Friction shifter squeal, fix?

On Monday, September 7, 2015 at 5:17:48 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2015-09-07 1:51 PM, wrote:
On Monday, September 7, 2015 at 4:37:01 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2015-09-07 12:56 PM, Ian Field wrote:

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On Monday, September 7, 2015 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
Folks,

Lately my old Shimano 600 friction shifter levers let off an annoying
squeal when moving them. Shifting is ok but it's embarrassing when other
road bikers are around.

A drop of oil didn't help. Can I use some sort of lube on their inner
surfaces? LiquiMoly LM48 maybe? Some other trick? Wanted to ask here
before I do something where they'll never work right anymore and someone
will say "Oh, you shouldn't have done that".

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

I've never seen this before but I can imagine after all these years
that bearing surface is probably dried out with caked dirt and grease.
Set the levers parallel with the downtube and rotate the wheels so
that the derailleurs go to their neutral positions (small cog and
smallest ring). This should give enough slack to unscrew and remove
the levers. Remember that you can get some slack by rotating the
derailleurs a little.

Using WD40 or some such to cut through the sludge clean the bearing
surfaces including inside of the levers. Make sure there is nothing
remaining of any junk. Inspect closely for any cracks in the downtube
mounts and in the lever bodies.


GT85 is the new WD40 - its Teflon fortified.

If grease is required - Finish-Line Teflon fortified bicycle grease is
hard to beat.


Better yet, use the Griswold stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSdm_eA1Css

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

GREASED A FRICTION SHIFTER ?


Just did, per Tom's and Andrew's advice. Seems to work. All I wanted was
that it stops emitting this loud squeak every time I shift and it did stop.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

not interested in what cawsed squeaking ?

whatill the rear wheel squeeks n falls off

like the alleged nut on Concorde's runway

On Mon, 07 Sep 2015 11:48:22 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

Folks,

Lately my old Shimano 600 friction shifter levers let off an annoying
squeal when moving them. Shifting is ok but it's embarrassing when other
road bikers are around.

A drop of oil didn't help. Can I use some sort of lube on their inner
surfaces? LiquiMoly LM48 maybe? Some other trick? Wanted to ask here
before I do something where they'll never work right anymore and someone
will say "Oh, you shouldn't have done that".

There isn't much inside a (I am assuming R.H.) 600 shifter. I think I
would ask whether you have the selector set all the way to friction,
or indexed, and whether you have disconnected the shifter from the
derailer and tried that?

You might want to have a look at:
https://shimanostioverhaul.wordpress...ar-reassembly/
or http://tinyurl.com/ptrpcp2
or
http://bicycles.stackexchange.com/qu...r-installation

I've got 600 - 7 speed shifters on the"New Old Bike" that I took off a
previous "new old bike" and all they do is click :-)

--
cheers,

John B.

On 9/7/2015 2:29 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2015-09-07 12:06 PM, wrote:
On Monday, September 7, 2015 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-7, Joerg
wrote:
Folks,

Lately my old Shimano 600 friction shifter levers let off an
annoying squeal when moving them. Shifting is ok but it's
embarrassing when other road bikers are around.

A drop of oil didn't help. Can I use some sort of lube on
their
inner surfaces? LiquiMoly LM48 maybe? Some other trick?
Wanted to
ask here before I do something where they'll never work
right
anymore and someone will say "Oh, you shouldn't have done
that".

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

I've never seen this before but I can imagine after all
these years
that bearing surface is probably dried out with caked dirt
and
grease. Set the levers parallel with the downtube and
rotate the
wheels so that the derailleurs go to their neutral
positions (small
cog and smallest ring). This should give enough slack to
unscrew and
remove the levers. Remember that you can get some slack by
rotating
the derailleurs a little.

Using WD40 or some such to cut through the sludge clean
the bearing
surfaces including inside of the levers. Make sure there
is nothing
remaining of any junk. Inspect closely for any cracks in
the downtube
mounts and in the lever bodies.

Re-lube with a light grease and NOT OIL upon reassembly.
Bearings are
not supposed to have oil on them. They are supposed to be
greased.
Make sure that the cables are in the grooves for them on
the levers.


Thank you. I just tried your recipe with the FD shifter and
ball bearing grease sparingly applied. Now it needs to be
tightened a bit more than usual in order not to gradually
slide back and it makes a slight grinding noise but ... no
more squeal. Next ride is tomorrow and if this works I'll do
the same with the RD shifter.

The inner black steel ring with the two locking notches had
some rust on it.


Grease or machine oil work equally well for that.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2015-09-08 4:38 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/7/2015 2:29 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2015-09-07 12:06 PM, wrote:
On Monday, September 7, 2015 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-7, Joerg
wrote:
Folks,

Lately my old Shimano 600 friction shifter levers let off an
annoying squeal when moving them. Shifting is ok but it's
embarrassing when other road bikers are around.

A drop of oil didn't help. Can I use some sort of lube on
their
inner surfaces? LiquiMoly LM48 maybe? Some other trick?
Wanted to
ask here before I do something where they'll never work
right
anymore and someone will say "Oh, you shouldn't have done
that".

