy road, he slows down all the cars, making them
less efficient, using a lower gear, overtaking, changing speed, etc. So
you *******s aren't green at all.

So a cyclist just causes petrol to be used that they would have used had
they gone by car. Except not as much.

Probably a lot more.

Perhaps you don't understand what I meant? Let's say you do a journey
and would normally consume 1 litre. A person on a bike slows you down
for a short distance and you now consume 1.05 litres over your journey.

It would require the cyclist to do a particularly short journey and to
affect a lot of drivers before total fuel consumed was higher than if
the cyclist went by car.

You're only thinking of my car and not the other 100 cars that are also slowed down.

I measured my fuel consumption when I had a VW
Golf with a real time readout of miles per gallon. It was surprising
how much difference you could make by changing speed.

You have a consumption readout? Wow.
Instantaneous figures are mostly meaningless. Only the average matters.

Absolute and utter bull****. If I maintain a constant speed, both instantaneous and average are the same.

Alternatively, with more cars are on the roads you have to wait longer
at junctions. Sitting stationary isn't free.

It uses **** all actually.

Idling might not but the process of stopping and starting and creeping
forward in a queue does.

Creeping forwards at a constant 5mph doesn't use much at all actually.

And if people wouldn't go so ****ing slow, you wouldn't have to wait so
long.

So when other people use the roads it happens that you get stuck behind
them however they choose to travel. That is the way it is.

Not if everyone drove at an equally fast speed and didn't dither at junctions.

On 09/29/2018 03:43 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 22:03:58 +0100, rbowman wrote:

On 09/29/2018 12:53 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:
It's a PLANT. A naturally occurring plant.

So is jimponweed. Want some?

The point is illegalising a naturally occurring thing is insane.

I tend to agree. afaik jimsonweed or amanita muscaria aren't illegal but
travelers' accounts suggest you don't want to take their trips.

On 09/29/2018 03:41 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

Cost to the customer should dictate ones further away will be less
likely to be bought, so I guess they were different carpets.

Presumably. They were all 12' rolls so I never saw the working side.
Furniture was the same deal. There still are furniture factories in the
south eastern US while most of the furniture I loaded on the west coast
was from Asia.

Other products weren't so easy to rationalize. I don't know about the UK
but the Sunday papers (when people still read the Sunday papers) have a
lot of colorful advertising brochures and other crap that most people
strip out and use to wrap garbage. I picked up a lot of those in Boulder
CO to take to Baltimore MD, which is about 1600 miles. Nobody on the
east coast can print useless stuff?

The whole scheme depends on cheap transportation / cheap fuel. Keep
those container ships and trucks rolling!

On 09/29/2018 03:46 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

We have 1,2,5,10,20,50,100,200 pence coins. They're all equally used.
Why use two 25 cent coins when you can use a 50?

No idea. Almost all the coin trays have 5 buckets but the fifth is most
often used to hold paper clips, rubber bands, or other small items.

One explanation is the half dollar was the last of the coins to contain
silver and when the silver prices went up they were hoarded and fell out
of circulation. By the time the composite coins came out people had
gotten away from using them.

Chicken or egg, but most vending machines and the pay phones didn't take
them.

The US did have 2 and 3 cent pieces in the 1800's. There was the naive
thought that a coin's bullion value should match its face value so there
was some jockeying around. The nickel won the popularity contest.

The 20 cent piece didn't last long either. That was a political move by
the silver miners to have the government buy more silver.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Gold_speech

The US has solved that problem. None of the coinage has real worth
although you can make sort of a low grade zamak out of pennies.
Illegally, of course.

On 09/29/2018 03:48 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

Finally, if you live in an RV you get to keep it. And modify it. Lot
rent is quite a bit less than rental properties.

I take it RV means campervan? Those depreciate way faster than houses.

If you don't plan on selling it who cares? Besides, as you argued for
automobiles, buy them used after they depreciate.

Still a lot of repairs to do, like rust, and the engine of course.

