QRs banned in New Jersey

Seems the New Jersey legislators have banned Quick Releases on bicycle
wheels.

http://www.thnt.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar.../NEWS/70611009

Legislators target bikes with easy-release wheels
Home News Tribune Online 06/11/07

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) … Bicycles with quick-release wheels couldn't be sold
in New Jersey under legislation approved Monday by the Assembly.

The bikes allow wheels to be removed without tools so they can be
quickly secured with a chain lock or transported in vehicles, but
lawmakers contend they're prone to accidents.

""The dangers surrounding the current models of quick-release bikes far
outweigh any time saving benefits they may offer,'' said Assemblyman
Paul Moriarty, D-Gloucester, a bill sponsor.

The bill was approved 77-3, but hasn't received Senate consideration.

--
Tony

"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
is no good evidence either way."
- Bertrand Russell

On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 21:31:40 +0100,
Tony Raven wrote:
dream
Seems the New Jersey legislators have banned engines in cars

http://www.thnt.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar.../NEWS/70611009

Legislators target cars with engines
Home News Tribune Online 06/11/07

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) … Cars with engines couldn't be sold
in New Jersey under legislation approved Monday by the Assembly.

The engine allows cars to be driven at high speed on the roads but
lawmakers contend they're prone to accidents.

""The dangers surrounding the current models of powered cars far
outweigh any time saving benefits they may offer,'' said Assemblyman
Paul Moriarty, D-Gloucester, a bill sponsor.

The bill was approved 77-3, but hasn't received Senate consideration.

/dream

Tim.

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Tony Raven wrote:
Seems the New Jersey legislators have banned Quick Releases on bicycle
wheels.

http://www.thnt.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar.../NEWS/70611009


I've heard some debate about hub brakes and QR but are normal bikes with
rim brakes and lawyers lips prone to QR related accidents?

Nick wrote:
Tony Raven wrote:
Seems the New Jersey legislators have banned Quick Releases on bicycle
wheels.

http://www.thnt.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar.../NEWS/70611009

I've heard some debate about hub brakes and QR but are normal bikes with
rim brakes and lawyers lips prone to QR related accidents?

Yes, when people don't tighten them correctly. Thanks to how litigous
the US is, there have been lawsuits over such things. Yeah America.

I suppose the NJ legislature doesn't have any higher safety risks to
worry about. Well, none that don't have lobbyists with fat wadges of
cash handy.

--
Dane Buson -
"I don't see anything wrong with being arrogant
and not at all helpful." -- Paul Tomblin

Nick wrote on 15/06/2007 23:02 +0100:
Tony Raven wrote:
Seems the New Jersey legislators have banned Quick Releases on bicycle
wheels.

http://www.thnt.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar.../NEWS/70611009


I've heard some debate about hub brakes and QR but are normal bikes with
rim brakes and lawyers lips prone to QR related accidents?


Yes, bikes with rim brakes lose wheels too. I've seen both wheels come
off a road bike in a crash for example.


--
Tony

"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
is no good evidence either way."
- Bertrand Russell

Nick wrote:
Tony Raven wrote:
Seems the New Jersey legislators have banned Quick Releases on
bicycle wheels.

http://www.thnt.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar.../NEWS/70611009


I've heard some debate about hub brakes and QR but are normal bikes
with rim brakes and lawyers lips prone to QR related accidents?

There have been some nasty accidents involving cheap Wal-Mart or similar
bikes (bicycle shaped objects) assembled by untrained Wal-Mart staff and
sold to the typical Wal-Mart customer with no instruction or advice
given on the use and adjustment of quick release hubs. A couple of cases
involved permanent disfigurement and/or disablement of small children.

Back when quick release hubs only existed on relatively expensive bikes
this was a non-issue, anyone who bought a bicycle expensive enough to
have quick release hubs usually knew enough about bikes to understand
how to operate and adjust quick release hubs. As soon as quick release
hubs started showing up on department store bikes the story changed.

"Tony Raven" wrote in message
...
Seems the New Jersey legislators have banned Quick Releases on bicycle
wheels.

http://www.thnt.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar.../NEWS/70611009

Legislators target bikes with easy-release wheels
Home News Tribune Online 06/11/07

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) … Bicycles with quick-release wheels couldn't be sold
in New Jersey under legislation approved Monday by the Assembly.

The bikes allow wheels to be removed without tools so they can be quickly
secured with a chain lock or transported in vehicles, but lawmakers
contend they're prone to accidents.

""The dangers surrounding the current models of quick-release bikes far
outweigh any time saving benefits they may offer,'' said Assemblyman Paul
Moriarty, D-Gloucester, a bill sponsor.

The bill was approved 77-3, but hasn't received Senate consideration.

--
Tony

"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
is no good evidence either way."
- Bertrand Russell

It's not quite the full story.....

Quick release wheels have not been banned. The sale of bicycles with wheels
of 20" or less have been banned. It's a rather blunt instrument but
attempts to address the incompetence of supermarkets selling poorly
assembled bikes and mechanically inept purchasers who can not replace a
wheel safely.

Tony Raven wrote:
Nick wrote on 15/06/2007 23:02 +0100:
Tony Raven wrote:
Seems the New Jersey legislators have banned Quick Releases on
bicycle wheels.

http://www.thnt.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar.../NEWS/70611009


I've heard some debate about hub brakes and QR but are normal bikes
with rim brakes and lawyers lips prone to QR related accidents?


Yes, bikes with rim brakes lose wheels too. I've seen both wheels come
off a road bike in a crash for example.


Out of interest did the wheels coming off cause the crash or make it worse?

mark wrote:
Nick wrote:
Tony Raven wrote:
Seems the New Jersey legislators have banned Quick Releases on
bicycle wheels.

http://www.thnt.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar.../NEWS/70611009


I've heard some debate about hub brakes and QR but are normal bikes
with rim brakes and lawyers lips prone to QR related accidents?

There have been some nasty accidents involving cheap Wal-Mart or similar
bikes (bicycle shaped objects) assembled by untrained Wal-Mart staff and
sold to the typical Wal-Mart customer with no instruction or advice
given on the use and adjustment of quick release hubs. A couple of cases
involved permanent disfigurement and/or disablement of small children.

Back when quick release hubs only existed on relatively expensive bikes
this was a non-issue, anyone who bought a bicycle expensive enough to
have quick release hubs usually knew enough about bikes to understand
how to operate and adjust quick release hubs. As soon as quick release
hubs started showing up on department store bikes the story changed.

OK I was thinking of adult road bikes. I can see that they may not be
appropriate for some kids bikes.

I was just getting worried that I might have to start getting the
spanners out every time I had a puncture.

Nick wrote on 16/06/2007 09:30 +0100:
Tony Raven wrote:
Nick wrote on 15/06/2007 23:02 +0100:


I've heard some debate about hub brakes and QR but are normal bikes
with rim brakes and lawyers lips prone to QR related accidents?


Yes, bikes with rim brakes lose wheels too. I've seen both wheels
come off a road bike in a crash for example.


Out of interest did the wheels coming off cause the crash or make it worse?

They came off as a result of the crash - the classic diagnostic of disc
brake wheel ejection except there were no disc brakes in sight.

--
Tony

"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
is no good evidence either way."
- Bertrand Russell