Wednesday before Thanksgiving.

On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 5:30:40 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 4:49:10 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 11/27/2020 3:22 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 9:44:04 AM UTC-8, Tosspot wrote:
On 26/11/2020 18:40, Mark Cleary wrote:
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 11:10:13 AM UTC-6,
wrote:
snip
Returning to clincher tires with tubes of course I carry an old
fashion patch kit. On my road bikes on the local rides I carry CO2
inflators but wouldn't think of doing tours carrying CO2 instead of
a full size frame pump. I have my touring bike in the back yard and
a couple of frame pumps down in the garage. If you are using a
handlebar bag why would you not carry a frame pump. The old Zephal
HPX pumps will inflate the modern 25 or 28 mm tires promptly and
easily and if you are using them on a real touring bike with 32 mm
tires on them you can use Zephal FPX pumps designed for higher
volume
I carry CO2 but that can run out easy if not careful so I have a
small mini pump in the saddle. It will get the tires up to what I
need to get around. I just have a spare tube no patch kit I am not
going to patch on the road. Touring would require I might need to do
that but my idea of touring is probably not others. Deacon Mark
My preferred setup is a halfway decent mini pump[1] and spare tube.
Change out the tube and repair the old one overnight. Rinse and repeat.
Oh, and since I'm one of those "Presta" weirdos, a presta-scraeder
adaptor in case a petrol station hoves into sight :-)

[1] Yes I know, rocking horse ****, you can but hope.

Gas stations now charge for air, and many use stand-alone, gutless compressors that couldn't fully inflate a HP bike tire. It's pitiful. Make Gas Stations Great Again!

I got a flat today riding with my son -- CO2 to the rescue. Five minute repair.
You were SO lucky! Just think if you had to manually pump and waste
another two minutes! ;-)
It was nice. I didn't have to screw around with the clown pump, and we did want to cut time by the side of the road to get back home for a last walk with my wife before we loaded my son on the plane. Pumps are fine, and I'm not trying to convert anyone, but CO2 is easy and fast. I also like quick-release wheels, although I don't need them. I see no problem with making things easier, although I do fret a little about the expense and waste of a steel cartridge.

I remember the first time I used a CO2 cartridge, I probably didn't have the arm strength necessary to pump up my tire. I was exhausted from a speed run up Larch Mountain, trying to get up and down before the Fourth of July Parade in Corbett. https://pamplinmedia.com/images/arti...3519108582.jpg I didn't make it and got pelted with candy trying to pass between the trucks and the kids. I was impatient that year. Two or three times riding with friends, I've ended up at the back waiving at the crowd with my friends. If you can't beat the parade, join it.

Just remember that if you have carbon aero wheels that it is pretty easy to overinflate and delaminate expensive wheels.

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 7:53:31 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/28/2020 9:36 AM, Tosspot wrote:
On 28/11/2020 14:40, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zaterdag 28 november 2020 om 02:30:40 UTC+1 schreef
jbeattie:

It was nice. I didn't have to screw around with the clown
pump,
and we did want to cut time by the side of the road to
get back
home for a last walk with my wife before we loaded my son
on the
plane. Pumps are fine, and I'm not trying to convert
anyone, but
CO2 is easy and fast. I also like quick-release wheels,
although I
don't need them. I see no problem with making things easier,
although I do fret a little about the expense and waste
of a steel
cartridge.

They are perfectly recyclable. Just dispose them properly
and don't throw them in the roadside. I am more worried
about the plastic water-bottles and since Covid19 the
disposable face masks. It is unbelievable.

It's my understanding steel is almost indefinitely
recyclable. Anyone know?
Nearly everything is theoretically recyclable. But steel has
an unique feature of being easily pulled from a stream of
trash and so the labor cost of sorting is much less than
most materials. The weak point of much-touted 'recycling'
schemes is the ridiculously high cost of hand sort. Combine
that cost with transport and energy inputs and you're upside
down for many programs.

Something else is now going on as people become entirely broke. The wine bottles in my trash are being scavenged. Apparently either the empties themselves are recyclable (which I haven't heard of) or the glass is being recycled like the plastic water bottles. Now the morning after the garbage is put out, if I go out to the garbage to put something else in before the truck arrives, all of the wine bottles are gone.

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 10:41:13 AM UTC-8, pH Steinbruner wrote:
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 2:41:39 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2020 09:02:18 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 5:43:37 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 18:43:00 -0600, AMuzi wrote:

On 11/25/2020 5:26 PM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 14:35:21 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

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Must you always prove that you're a moron? Anyone that is touring carries a frame pump and they are a fixture on all long distance bikes with handlebar bags. But you having no riding ability at all shoot your stupid mouth off for the fun of it. When you are stupid stop demonstrating it to so many people.
https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/...702&size=large
https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/pics...G_0535.JPG?v=0
https://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/...6D#pic_1714340
--
Cheers,

John B.
[gets out of toe clips before typing away....]
Mr. Nobody here.
Wow, those guys in the pics are brave. (I love reading the CGOB journals).. I too remember seeing a tourist carrying a floor pump one time, by the way.

