Cyclists offending against Gaia

On 11/29/2016 1:29 AM, W. Wesley Groleau wrote:
On 11-28-2016 17:42, DougC wrote:
Yea but you are wasting a bunch of resources by having a bicycle, you
know.
You don't really need that "thing" and if you weren't a hypocrite you
would just walk everywhere.
Think of all the precious resources you could have saved (for whoever?)
and all the exercise you could have gotten (that you don't want)...

"If it weren't for that blasted backhoe,
a hundred of us would have jobs with our shovels."

A few years ago, my wife, a friend and I rode the route (as close as we
could determine it) of the Ohio and Erie Canal. We read quite a lot
about canal construction back in the early 1800s, every inch of it done
by hand. Absolutely astonishing.

In those days, anyone who could lift a shovel could get a job.


--
- Frank Krygowski

goo.gl/3UKCrC

large or small metal scoop pan pulled by horses....

goo.gl/MJvxFt

I 'm looking at starting a leech farm ...

On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 9:36:14 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 12:02:27 AM UTC, Doug Landau wrote:
On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 7:11:39 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Saturday, November 26, 2016 at 4:59:10 AM UTC, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/25/2016 10:48 PM, David Scheidt wrote:
Joy Beeson wrote:
:On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 07:52:12 +0700, John B Slocomb
wrote:

: The "average Usian
: family has 1.9 automobiles. A simple reduction of cars to one per
: family would significantly reduce both Usian family debt and carbon
: emission.

:If we got rid of one of our two gasoline-powered road vehicles, carbon
:emissions would *increase*: we can do car jobs with the truck, but we
:can't do truck jobs with the car, so it would be the car that had to
:go even though the truck spends much more time sitting idle.

Or you'd adjust, and realize the 'truck jobs', whatever they are,
could be outsourced to someone with a truck, either including their
labor or by renting one.

I've found that a small car towing a small utility trailer can handle
almost any "truck job."


--
- Frank Krygowski

Christ, there's a bunch of hypocrites on this newsgroup. I haven't had a car since I sold our last estate car in 1992, a quarter-century ago, because it was growing moss just standing there like a big old dog wanting to be taken walkies. We walk, I cycle, if I want something delivered, I call the taxi service, if I need to go somewhere (or more likely have people picked up at the airport) I call the limousine guy who has a nice Rolls, and anything large I want is dropped off by the vendor. It's actually more convenient, and less of a waste of time tending to the beasts, not to have a car at all. Best of all, the exercise keeps me alive.

I'd call myself an environmentalist, except I find the environmentalists so determinedly ignorant, and faith-driven, just like the religious fundamentalists, I'm embarrassed to be associated with you.

Now listen to the worthless excuses for keeping a car -- or several.

Andre Jute
Conservationist. I practice what I preach.

Hey: Cars let get you there without sweating, and chicks dig back seats.

And the prize for the best reason for keeping a car goes to...

Andre Jute
LOL

In fact it's a chevy van with a 350 that gets about 8mpg and needs rings and has a bed in back with a nylon korean fake leopardskin blanket.

Sorry but I just can't buy in to the new puritanism guilt trip that gives so many who call themselves environmentalists and conservationists so much to point fingers about

In fact I was once kicked out of a co-op in Palo Alto for refusing to recycle the cardboard tube at the middle of the toilet paper roll. I put it in the garbage, and in the other residents minds I was already on probation for having put popsicles in the freezer. Bad Doug!

On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 12:24:56 AM UTC, Doug Landau wrote:
On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 9:36:14 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 12:02:27 AM UTC, Doug Landau wrote:
On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 7:11:39 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Saturday, November 26, 2016 at 4:59:10 AM UTC, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/25/2016 10:48 PM, David Scheidt wrote:
Joy Beeson wrote:
:On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 07:52:12 +0700, John B Slocomb
wrote:

: The "average Usian
: family has 1.9 automobiles. A simple reduction of cars to one per
: family would significantly reduce both Usian family debt and carbon
: emission.

