Hydration question

Hi!

On a 200k challenge ride (12,000 vert) yesterday and started to feel
weak and bad. Bonky, perhaps? No. Eating fairly well...prolly about
a couple hundred calories every hour and a half or so... hydrating
well, or so I thought.

Long story short, I end up walking one particularly nasty hill and
then coasting into a rest stop. Get there and still feel bad. Drink
about a half a water bottle waiting for the sag (I really feel crappy
at this point). Luckily, the sag wagon had a buncha garbage bags in
it cuz I ejected about a quart of water into one.

After I cleared all the water in my gut, I felt MUCH better. It's
almost as if my body stopped accepting water.

I don't think I was over-hydrating. I was drinking approximately a 28
oz bottle (one of those big ones) every 25 miles. As far as I know,
and as my riding buddy says, I am *ALWAYS* under-hydrated. It was
sunny and warm, around 80F, but not humid. Just can't figure out
what happened.

My bottles have been cleaned with bleach recently. I don't think I
ate or drank anything anyone else did not eat.

TIA

D'ohBoy

P.S.: I believe I was sufficiently trained for this and my pace was
well within the pace I rode when I finished this ride last year.

"D'ohBoy" wrote in message
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Long story short, I end up walking one particularly nasty hill and
then coasting into a rest stop. Get there and still feel bad. Drink
about a half a water bottle waiting for the sag (I really feel crappy
at this point). Luckily, the sag wagon had a buncha garbage bags in
it cuz I ejected about a quart of water into one.

After I cleared all the water in my gut, I felt MUCH better. It's
almost as if my body stopped accepting water.

You were riding harder than your body could handle. Instead of pulling
liquids out of your stomach all of your blood supply was being used in your
legs to lungs. That was what is more commonly known as exhaustion.

On Jun 15, 3:10*pm, "D'ohBoy" wrote:
Hi!

On a 200k challenge ride (12,000 vert) yesterday and started to feel
weak and bad. *Bonky, perhaps? *No. *Eating fairly well...prolly about
a couple hundred calories every hour and a half or so... hydrating
well, or so I thought.

Long story short, I end up walking one particularly nasty hill and
then coasting into a rest stop. *Get there and still feel bad. *Drink
about a half a water bottle waiting for the sag (I really feel crappy
at this point). *Luckily, the sag wagon had a buncha garbage bags in
it cuz I ejected about a quart of water into one.

After I cleared all the water in my gut, I felt MUCH better. *It's
almost as if my body stopped accepting water.

I don't think I was over-hydrating. *I was drinking approximately a 28
oz bottle (one of those big ones) every 25 miles. *As far as I know,
and as my riding buddy says, I am *ALWAYS* under-hydrated. *It was
sunny and warm, around 80F, but not humid. * Just can't figure out
what happened.

My bottles have been cleaned with bleach recently. *I don't think I
ate or drank anything anyone else did not eat.

TIA

D'ohBoy

P.S.: I believe I was sufficiently trained for this and my pace was
well within the pace I rode when I finished this ride last year.

How far did you get, and when you say one big bottle per 25mi, what
does that mean in terms of bottles per hour?

What and how much did you eat and drink before the ride? What was the
urination situation during the ride?

I think you over did it on the water.

Joseph

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"D'ohBoy" wrote:

I don't think I was over-hydrating. I was drinking approximately a
28 oz bottle (one of those big ones) every 25 miles. As far as I
know, and as my riding buddy says, I am *ALWAYS* under-hydrated. It
was sunny and warm, around 80F, but not humid. Just can't figure
out what happened.

Hmm, assuming a rolling pace of 18 mph that's about 20 oz of water per
hour. The recommended fluid intake for marathoners is 12 ounces of
water per hour (see link below). IMHO you were probably overhydrating
and maybe became hyonatremic (low sodium) and/or hypokalemic (low
potassium). That will make you feel wonky. If your feet swelled at
all, then that's pretty much the clincher.

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/od/hydrationandfluid/a/Hyponatremia.htm

How do you know that you are "always underhydrated?" Your body is very
good at preventing itself from developing dehydration- you keep sweating
for cooling but your kidneys reduce output temporarily. 80F is just a
warm day, not a hot day, and you should not have been sweating profusely
(except on climbs, of course, when you're going too slow to get much
evaporation as well as working hard). You've have probably been better
off eating a banana and something salty rather than drinking yet more
water.

http://www.ultracycling.com/nutrition/hyponatremia1.html

The research on the woeful effects of under-hydration on athletic
performance has been pretty much exclusively done at the behest of
Gatorade and similar companies. Any surprise about the conclusions they
reach?

By comparison, I did a windy, flattish three hour ride yesterday and
drank about 30 ounces of water and felt fine. CamelBak (Hydrate Or
Die!) would probably scream that I was in danger of crumbling into my
constituent minerals from dehydration.

D'ohBoy Wrote:
Hi!

On a 200k challenge ride (12,000 vert) yesterday and started to feel
weak and bad. Bonky, perhaps? No. Eating fairly well...prolly about
a couple hundred calories every hour and a half or so... hydrating
well, or so I thought.

Long story short, I end up walking one particularly nasty hill and
then coasting into a rest stop. Get there and still feel bad. Drink
about a half a water bottle waiting for the sag (I really feel crappy
at this point). Luckily, the sag wagon had a buncha garbage bags in
it cuz I ejected about a quart of water into one.

After I cleared all the water in my gut, I felt MUCH better. It's
almost as if my body stopped accepting water.

I don't think I was over-hydrating. I was drinking approximately a 28
oz bottle (one of those big ones) every 25 miles. As far as I know,
and as my riding buddy says, I am *ALWAYS* under-hydrated. It was
sunny and warm, around 80F, but not humid. Just can't figure out
what happened.