I carry a Zefal HPX on my bikes...love it. At least *2* patch kits since glue can be unpredictable.

One of the things I like best about bicycling is how highly individualistic the hobby/lifestyle is.

Happy belated Thanksgiving to everybody and Merry Christmas in the coming month.
(Anyone put xmas lights on his bike?)

I'll give everyone a one-time pass for having bike content in this thread..

Pureheart in Aptos
I have a box of patch kits and if you'd send me your address to I'll send you a half dozen.

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 4:29:51 PM UTC-8, News 2020 wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 12:04:28 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote:


It's my understanding steel is almost indefinitely recyclable. Anyone
know?

Sure, just like aluminum. Most steel is "mild steel" that has little in
the form of alloying elements. Throw it into an electric furnace and
it's on its way to becoming more mild steel. You can't damage the Iron
atoms that make up almost all the mix.

If by chance someone threw in some bits of high alloy steel (say, a
dozen kitchen knives with lots of chromium in them) I don't think anyone
would notice. But I think making fancy steels (e.g. stainless steels,
high alloy steels etc.) might require more care about the feedstock
composition.
if you want to experience 'recycled steel', projects using rebar will
teach you about it. Some of it is like hot knife through butter and the
other is WTF.
So you comment on yet another thing you don't know anything about? Rebar is made in HUGE steel melting vats that so fully mixes the recycled steel that there isn't even a passing chance that you could detect any difference at all in the product which is mostly recycled cars.

On 11/29/2020 12:38 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 7:53:31 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/28/2020 9:36 AM, Tosspot wrote:
On 28/11/2020 14:40, Lou Holtman wrote:
Op zaterdag 28 november 2020 om 02:30:40 UTC+1 schreef
jbeattie:

It was nice. I didn't have to screw around with the clown
pump,
and we did want to cut time by the side of the road to
get back
home for a last walk with my wife before we loaded my son
on the
plane. Pumps are fine, and I'm not trying to convert
anyone, but
CO2 is easy and fast. I also like quick-release wheels,
although I
don't need them. I see no problem with making things easier,
although I do fret a little about the expense and waste
of a steel
cartridge.

They are perfectly recyclable. Just dispose them properly
and don't throw them in the roadside. I am more worried
about the plastic water-bottles and since Covid19 the
disposable face masks. It is unbelievable.

It's my understanding steel is almost indefinitely
recyclable. Anyone know?
Nearly everything is theoretically recyclable. But steel has
an unique feature of being easily pulled from a stream of
trash and so the labor cost of sorting is much less than
most materials. The weak point of much-touted 'recycling'
schemes is the ridiculously high cost of hand sort. Combine
that cost with transport and energy inputs and you're upside
down for many programs.

Something else is now going on as people become entirely broke. The wine bottles in my trash are being scavenged. Apparently either the empties themselves are recyclable (which I haven't heard of) or the glass is being recycled like the plastic water bottles. Now the morning after the garbage is put out, if I go out to the garbage to put something else in before the truck arrives, all of the wine bottles are gone.



Unlikely.
Price of clean glass bottles for recycling have doubled in
California over the past 12 months to about $6 per ton. I
doubt anyone can move a ton of anything very far for $6.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 11/29/2020 1:32 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 12:22:34 PM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, November 27, 2020 at 9:44:04 AM UTC-8, Tosspot wrote:
On 26/11/2020 18:40, Mark Cleary wrote:
On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 11:10:13 AM UTC-6,
wrote:
snip
Returning to clincher tires with tubes of course I carry an old
fashion patch kit. On my road bikes on the local rides I carry CO2
inflators but wouldn't think of doing tours carrying CO2 instead of
a full size frame pump. I have my touring bike in the back yard and
a couple of frame pumps down in the garage. If you are using a
handlebar bag why would you not carry a frame pump. The old Zephal
HPX pumps will inflate the modern 25 or 28 mm tires promptly and
easily and if you are using them on a real touring bike with 32 mm
tires on them you can use Zephal FPX pumps designed for higher
volume
I carry CO2 but that can run out easy if not careful so I have a
small mini pump in the saddle. It will get the tires up to what I
need to get around. I just have a spare tube no patch kit I am not
going to patch on the road. Touring would require I might need to do
that but my idea of touring is probably not others. Deacon Mark
My preferred setup is a halfway decent mini pump[1] and spare tube.
Change out the tube and repair the old one overnight. Rinse and repeat.
Oh, and since I'm one of those "Presta" weirdos, a presta-scraeder
adaptor in case a petrol station hoves into sight :-)

[1] Yes I know, rocking horse ****, you can but hope.
Gas stations now charge for air, and many use stand-alone, gutless compressors that couldn't fully inflate a HP bike tire. It's pitiful. Make Gas Stations Great Again!

