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André Jute, extreme, unsuitable for purpose, dangerous, dull, overpriced
Andre Jute wrote:
The point of a recumbent is a comfortable seat and saving your back, right? Well duh! The point of a recumbent tricycle even more so, hmm? More comfort, less stress, not so? Indeed, with the added bonus of not worrying about falling due to road hazards. A recumbent trike would be the ideal geribike, one would think. So how come the things are so low you have to contort yourself and then drop 18 inches -- boing, boing -- to fall into the seat with your bum four inches from the road? Gee, for a guy who wrote a book about building specialty cars, the answer should be obvious. So how come the entire thing is so low that you are stressed out from fear of being splatted not by a bus but by a common low hatchback because the driver didn't see you? Drivers notice trikes much more than run of the mill bicycles in my experience. I've been looking into recumbents for a spot of speeding, and in particular into trikes because I already have bikes that can go fast downhill. Whatever else I buy or build must be different in some significant way, not just more of the same. (I have several upright bikes that are pretty near to perfect, for instance my Utopia Kranich lacking only an automatic Rohloff hub gearbox to be a perfect bike.) Do us a favor and stop looking. In the usual curse of bicycling, a bunch of deranged designers took a good idea -- a bike that doesn't kill your back -- to ridiculous lengths, all of course in the name of sport. Ha-ha. Customers are offered virtually nothing but extremes, and at outrageous prices. Let us see Mr. Jute build and sell one both at a profit and reasonable price. I looked only at tricycles with two front wheels. The socalled deltas with one front and two rear wheels are inherently unstable, flipovers waiting to happen. No silly, see http://www.hasebikes.com/29-1-recumbent-trike-kettwiesel-allround.html. After spending an entire night on the net I found: 1. Catbike, a major offender of the splatable lower-is-better paradigm, launching their Villager as a higher-seated, lower-priced bent trike. Thoughtless fitting out, needs the boom replaced even to swap out the useless single chainring for a triple, the old American curse of extra charges for necessary equipment. Cat's idea of a "higher" seat is still too low by a mile for their target market. Jute can not even get the name right, that is "Catrike": http://www.catrike.com/trk_villager.htm. 2. The *only* trike I found that doesn't suffer this stupid "sporting image" deficit of a too-low seat is the Anthrotech from Germany, intended for touring, commuting, even shopping. (Nobody is surprised by now that the only good bikes I can find are German or Dutch -- sometimes it looks like the last American bike designer to have his brain in gear was Keith Bontrager.) Anthrotech: http://anthrotech.de/index.html The Hase trikes are also German. So much for Jute's web search skills. 3. The technology is probably mature, and the form of the tadpole recumbent trike has settled into two ali beams at right angles for chassis and front frame, with a swing arm for the rear suspension. A dreadful dullness is creeping over the format, with only esoteric details distinguishing the different brands, and then only to the obsessed. The wheels are universally small and the ride no doubt nasty. If Jute thinks trikes are nearly as uniform as upright bicycles, he is misinformed (what else is new?). 4. The only technically interesting trikes I could find were the Tripod from The Netherlands (surprise!) and the Tripendo from Germany (surprise! surprise!), both tilting trikes, both technically interesting on several levels, both too low for daily convenience. Tripod: http://www.tripod-bikes.com/ Tripendo: http://www.tripendo.com/DEFAULT.htm Tilting trikes have their own negative issues. So much for the trikes market survey. In summary, there appear to be only one genuine all-round multifunction bike by Anthrotech, and two interesting tilting bikes by Tripod and Tripendo. The rest is a heaving mass of undistinguished sameness. Another half-assed effort from André Jute. -- Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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André Jute, extreme, unsuitable for purpose, dangerous, dull, overpriced
"Tom Sherman °_°" wrote in message ... Andre Jute wrote: [...] So how come the entire thing is so low that you are stressed out from fear of being splatted not by a bus but by a common low hatchback because the driver didn't see you? Drivers notice trikes much more than run of the mill [run-of-the-mill] bicycles in my experience. The above is not necessarily true. In any event, if and when you get run over, the driver will say for sure that he did not notice you. [...] Customers are offered virtually nothing but extremes, and at outrageous prices. Let us see Mr. Jute build and sell one both at a profit and reasonable price. Recumbents are outrageously overpriced. The very small market for them has a lot to do with it, but still it would be nice if someone would come out with a recumbent for a few hundred dollars instead of the usual thousand dollars or so. [...] Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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André Jute, extreme, unsuitable for purpose, dangerous, dull, overpriced
On May 31, 7:44*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
"Tom Sherman °_°" wrote in ... Andre Jute wrote: [...] So how come the entire thing is so low that you are stressed out from fear of being splatted not by a bus but by a common low hatchback because the driver didn't see you? Drivers notice trikes much more than run of the mill [run-of-the-mill] bicycles in my experience. The above is not necessarily true. In any event, if and when you get run over, the driver will say for sure that he did not notice you. [...] Customers are offered virtually nothing but extremes, and at outrageous prices. Let us see Mr. Jute build and sell one both at a profit and reasonable price. Recumbents are outrageously overpriced. The very small market for them has a lot to do with it, but still it would be nice if someone would come out with a recumbent for a few hundred dollars instead of the usual thousand dollars or so. [...] Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota http://www.actionbent.com/ - starting around $750. |