:If we got rid of one of our two gasoline-powered road vehicles, carbon
:emissions would *increase*: we can do car jobs with the truck, but we
:can't do truck jobs with the car, so it would be the car that had to
:go even though the truck spends much more time sitting idle.

Or you'd adjust, and realize the 'truck jobs', whatever they are,
could be outsourced to someone with a truck, either including their
labor or by renting one.

I've found that a small car towing a small utility trailer can handle
almost any "truck job."


--
- Frank Krygowski

Christ, there's a bunch of hypocrites on this newsgroup. I haven't had a car since I sold our last estate car in 1992, a quarter-century ago, because it was growing moss just standing there like a big old dog wanting to be taken walkies. We walk, I cycle, if I want something delivered, I call the taxi service, if I need to go somewhere (or more likely have people picked up at the airport) I call the limousine guy who has a nice Rolls, and anything large I want is dropped off by the vendor. It's actually more convenient, and less of a waste of time tending to the beasts, not to have a car at all. Best of all, the exercise keeps me alive.

I'd call myself an environmentalist, except I find the environmentalists so determinedly ignorant, and faith-driven, just like the religious fundamentalists, I'm embarrassed to be associated with you.

Now listen to the worthless excuses for keeping a car -- or several..

Andre Jute
Conservationist. I practice what I preach.

Hey: Cars let get you there without sweating, and chicks dig back seats.

And the prize for the best reason for keeping a car goes to...

Andre Jute
LOL

In fact it's a chevy van with a 350 that gets about 8mpg and needs rings and has a bed in back with a nylon korean fake leopardskin blanket.

Sorry but I just can't buy in to the new puritanism guilt trip that gives so many who call themselves environmentalists and conservationists so much to point fingers about

In fact I was once kicked out of a co-op in Palo Alto for refusing to recycle the cardboard tube at the middle of the toilet paper roll. I put it in the garbage, and in the other residents minds I was already on probation for having put popsicles in the freezer. Bad Doug!

You just put an armlock on that prize, Doug. We may as well give it to you to keep, and not wait for your hattrick of wins, what with the politically correct already drawing breath to abuse us for even knowing you.

Andre Jute
Duck now!

On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 4:24:56 PM UTC-8, Doug Landau wrote:
On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 9:36:14 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 12:02:27 AM UTC, Doug Landau wrote:
On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 7:11:39 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Saturday, November 26, 2016 at 4:59:10 AM UTC, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/25/2016 10:48 PM, David Scheidt wrote:
Joy Beeson wrote:
:On Sat, 26 Nov 2016 07:52:12 +0700, John B Slocomb
wrote:

: The "average Usian
: family has 1.9 automobiles. A simple reduction of cars to one per
: family would significantly reduce both Usian family debt and carbon
: emission.

:If we got rid of one of our two gasoline-powered road vehicles, carbon
:emissions would *increase*: we can do car jobs with the truck, but we
:can't do truck jobs with the car, so it would be the car that had to
:go even though the truck spends much more time sitting idle.

Or you'd adjust, and realize the 'truck jobs', whatever they are,
could be outsourced to someone with a truck, either including their
labor or by renting one.

I've found that a small car towing a small utility trailer can handle
almost any "truck job."


--
- Frank Krygowski

Christ, there's a bunch of hypocrites on this newsgroup. I haven't had a car since I sold our last estate car in 1992, a quarter-century ago, because it was growing moss just standing there like a big old dog wanting to be taken walkies. We walk, I cycle, if I want something delivered, I call the taxi service, if I need to go somewhere (or more likely have people picked up at the airport) I call the limousine guy who has a nice Rolls, and anything large I want is dropped off by the vendor. It's actually more convenient, and less of a waste of time tending to the beasts, not to have a car at all. Best of all, the exercise keeps me alive.

I'd call myself an environmentalist, except I find the environmentalists so determinedly ignorant, and faith-driven, just like the religious fundamentalists, I'm embarrassed to be associated with you.

