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New (folding) 27 x 1 1/4 tyres
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I'm going loaded (camping) touring in Europe on my old Dawes Galaxy with 27 inch wheels. I'm looking at the 27 x 1 1/4 Continental Ultra Gator Duraskin on wiggle.co.uk for £16. Are these any good for loaded touring? Also, I'd like to take a folding tyre with me in case of an emergency. Does anyone know where a 27 x 1 1/4 folding tyre can be found in the UK? My LBS has a 27 x 1 3/8 folder, but it looks like it's been on the shelf for a very long time and I'm not sure it would fit. Cheers Rob |
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Rob Shields wrote: Hi I'm going loaded (camping) touring in Europe on my old Dawes Galaxy with 27 inch wheels. I'm looking at the 27 x 1 1/4 Continental Ultra Gator Duraskin on wiggle.co.uk for £16. Are these any good for loaded touring? Your other main choices in that size are IRC Roadwinner, Panaracer Pasela, Continental Sport 1000. If you feel them in the shop you will notice that the UltraGator is stiffer and less pliable. So, it will roll that much less easily. If you compare the thicknesses of the treads, they are similar- it may have a little more puncture resistance because of the harder rubber, but I doubt it. I believe the IRC Roadwinner has the biggest air volume and so should, all things considered, have the nicest ride. It is also likely the cheapest, along with the Conti. I would expect it to have more durable sidewalls too, if only because the tread rubber wraps around higher. I use a different-branded version of the IRC and can testify that it is excellent. It is the one I would choose, no contest. Al so, I'd like to take a folding tyre with me in case of an emergency. Does anyone know where a 27 x 1 1/4 folding tyre can be found in the UK? SJS www.sjscycles.com should still carry Panaracer Pasela Tourguard in that size.. |
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41 wrote:
Rob Shields wrote: I'm going loaded (camping) touring in Europe on my old Dawes Galaxy with 27 inch wheels. I'm looking at the 27 x 1 1/4 Continental Ultra Gator Duraskin on wiggle.co.uk for £16. Are these any good for loaded touring? Your other main choices in that size are IRC Roadwinner, Panaracer Pasela, Continental Sport 1000. Can anybody tell me the actual width of the IRC 27 x 1 1/4 Roadwinner? I mail ordered some Panaracer Pasela 27 x 1 1/4's and they are only 27.5mm wide (measured) on my SuperChamp Mod. 58 rim (a fairly wide rim). Going on a tandem tour, the Paselas seem a bit narrow for the purpose. Thanks, Mark |
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:38:41 -0700, datakoll wrote:
try the conti tt: there are no substitutes for hdt beyond the T in 27". I guess the Top Touring is designed for touring, but I'm not really sure what the technical difference is. Are the TTs heavier and stronger? pump to 80 pounds or no or minimal contact patch expansion. liners plus self sealing tubes. seacrh to 'self sealing tubes' in tech, Good tip, I know about self sealing, slime filled tubes, and I've got some plastic liners knocking about. using the folding tire for a second spare is reasonable on long distance rides or for primary on short rides but across your personal yemani landscape-go TT but space taken by a figure 8 fold on the TT werighs far less than using an vastly inferior spare tire in the 27 category. I guess I could fold a tyre in a figure of 8 and put it in my rear pannier, this would mean I can carry a good spare as you say. Does folding the tyre like this damage it at all? i use the TT in a harsh glass filled environment for daily HDT. there may be subs but for 26" and 700cc not 27". in considering a switch to 700cc from 27"-i have cartridge 700cc wheels in stock-i dwell on the curb/water clearance reduction as unfavorable. Thanks for the advice Rob |
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:38:41 -0700, datakoll wrote:
try the conti tt: I've been reading about these tyres and it seems people are concerned about or have experienced side wall blowouts due to thin side walls. As I'm going to be carrying 40 kilos or so this is definitely an issue, I need something that's going to be up to the job. Rob |