I got a flat today riding with my son -- CO2 to the rescue. Five minute repair. It would have been two minutes, but I wanted to find what caused the flat, which I didn't. Checking the tube when I got home, it was a very distinct single hole, so I hit a nail or something else that went in and pulled out.

I don't know what's going in up in Oregon but down here we have found what is very clearly nails carefully place with the points up on the roadway in the bike lane.

Even without nails, bike lanes often have debris. That's one of the
reasons I'm not usually a fan.


--
- Frank Krygowski

On 11/29/2020 1:43 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 4:29:51 PM UTC-8, News 2020 wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 12:04:28 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote:


It's my understanding steel is almost indefinitely recyclable. Anyone
know?

Sure, just like aluminum. Most steel is "mild steel" that has little in
the form of alloying elements. Throw it into an electric furnace and
it's on its way to becoming more mild steel. You can't damage the Iron
atoms that make up almost all the mix.

If by chance someone threw in some bits of high alloy steel (say, a
dozen kitchen knives with lots of chromium in them) I don't think anyone
would notice. But I think making fancy steels (e.g. stainless steels,
high alloy steels etc.) might require more care about the feedstock
composition.
if you want to experience 'recycled steel', projects using rebar will
teach you about it. Some of it is like hot knife through butter and the
other is WTF.
So you comment on yet another thing you don't know anything about? Rebar is made in HUGE steel melting vats that so fully mixes the recycled steel that there isn't even a passing chance that you could detect any difference at all in the product which is mostly recycled cars.

That's about right. Coincidentally, our newspaper today has an article
about the scrap recycler who feeds the local steel pipe plant. This
plant's pipe is mostly used in fracked gas and oil wells. Yes, recycled
cars are a big part of the input.

https://www.vindy.com/news/local-new...g-for-dollars/

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 10:43:45 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 4:29:51 PM UTC-8, News 2020 wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 12:04:28 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote:


It's my understanding steel is almost indefinitely recyclable.
Anyone know?

Sure, just like aluminum. Most steel is "mild steel" that has little
in the form of alloying elements. Throw it into an electric furnace
and it's on its way to becoming more mild steel. You can't damage the
Iron atoms that make up almost all the mix.

If by chance someone threw in some bits of high alloy steel (say, a
dozen kitchen knives with lots of chromium in them) I don't think
anyone would notice. But I think making fancy steels (e.g. stainless
steels, high alloy steels etc.) might require more care about the
feedstock composition.
if you want to experience 'recycled steel', projects using rebar will
teach you about it. Some of it is like hot knife through butter and the
other is WTF.
So you comment on yet another thing you don't know anything about? Rebar
is made in HUGE steel melting vats that so fully mixes the recycled
steel that there isn't even a passing chance that you could detect any
difference at all in the product which is mostly recycled cars.

Tommy, I've cut and bend enough rebar to know that it is NOT consistent.

Tell me, how do they "mix it"

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 10:38:13 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:


Something else is now going on as people become entirely broke. The wine
bottles in my trash are being scavenged. Apparently either the empties
themselves are recyclable (which I haven't heard of) or the glass is
being recycled like the plastic water bottles. Now the morning after the
garbage is put out, if I go out to the garbage to put something else in
before the truck arrives, all of the wine bottles are gone.

Wow, has Kaytel relaunched their bottle cutter?
The TV add had a piece where you cut the bottom off wine and other glass
bottles to make drinking glass.

Probably something on faecesbook or the ****sphere or similar. SWMBO'd
caught someone going through the neighbour's recycling bin recently for
glass bottles.

News 2020 writes:

On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 10:38:13 -0800, Tom Kunich wrote:


Something else is now going on as people become entirely broke. The wine
bottles in my trash are being scavenged. Apparently either the empties
themselves are recyclable (which I haven't heard of) or the glass is
being recycled like the plastic water bottles. Now the morning after the
garbage is put out, if I go out to the garbage to put something else in
before the truck arrives, all of the wine bottles are gone.

Wow, has Kaytel relaunched their bottle cutter?
The TV add had a piece where you cut the bottom off wine and other glass
bottles to make drinking glass.

Probably someone just needed some Molotov cocktails.

Probably something on faecesbook or the ****sphere or similar. SWMBO'd
caught someone going through the neighbour's recycling bin recently for
glass bottles.

"Caught"? I figure if someone put something in the recycling bin it's
free to take. I certainly don't mind if someone takes something from
mine, he's almost surely putting it to a higher use than the town will.