Now listen to the worthless excuses for keeping a car -- or several..

Andre Jute
Conservationist. I practice what I preach.

Hey: Cars let get you there without sweating, and chicks dig back seats.

And the prize for the best reason for keeping a car goes to...

Andre Jute
LOL

In fact it's a chevy van with a 350 that gets about 8mpg and needs rings and has a bed in back with a nylon korean fake leopardskin blanket.

Sorry but I just can't buy in to the new puritanism guilt trip that gives so many who call themselves environmentalists and conservationists so much to point fingers about

In fact I was once kicked out of a co-op in Palo Alto for refusing to recycle the cardboard tube at the middle of the toilet paper roll. I put it in the garbage, and in the other residents minds I was already on probation for having put popsicles in the freezer. Bad Doug!

But if you go down to the Paris Boulangerie (?) they cast paper and paper cups about without regard to keeping the streets clean. Though I will say Palo Alto is better than San Leandro.

On 11/29/2016 6:24 PM, Doug Landau wrote:


In fact it's a chevy van with a 350 that gets about 8mpg and needs rings and has a bed in back with a nylon korean fake leopardskin blanket.

Sorry but I just can't buy in to the new puritanism guilt trip that gives so many who call themselves environmentalists and conservationists so much to point fingers about

In fact I was once kicked out of a co-op in Palo Alto for refusing to recycle the cardboard tube at the middle of the toilet paper roll. I put it in the garbage, and in the other residents minds I was already on probation for having put popsicles in the freezer. Bad Doug!




A world without popsicles is a world already lost.

Frank Krygowski considered Tue, 29 Nov 2016
12:45:21 -0500 the perfect time to write:

On 11/29/2016 1:29 AM, W. Wesley Groleau wrote:
On 11-28-2016 17:42, DougC wrote:
Yea but you are wasting a bunch of resources by having a bicycle, you
know.
You don't really need that "thing" and if you weren't a hypocrite you
would just walk everywhere.
Think of all the precious resources you could have saved (for whoever?)
and all the exercise you could have gotten (that you don't want)...

"If it weren't for that blasted backhoe,
a hundred of us would have jobs with our shovels."

A few years ago, my wife, a friend and I rode the route (as close as we
could determine it) of the Ohio and Erie Canal. We read quite a lot
about canal construction back in the early 1800s, every inch of it done
by hand. Absolutely astonishing.

In those days, anyone who could lift a shovel could get a job.

Now, anyone who can ONLY lift a shovel is on welfare.
And is aggressively discriminated against because of it.

We actually had an education secretary here in the UK who declared
that it was a national disgrace that only half our schoolchildren
could achieve an average level of education.
I'm guessing he was part of the other 50% - proof positive that you
don't need brains to enter politics.

On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 at 9:05:20 PM UTC-5, Phil Lee wrote:
Frank Krygowski considered Tue, 29 Nov 2016
12:45:21 -0500 the perfect time to write:

On 11/29/2016 1:29 AM, W. Wesley Groleau wrote:
On 11-28-2016 17:42, DougC wrote:
Yea but you are wasting a bunch of resources by having a bicycle, you
know.
You don't really need that "thing" and if you weren't a hypocrite you
would just walk everywhere.
Think of all the precious resources you could have saved (for whoever?)
and all the exercise you could have gotten (that you don't want)...

"If it weren't for that blasted backhoe,
a hundred of us would have jobs with our shovels."

A few years ago, my wife, a friend and I rode the route (as close as we
could determine it) of the Ohio and Erie Canal. We read quite a lot
about canal construction back in the early 1800s, every inch of it done
by hand. Absolutely astonishing.

In those days, anyone who could lift a shovel could get a job.

Now, anyone who can ONLY lift a shovel is on welfare.
And is aggressively discriminated against because of it.

We actually had an education secretary here in the UK who declared
that it was a national disgrace that only half our schoolchildren
could achieve an average level of education.
I'm guessing he was part of the other 50% - proof positive that you
don't need brains to enter politics.

or read about it