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Rob Shields wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:38:41 -0700, datakoll wrote: try the conti tt: there are no substitutes for hdt beyond the T in 27". I guess the Top Touring is designed for touring, but I'm not really sure what the technical di fference is. Are the TTs heavier and stronger? The TT is definitely a heavier and tougher tire than most anything out there. It weighs, uh, get ready for it, 550g per tire. The tread is thick and will last 5000 miles or so, the sidewalls are thick too, and it has two extra nylon puncture resistant belts under the tread. Rather a different tire from the UG so I didn't mention it. On the other hand, people who use it say it rolls quite well, and if you feel it in the shop it is reasonably pliable, for such a heavy tire. It will withstand a heck of a lot of puncture abuse and if you still need tire liners or slime or similar with this tire, you have my sincere condolences. It is rather expensive. Another reasonable tire to mention in this category is the Michelin World Tour- also extra thick and puncture resistant, with gumwall sides. Actual width is about 33mm, probably the fattest of all. It is also likely the cheapest. Someone was asking about Panaracer Pasela widths vs. IRC. Paselas run one size small: a 32 (or 1-1/4) is actually a 28, a 28 is actually a 25-26, and a 35 is actually a 32. Once you get to the 37s they run true to size. The Roadwinners run true to size or pretty close to it. So, your choices divide into three groups: super puncture resistant, heavy, extra thick rubber, althougj reasonably rolling tires like TT or World Tour; super puncture resistant, terribly rolling like Specialized Armadillo; or normal but quite durable tires like Roadwinner, Pasela, UG, Sport 1000, and also some Vittoria model. Note that Pasela and Roadwinner are available with or without an extra Kevlar cut resistant belt (new production Roadwinner only available with [called Roadwinner Duro; Pasela with Kevlar belt is Pasela Tourguard], some places still have the ones without). For most use I'd stick with the IRC Roadwinner. If I needed maximal puncture resistance and longevity above all else, I'd go with TT if I had loads of cash, World Tour if not. See the rec.bicycles.tech FAQ for the proper way to fold a wire bead clincher ti not a figure 8 but into 3 loops. Still not all that compact; unless you have a lot of room, I'd go with the folder. Folding a wire bead tire the right way will not damage it. |
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:33:15 -0700, 41 wrote:
Rob Shields wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:38:41 -0700, datakoll wrote: The TT is definitely a heavier and tougher tire than most anything out there. It weighs, uh, get ready for it, 550g per tire. The tread is thick and will last 5000 miles or so, the sidewalls are thick too, and it has two extra nylon puncture resistant belts under the tread. I've read alarming things about this tyre, that the sidewalls are thin and can tear under load. I shall be carrying 40 kilos or so so this is a big problems. Conti have also stopped or are stopping making these tyres, and they are replaced by another model (City Contact?). Rather a different tire from the UG so I didn't mention it. On the other hand, people who use it say it rolls quite well, and if you feel it in the shop it is reasonably pliable, for such a heavy tire. It will withstand a heck of a lot of puncture abuse and if you still need tire liners or slime or similar with this tire, you have my sincere condolences. It is rather expensive. Another reasonable tire to mention in this category is the Michelin World Tour- also extra thick and puncture resistant, with gumwall sides. Actual width is about 33mm, probably the fattest of all. It is also likely the cheapest. Someone was asking about Panaracer Pasela widths vs. IRC. Paselas run one size small: a 32 (or 1-1/4) is actually a 28, a 28 is actually a 25-26, and a 35 is actually a 32. Once you get to the 37s they run true to size. The Roadwinners run true to size or pretty close to it. I know what you mean about the Paselas, I have some 28s that are actually 25s. So, your choices divide into three groups: super puncture resistant, heavy, extra thick rubber, althougj reasonably rolling tires like TT or World Tour; super puncture resistant, terribly rolling like Specialized Armadillo; or normal but quite durable tires like Roadwinner, Pasela, UG, Sport 1000, and also some Vittoria model. Note that Pasela and Roadwinner are available with or without an extra Kevlar cut resistant belt (new production Roadwinner only available with [called Roadwinner Duro; Pasela with Kevlar belt is Pasela Tourguard], some places still have the ones without). I have also heard good things about Schwalbe Marathons, not sure which category they fit in, I guess "normal but quite durable" or "super puncture resistant, heavy, extra thick rubber, although reasonably rolling". For most use I'd stick with the IRC Roadwinner. If I needed maximal puncture resistance and longevity above all else, I'd go with TT if I had loads of cash, World Tour if not. See the rec.bicycles.tech FAQ for the proper way to fold a wire bead clincher ti not a figure 8 but into 3 loops. Still not all that compact; unless you have a lot of room, I'd go with the folder. Folding a wire bead tire the right way will not damage it. Thanks Rob |