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André Jute, extreme, unsuitable for purpose, dangerous, dull, overpriced
"Hank Wirtz" wrote in message ... On May 31, 7:44 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: [...] Recumbents are outrageously overpriced. The very small market for them has a lot to do with it, but still it would be nice if someone would come out with a recumbent for a few hundred dollars instead of the usual thousand dollars or so. [...] http://www.actionbent.com/ - starting around $750. $750 is still way too much for a cheap recumbent. Alas, no one knows any more the meaning of cheap. I am talking about a recumbent for less than $200. Even $100 is enough for a cheap recumbent that the entire world could afford. By the way, when it comes to recumbent design, a good design costs no more than a bad design. When I was kid you could get a very nice bicycle for $40 to $60. Those truly were the good old days! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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André Jute, extreme, unsuitable for purpose, dangerous, dull, overpriced
On Jun 1, 2:44 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
snip Recumbents are outrageously overpriced. The very small market for them has a lot to do with it, but still it would be nice if someone would come out with a recumbent for a few hundred dollars instead of the usual thousand dollars or so. [...] Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota "They" have, from WalMart even. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10983235 Online only, you can avoid having to pay shipping if you have it drop shipped to your local Wally world store. |
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Some designs are cleaner than others
On Jun 1, 4:57*pm, Opus wrote:
*http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10983235 Online only, you can avoid having to pay shipping if you have it drop shipped to your local Wally world store. Nah, rather than that overdone confection, I'd go back to the clean lines of the Giant Revive, or get a USED Scooterbike like I nearly bought last year. I'm in Ireland, so by the time I've paid carriage, there won't be much difference in price! Andre Jute Visit Andre's books at http://www.audio-talk.co.uk/fiultra/THE%20WRITER'S%20HOUSE.html |
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Groucho Marx got it right
On Jun 1, 4:24*am, Hank Wirtz wrote:
On May 31, 7:44*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote: "Tom Sherman °_°" wrote in ... Andre Jute wrote: [...] So how come the entire thing is so low that you are stressed out from fear of being splatted not by a bus but by a common low hatchback because the driver didn't see you? Drivers notice trikes much more than run of the mill [run-of-the-mill] bicycles in my experience. The above is not necessarily true. In any event, if and when you get run over, the driver will say for sure that he did not notice you. [...] Customers are offered virtually nothing but extremes, and at outrageous prices. Let us see Mr. Jute build and sell one both at a profit and reasonable price. Recumbents are outrageously overpriced. The very small market for them has a lot to do with it, but still it would be nice if someone would come out with a recumbent for a few hundred dollars instead of the usual thousand dollars or so. [...] Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota http://www.actionbent.com/- starting around $750. Thanks, Wirtzie. But the nastiness of the bent riders has quite turned me off recumbents. Who would want to belong to a club such undesirables inhabit? -- Andre Jute KILLFILED FOR CAUSE by ANDRE JUTE: andresmuro Andrew Price antitroll (Peter Howard) Clive George D’ohBoy datakoll Frank Krygowski jim beam Johnny Twelve-Point landotter Michael Press PatTX Peter Howard Phil W Lee Ralph Barone russellseaton1 Sandy Still Just Me Tim McNamara Tom Sherman |
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André Jute, extreme, unsuitable for purpose, dangerous, dull, overpriced
"Opus" wrote in message ... On Jun 1, 2:44 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote: snip Recumbents are outrageously overpriced. The very small market for them has a lot to do with it, but still it would be nice if someone would come out with a recumbent for a few hundred dollars instead of the usual thousand dollars or so. [...] Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota "They" have, from WalMart even. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10983235 Online only, you can avoid having to pay shipping if you have it drop shipped to your local Wally world store. Out of stock online. They do have some cool "retard trikes" |
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Are "REtard trikes" for "REcumbent riders"?
On Jun 2, 3:23*am, "ATP*" wrote:
"Opus" wrote in message ... On Jun 1, 2:44 am, "Edward Dolan" wrote: snip Recumbents are outrageously overpriced. The very small market for them has a lot to do with it, but still it would be nice if someone would come out with a recumbent for a few hundred dollars instead of the usual thousand dollars or so. [...] Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota "They" have, from WalMart even. http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10983235 Online only, you can avoid having to pay shipping if you have it drop shipped to your local Wally world store. Out of stock online. They do have some cool "retard trikes" Are "REtard trikes" for "REcumbent riders"? Andre Jute Charisma is the art of infuriating the undeserving by merely existing elegantly |
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Groucho Marx got it right
"Andre Jute" wrote in message ... [...] Thanks, Wirtzie. But the nastiness of the bent riders has quite turned me off recumbents. Who would want to belong to a club such undesirables inhabit? -- Andre Jute KILLFILED FOR CAUSE by ANDRE JUTE: andresmuro Andrew Price antitroll (Peter Howard) Clive George D’ohBoy datakoll Frank Krygowski jim beam Johnny Twelve-Point landotter Michael Press PatTX Peter Howard Phil W Lee Ralph Barone russellseaton1 Sandy Still Just Me Tim McNamara Tom Sherman The advantage of just talking to yourself is that you will most likely never encounter any disagreement. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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