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

I've never seen this before but I can imagine after all
these years
that bearing surface is probably dried out with caked dirt
and
grease. Set the levers parallel with the downtube and
rotate the
wheels so that the derailleurs go to their neutral
positions (small
cog and smallest ring). This should give enough slack to
unscrew and
remove the levers. Remember that you can get some slack by
rotating
the derailleurs a little.

Using WD40 or some such to cut through the sludge clean
the bearing
surfaces including inside of the levers. Make sure there
is nothing
remaining of any junk. Inspect closely for any cracks in
the downtube
mounts and in the lever bodies.

Re-lube with a light grease and NOT OIL upon reassembly.
Bearings are
not supposed to have oil on them. They are supposed to be
greased.
Make sure that the cables are in the grooves for them on
the levers.


Thank you. I just tried your recipe with the FD shifter and
ball bearing grease sparingly applied. Now it needs to be
tightened a bit more than usual in order not to gradually
slide back and it makes a slight grinding noise but ... no
more squeal. Next ride is tomorrow and if this works I'll do
the same with the RD shifter.

The inner black steel ring with the two locking notches had
some rust on it.


Grease or machine oil work equally well for that.


I did both now. Works quite well. Long term I'll have to do something
about those steel guide slots underneath the BB. We have a lot of dirt
and bush roads where crud cakes itself in there.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On 2015-09-07 3:32 PM, wrote:
On Monday, September 7, 2015 at 5:17:48 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2015-09-07 1:51 PM, wrote:
On Monday, September 7, 2015 at 4:37:01 PM UTC-4, Joerg wrote:
On 2015-09-07 12:56 PM, Ian Field wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Monday, September 7, 2015 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
Folks,

Lately my old Shimano 600 friction shifter levers let off an annoying
squeal when moving them. Shifting is ok but it's embarrassing when other
road bikers are around.

A drop of oil didn't help. Can I use some sort of lube on their inner
surfaces? LiquiMoly LM48 maybe? Some other trick? Wanted to ask here
before I do something where they'll never work right anymore and someone
will say "Oh, you shouldn't have done that".

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

I've never seen this before but I can imagine after all these years
that bearing surface is probably dried out with caked dirt and grease.
Set the levers parallel with the downtube and rotate the wheels so
that the derailleurs go to their neutral positions (small cog and
smallest ring). This should give enough slack to unscrew and remove
the levers. Remember that you can get some slack by rotating the
derailleurs a little.

Using WD40 or some such to cut through the sludge clean the bearing
surfaces including inside of the levers. Make sure there is nothing
remaining of any junk. Inspect closely for any cracks in the downtube
mounts and in the lever bodies.


GT85 is the new WD40 - its Teflon fortified.

If grease is required - Finish-Line Teflon fortified bicycle grease is
hard to beat.


Better yet, use the Griswold stuff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSdm_eA1Css

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

GREASED A FRICTION SHIFTER ?


Just did, per Tom's and Andrew's advice. Seems to work. All I wanted was
that it stops emitting this loud squeak every time I shift and it did stop.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

not interested in what cawsed squeaking ?

whatill the rear wheel squeeks n falls off

like the alleged nut on Concorde's runway


I never had an aircraft try to take off after me. So far.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On 2015-09-07 6:58 PM, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 07 Sep 2015 11:48:22 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

Folks,

Lately my old Shimano 600 friction shifter levers let off an annoying
squeal when moving them. Shifting is ok but it's embarrassing when other
road bikers are around.

A drop of oil didn't help. Can I use some sort of lube on their inner
surfaces? LiquiMoly LM48 maybe? Some other trick? Wanted to ask here
before I do something where they'll never work right anymore and someone
will say "Oh, you shouldn't have done that".

There isn't much inside a (I am assuming R.H.) 600 shifter. I think I
would ask whether you have the selector set all the way to friction,
or indexed, and whether you have disconnected the shifter from the
derailer and tried that?

You might want to have a look at:
https://shimanostioverhaul.wordpress...ar-reassembly/
or http://tinyurl.com/ptrpcp2
or
http://bicycles.stackexchange.com/qu...r-installation

I've got 600 - 7 speed shifters on the"New Old Bike" that I took off a
previous "new old bike" and all they do is click :-)


Mine are a generation older. Pure friction, they do not have any index
function. Sometimes I wish they did but then again some day when the
last UG hub is through (it is showing signs) I want to switch to HG
cassettes and put 7 gears on there. But friction is ok on the road bike
because I don't shift nearly as much as on the MTB.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

On 9/8/2015 9:13 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2015-09-08 4:38 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/7/2015 2:29 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2015-09-07 12:06 PM, wrote:
On Monday, September 7, 2015 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-7, Joerg
wrote:
Folks,

Lately my old Shimano 600 friction shifter levers let
off an
annoying squeal when moving them. Shifting is ok but it's
embarrassing when other road bikers are around.