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Rob Shields wrote: On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:33:15 -0700, 41 wrote: The TT is definitely a heavier and tougher tire than most anything out there. It weighs, uh, get ready for it, 550g per tire. The tread is I've read alarming things about this tyre, that the sidewa lls are thin and can tear under load. I shall be carrying 40 kilos or so so this is a big problems. Conti have also stopped or are stopping making these tyres, and they are replaced by another model (City Contact?). The TT is still widely available and still listed on the Conti website. A few years ago (c.2000) there were many complaints about all Conti sidewalls in general. These seem to have resolved into the following: (a) the chafing strips were made of cotton and under certain conditions they unravelled into long strings. Conti changed the material and in new production this problem should be solved. (b) The pressures people were using may have been too low, giving too much sidewall flex and they failed prematurely. At higher pressures or lower weights no problem. In any case I believe the sidewall problems have been solved because one doesn't hear much about them any more, and e.g. you have Chisholm here recommending the TT (different thread). The TT is a really heavy tire with thick rubber. I have also heard good things about Schwalbe Marathons, not sure which category they fit in, I guess "normal but quite durable" or "super p uncture resistant, heavy, extra thick rubber, although reasonably rolling". The Marathon is in the same category as the Top Touring, I didn't realize it was available in 27" but it is. It weighs 610g per tire, even more than the TT. Schwalbe tires are high quality. One useful thing in the Schwalbe catalogue is that they give a rating of the maximal load for the tire. For 1-1/4" (32mm) tires, that load is about 100kg. Carrying 40kg of baggage? That is an enormous amount and a 32 is rather thin for it, you will have to overinflate them considerably: 40kg baggage + 13kg bicycle doesn't leave much left over for the rider. Normally people would use at least a 35 or 37 for such a huge load. Unless you are crossing the Sahara solo or some such, do you really need so much weight? Perhaps you could leave the golf clubs at home? Good luck!! |
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right-the obvioos choice is- buy a 26" or 700cc touring bike or change the 27" rims to cr-18 700 dropping the brakes(see sheldon brown) tyhat takes car of the load. 50 pounds touring on the rear alone is par. when one '''work's''' with these loads rather than uh conjecture-that's what loads up-50 pounds. to trim that, well, it costs money. and like the man said-yes, its a beautiful ($$$) tent but i worry about branches falling through it. and tell me, when buying custom $$$ stove fuel on the road what do you do with a gallon after filling the two pints Ti - kevlar bottles? the pressure thing is point on. if the TT (or other) bottom with load on to the road-it is possible to then have the rim cut into the sidewall. go for the wal mart auto pump with locking head or go to biketoolsect.com and look for their german schrader locking pump head for $4 and buy touring toools while there-eg the cassette breaker. i ran several thin (see thru) wall TT and had no problem carrying 70 (i weighed the load) pounds on the rear but carefully from the grocery store. elsewhere i write of downwind for 6-7 miles on a smoooth surface at 20 plus mph with seat stay paint showing load stress but without TT problems under a 30-40 pound max rear load-i am 165lbs on an '87 raleigh steel lugged sports tourer. the rage is 26" for touring and if one gloms the tire selection-also consider the lower baggage CG, newton! take a look at tech archives for touring |
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one more before we go-under HD touring- tubes leak air reducing tire longevity/handling...checking twice a day and providing a way to get the pressure back up is essential. i use nashbar and walmart slime tubes. a specialized thick wall torn proof tube with slime could be the answer but i don't know if this exists.that approach goes into the too much weight realm where touring from cafe to motel ( and where the foundation for $$$ into the bike system exists ) might resist the approach. 10 grams off the front wheel is a big deal. but 10 grams off the front then adding a can of beans doesn't make much sense. 10 grams and the cafe however... |
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