Revocation of cycle to work benefits?

On Aug 29, 5:08*pm, judith wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:12:25 -0700 (PDT), Duncan Smith

wrote:
After joining the cycle to work scheme earlier this year, my HR
department has recently fired out a couple of warnings that all bikes
purchased 'must be used for 50% of all of your journeys (or part
journeys) to work', or the tax breaks of the scheme will no longer be
eligible.seems

Whilst I think they have merely interpreted the rules in an unusual
way, and policing this seems impossible, it would still be nice to
prove de-jure one way or the other. *Letter to the CTC or the contract
to the CAB?

Regards,

Duncan

I would say that it is their scheme (I assume that they still own the
bikes which is what my employer *does ) and they can police it *- make
rules - how they like - as long as it at least satisfies the tax/NI
requirements - and they treat everyone equally.

Not quite, the question was of the law (real law, not HR law)
regarding tax exemption from section 4 of the DFT Cycle to Work policy
- as answered this morning in post #2.

You can't easily add extra clauses to a contract after it's been
signed.

Duncan

Magistrates get 20p a mile for cycling to court. Nobody does, at my court.

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:43:59 +0100, Bystander
wrote:

Magistrates get 20p a mile for cycling to court. Nobody does, at my court.

The IR rules are that you can claim 20p a mile for business mileage on
a bike. The rules are the same as those for the 40p claimable per mile
for car use.
Pete

Peter Grange writes:

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:43:59 +0100, Bystander
wrote:

Magistrates get 20p a mile for cycling to court. Nobody does, at my court.

The IR rules are that you can claim 20p a mile for business mileage on
a bike. The rules are the same as those for the 40p claimable per mile
for car use.

Although normally you can't claim for travelling to and from work. Are
there special rules for magistrates?

Paul Rudin wrote:
|| Peter Grange writes:
||
||| On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:43:59 +0100, Bystander
||| wrote:
|||
|||| Magistrates get 20p a mile for cycling to court. Nobody does, at
|||| my court.
|||
||| The IR rules are that you can claim 20p a mile for business mileage
||| on a bike. The rules are the same as those for the 40p claimable
||| per mile for car use.
||
|| Although normally you can't claim for travelling to and from work.
|| Are there special rules for magistrates?

Magistrates are not 'at work', it's their hobby. Most of them will have
proper jobs elsewhere.

--
Rob

"judith" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:12:25 -0700 (PDT), Duncan Smith
wrote:

After joining the cycle to work scheme earlier this year, my HR
department has recently fired out a couple of warnings that all bikes
purchased 'must be used for 50% of all of your journeys (or part
journeys) to work', or the tax breaks of the scheme will no longer be
eligible.seems

Whilst I think they have merely interpreted the rules in an unusual
way, and policing this seems impossible, it would still be nice to
prove de-jure one way or the other. Letter to the CTC or the contract
to the CAB?

Regards,

Duncan

I would say that it is their scheme (I assume that they still own the
bikes which is what my employer does ) and they can police it - make
rules - how they like - as long as it at least satisfies the tax/NI
requirements - and they treat everyone equally.




It will be some **** from HMRC. If you have a car, you actually have to
keep track of the business and private mileage. HMRC hope [fairly
successfully] that many people will avoid doing anything which results in
even more a***aching tax paperwork, although a modern GPS unit can make
producing a report a doddle.

"Peter Grange" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:43:59 +0100, Bystander
wrote:

Magistrates get 20p a mile for cycling to court. Nobody does, at my court.

The IR rules are that you can claim 20p a mile for business mileage on
a bike. The rules are the same as those for the 40p claimable per mile
for car use.
Pete

Does a car really cost 40p/mile to run? Does this include all costs e.g.
those associated with merely owning the car (like depreciation)?

Somehow I find it hard to believe that if you drive a car 12,000 miles per
year instead of 6,000 miles per year then it would cost an extra £2400 to
run.

"Adam Lea" wrote in message
...

Does a car really cost 40p/mile to run? Does this include all costs e.g.
those associated with merely owning the car (like depreciation)?

Somehow I find it hard to believe that if you drive a car 12,000 miles per
year instead of 6,000 miles per year then it would cost an extra £2400 to
run.

If you take the cost of a new car to be £10,000 and assume it to have
negligible value at 100,000 miles then depreciation works out at 10p a mile.

On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:52:46 +0100, "Steve Mitchell"
said in
:

If you take the cost of a new car to be £10,000 and assume it to have
negligible value at 100,000 miles then depreciation works out at 10p a mile.

Don't forget cost of finance. Even if you buy cash, the cost of
having that £10,000 sitting on the drive is non-trivial.

I reckon that the actual cost of running a second car to our family
was around £3,500 last year, with around 7,500 miles driven. That's
excluding lost interest on the capital. Depreciation, tyres, garage
bills, fuel, insurance, VED, RAC cover, a battery. I didn't count
the cost of the replacement engine and aircon evaporator. I didn't
make any great efforts to minimise the costs, it should be easily
possible to run a car for 40p/mile.

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

["Followup-To:" header set to uk.rec.cycling.]
On Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:41:28 +0100, Adam Lea wrote:
"Peter Grange" wrote in message
...

The IR rules are that you can claim 20p a mile for business
mileage on a bike. The rules are the same as those for the 40p
claimable per mile for car use.

Does a car really cost 40p/mile to run? Does this include all costs
e.g. those associated with merely owning the car (like
depreciation)?

Somehow I find it hard to believe that if you drive a car 12,000
miles per year instead of 6,000 miles per year then it would cost
an extra £2400 to run.

The AA attempt to break it down a bit. See for example
http://www.theaa.com/allaboutcars/ad...trol_table.jsp

They have running costs between 20p and 32p per mile.

regards, Ian SMith
--
|\ /| no .sig
|o o|
|/ \|