Aluminum doesn't rust. RV's also include trailers so there is no engine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recreational_vehicle

My brother had a motorhome but he towed a Toyota yacht tender behind it.
That's a very common practice so you have a vehicle smaller than a bus
to drive around. With the trailer, you can drop the trailer and you have
the tow vehicle for driving around.

There are quite a few full-time RVers in the US. Some are retirees,
others are younger and find employment as they go.

https://www.outsideonline.com/185778...re-you-park-it

When I hit the road it was in a pickup similar to the 3rd photo, rather
than a van or some of the pickups with larger camper shells. It was
inconspicuous and could go anyplace. I wandered around the western US
for a year, going to Arizona for the winter months, and then spent a
year as a Forest Service volunteer. It's an interesting life; you learn
to travel light and improvise.

On 9/30/18 9:57 AM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

What?* I asked why your lawmakers don't do more sensible things, other
than making everything metric, which nobody gives a **** about.

Liar

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 03:13:46 +0100, rbowman wrote:

On 09/29/2018 03:48 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

Finally, if you live in an RV you get to keep it. And modify it. Lot
rent is quite a bit less than rental properties.

I take it RV means campervan? Those depreciate way faster than houses.

If you don't plan on selling it who cares? Besides, as you argued for
automobiles, buy them used after they depreciate.

Still a lot of repairs to do, like rust, and the engine of course.

Aluminum doesn't rust. RV's also include trailers so there is no engine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recreational_vehicle

My brother had a motorhome but he towed a Toyota yacht tender behind it.
That's a very common practice so you have a vehicle smaller than a bus
to drive around. With the trailer, you can drop the trailer and you have
the tow vehicle for driving around.

There are quite a few full-time RVers in the US. Some are retirees,
others are younger and find employment as they go.

https://www.outsideonline.com/185778...re-you-park-it

When I hit the road it was in a pickup similar to the 3rd photo, rather
than a van or some of the pickups with larger camper shells. It was
inconspicuous and could go anyplace. I wandered around the western US
for a year, going to Arizona for the winter months, and then spent a
year as a Forest Service volunteer. It's an interesting life; you learn
to travel light and improvise.

I don't understand why they're still using steel on any vehicle, it's ridiculous.

On Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:49:56 +0100, rbowman wrote:

On 09/29/2018 03:46 PM, Jimmy Wilkinson Knife wrote:

We have 1,2,5,10,20,50,100,200 pence coins. They're all equally used..
Why use two 25 cent coins when you can use a 50?

No idea. Almost all the coin trays have 5 buckets but the fifth is most
often used to hold paper clips, rubber bands, or other small items.

One explanation is the half dollar was the last of the coins to contain
silver and when the silver prices went up they were hoarded and fell out
of circulation. By the time the composite coins came out people had
gotten away from using them.

Chicken or egg, but most vending machines and the pay phones didn't take
them.

The US did have 2 and 3 cent pieces in the 1800's. There was the naive
thought that a coin's bullion value should match its face value so there
was some jockeying around. The nickel won the popularity contest.

The 20 cent piece didn't last long either. That was a political move by
the silver miners to have the government buy more silver.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Gold_speech

The US has solved that problem. None of the coinage has real worth
although you can make sort of a low grade zamak out of pennies.
Illegally, of course.

Why do you have such complicated terms for your coins? Ours are just called by their value - 20p, 50p, etc.

And I don't think we've had coins made of anything anywhere near the coin's value for a long time. Although they did recently (without announcing it) change the 10p coin to one that was slightly thinner/thicker (I forget which) and a different metal to save money. This played havoc with machines that take them.

It particularly annoys me as I have a coin counter that sorts the coins and creates a "bank bag" (as in a particular amount - 20 x £1 etc that the bank likes paid in at once) of coins in each tube, simply by the total thickness of the pile. With the new 10ps it gets it wrong each time, so I just grumble at the bank teller when she says I've given her the wrong amount. I can adjust it for the new coins, but a the moment we have some of each.