A drop of oil didn't help. Can I use some sort of lube on
their
inner surfaces? LiquiMoly LM48 maybe? Some other trick?
Wanted to
ask here before I do something where they'll never work
right
anymore and someone will say "Oh, you shouldn't have done
that".

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

I've never seen this before but I can imagine after all
these years
that bearing surface is probably dried out with caked dirt
and
grease. Set the levers parallel with the downtube and
rotate the
wheels so that the derailleurs go to their neutral
positions (small
cog and smallest ring). This should give enough slack to
unscrew and
remove the levers. Remember that you can get some slack by
rotating
the derailleurs a little.

Using WD40 or some such to cut through the sludge clean
the bearing
surfaces including inside of the levers. Make sure there
is nothing
remaining of any junk. Inspect closely for any cracks in
the downtube
mounts and in the lever bodies.

Re-lube with a light grease and NOT OIL upon reassembly.
Bearings are
not supposed to have oil on them. They are supposed to be
greased.
Make sure that the cables are in the grooves for them on
the levers.


Thank you. I just tried your recipe with the FD shifter and
ball bearing grease sparingly applied. Now it needs to be
tightened a bit more than usual in order not to gradually
slide back and it makes a slight grinding noise but ... no
more squeal. Next ride is tomorrow and if this works I'll do
the same with the RD shifter.

The inner black steel ring with the two locking notches had
some rust on it.


Grease or machine oil work equally well for that.


I did both now. Works quite well. Long term I'll have to do
something about those steel guide slots underneath the BB.
We have a lot of dirt and bush roads where crud cakes itself
in there.


Toothbrush, really, followed by a drop of oil on the wire.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 9/8/2015 10:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/8/2015 9:13 AM, Joerg wrote:
... Long term I'll have to do
something about those steel guide slots underneath the BB.
We have a lot of dirt and bush roads where crud cakes itself
in there.


Toothbrush, really, followed by a drop of oil on the wire.

I prefer a dry lube there. Anything moist seems to gather grit very
quickly.

But I do frequently forget to lubricate those points, and it makes for
tough shifting.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2015-09-08 7:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/8/2015 9:13 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2015-09-08 4:38 AM, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/7/2015 2:29 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2015-09-07 12:06 PM, wrote:
On Monday, September 7, 2015 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-7, Joerg
wrote:
Folks,

Lately my old Shimano 600 friction shifter levers let
off an
annoying squeal when moving them. Shifting is ok but it's
embarrassing when other road bikers are around.

A drop of oil didn't help. Can I use some sort of lube on
their
inner surfaces? LiquiMoly LM48 maybe? Some other trick?
Wanted to
ask here before I do something where they'll never work
right
anymore and someone will say "Oh, you shouldn't have done
that".

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

I've never seen this before but I can imagine after all
these years
that bearing surface is probably dried out with caked dirt
and
grease. Set the levers parallel with the downtube and
rotate the
wheels so that the derailleurs go to their neutral
positions (small
cog and smallest ring). This should give enough slack to
unscrew and
remove the levers. Remember that you can get some slack by
rotating
the derailleurs a little.

Using WD40 or some such to cut through the sludge clean
the bearing
surfaces including inside of the levers. Make sure there
is nothing
remaining of any junk. Inspect closely for any cracks in
the downtube
mounts and in the lever bodies.

Re-lube with a light grease and NOT OIL upon reassembly.
Bearings are
not supposed to have oil on them. They are supposed to be
greased.
Make sure that the cables are in the grooves for them on
the levers.


Thank you. I just tried your recipe with the FD shifter and
ball bearing grease sparingly applied. Now it needs to be
tightened a bit more than usual in order not to gradually
slide back and it makes a slight grinding noise but ... no
more squeal. Next ride is tomorrow and if this works I'll do
the same with the RD shifter.

The inner black steel ring with the two locking notches had
some rust on it.


Grease or machine oil work equally well for that.


I did both now. Works quite well. Long term I'll have to do
something about those steel guide slots underneath the BB.
We have a lot of dirt and bush roads where crud cakes itself
in there.


Toothbrush, really, followed by a drop of oil on the wire.


But probably not the grimy toothbrush I use on the MTB chain :-)

I did use a toothbrush for this job yesterday but then bearing grease,
hoping it'll stick a little longer in there.

One remarkable cleaning device I discovered recently are disposable
interdental brushes. They look like microscopic bottle brushes and are
excellent in cleaning small crevices on bicycles, most importanly inside
the chain links. So now I use them for my teeth and instead of tossing I
clean the little brushes, let them dry, use them once more on the bikes,
then throw them away. It didn't speed up the MTB chain maintenance a lot
but the chain is cleaner afterwards.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

about those steel guide slots underneath the BB. We have a lot of dirt
and bush roads where crud cakes itself in there.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

more poly water jug or ? remove guide, clean find new ss screws, cut poly rectangle or long sided hexagon with screw holes and cable slots. locktite screws place ply under guide with front tab bent down as dirt reflector n torque to 10 pounds.

greased my friction shifters. wudnah work nomore. removed grease, resumed op.