My bottles have been cleaned with bleach recently. I don't think I
ate or drank anything anyone else did not eat.

TIA

D'ohBoy

P.S.: I believe I was sufficiently trained for this and my pace was
well within the pace I rode when I finished this ride last year.
Electrolyte imbalance happened in a similar situation to me once...
when I was "suffiociently" hydrated, but I finished the ride only to not
feel like wanting any of the wonderful food available at ride's end.
25 years ago I lunched at a salad bar to find myself feeling lousy 90
miles later,,,... I attributed that time to something I ate.
As Tim stated, you would get some ideas from the color and quantity of
urine output as you went.


--
daveornee

D'ohBoy wrote:
Hi!

On a 200k challenge ride (12,000 vert) yesterday and started to feel
weak and bad. Bonky, perhaps? No. Eating fairly well...prolly about
a couple hundred calories every hour and a half or so... hydrating
well, or so I thought.

Long story short, I end up walking one particularly nasty hill and
then coasting into a rest stop. Get there and still feel bad. Drink
about a half a water bottle waiting for the sag (I really feel crappy
at this point). Luckily, the sag wagon had a buncha garbage bags in
it cuz I ejected about a quart of water into one.


200k miles? What is the challenge of that? I stopped races over 200 km a
long time ago to avoid those stupid drink and eating problems/hassles. I
rather go faster on a shorter distance with no food and drink issues
than those boring long distances rides where you always walk on
eggshells food and drinkwise.

Lou

On Jun 15, 7:15*pm, Lou Holtman wrote:
D'ohBoy wrote:
Hi!

On a 200k challenge ride (12,000 vert) yesterday and started to feel
weak and bad. *Bonky, perhaps? *No. *Eating fairly well...prolly about
a couple hundred calories every hour and a half or so... hydrating
well, or so I thought.

Long story short, I end up walking one particularly nasty hill and
then coasting into a rest stop. *Get there and still feel bad. *Drink
about a half a water bottle waiting for the sag (I really feel crappy
at this point). *Luckily, the sag wagon had a buncha garbage bags in
it cuz I ejected about a quart of water into one.

200k miles? What is the challenge of that? I stopped races over 200 km a
long time ago to avoid those stupid drink and eating problems/hassles. I
rather go faster on a shorter distance with no food and drink issues
than those boring long distances rides where you always walk on
eggshells food and drinkwise.

Lou

You call 200km a long ride? ;-)

Joseph

On Jun 15, 5:08 pm, "
wrote:
On Jun 15, 7:15 pm, Lou Holtman wrote:



D'ohBoy wrote:
Hi!

On a 200k challenge ride (12,000 vert) yesterday and started to feel
weak and bad. Bonky, perhaps? No. Eating fairly well...prolly about
a couple hundred calories every hour and a half or so... hydrating
well, or so I thought.

Long story short, I end up walking one particularly nasty hill and
then coasting into a rest stop. Get there and still feel bad. Drink
about a half a water bottle waiting for the sag (I really feel crappy
at this point). Luckily, the sag wagon had a buncha garbage bags in
it cuz I ejected about a quart of water into one.

200k miles? What is the challenge of that? I stopped races over 200 km a
long time ago to avoid those stupid drink and eating problems/hassles. I
rather go faster on a shorter distance with no food and drink issues
than those boring long distances rides where you always walk on
eggshells food and drinkwise.

Lou

You call 200km a long ride? ;-)

Uh oh. Here we go!

R

On Jun 15, 11:19*pm, RicodJour wrote:
On Jun 15, 5:08 pm, "



wrote:
On Jun 15, 7:15 pm, Lou Holtman wrote:

D'ohBoy wrote:
Hi!

On a 200k challenge ride (12,000 vert) yesterday and started to feel
weak and bad. *Bonky, perhaps? *No. *Eating fairly well...prolly about
a couple hundred calories every hour and a half or so... hydrating
well, or so I thought.

Long story short, I end up walking one particularly nasty hill and
then coasting into a rest stop. *Get there and still feel bad. *Drink
about a half a water bottle waiting for the sag (I really feel crappy
at this point). *Luckily, the sag wagon had a buncha garbage bags in
it cuz I ejected about a quart of water into one.

200k miles? What is the challenge of that? I stopped races over 200 km a
long time ago to avoid those stupid drink and eating problems/hassles. I
rather go faster on a shorter distance with no food and drink issues
than those boring long distances rides where you always walk on
eggshells food and drinkwise.

Lou

You call 200km a long ride? ;-)

Uh oh. *Here we go! *

R

Actually as a serious response to the "why bother with long rides/
races" vs short intense races, I feel marginally qualified to offer an
opinion on both. I like both, and see the appeal in both.

The problem with short intense races, is you get dropped if you aren't
fast enough, and riding by yourself when everyone else is mixing it up
in a sprint isn't that much fun. Rolling up to the finish asking who
won the sprint isn't very exciting. But when you are fast enough, and
you can be part of the action, it is amazing fun.

The problem with long races is they are hard and they hurt. But
usually they are done as more of a personal challenge, so not
finishing with the lead group isn't such a let down as in a short
race. Perhaps because of the potential for pain and the challenge, a
well executed long ride is immensely satisfying.

My two most recent races were 10km and 642km respectively. Quite
different animals, yet I see no reason the favor one over the other.

Joseph

On Jun 15, 10:15*am, Lou Holtman wrote:


200k miles? What is the challenge of that?


Yeah! Two Hundred Thousand Miles?, no problem!


TBerk
the only thing I hate is having to change my O2 bottles so often, and
wiping the condensation off of the helmet's faceplate....