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Zoot Katz wrote:
Wed, 03 Nov 2004 14:46:28 -0800, , Benjamin Lewis wrote: Thus, I don't believe shoe price is a drawback to clipless pedals, although convenience may be for some people. And style, man. Don't forget _style_. Yeah, if you restrict yourself to the Henry Ford school of colour, you may have trouble finding shoes you like. -- Benjamin Lewis Seeing is deceiving. It's eating that's believing. -- James Thurber |
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do not spam wrote:
In article , dgk wrote: I finally got it out, but it would have been better if I just had fallen into the mud. Anyway, what is clip vs clipless? Clipless are easier to get out of than toe clips. Depends on how experienced you are with either. Clipless are also much more expensive. Newer, hence still marketed as "New!". Since the variation of clamp/cleat styles is infinite, the learning curve will never drop much before any particular type becomes so obsolete you won't trust the supply of spare parts. Hence, expect the prices to remain excessive essentially forever. Either will give you better performance than nothing at all. Nothing at all = descent. --Blair "Tomorrow I'm installing some clipless gloves." |
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PK wrote:
There is an old English joke about trying to explain Cricket to an American, all about batsmen going out when they are in until they are out then they come in, and a batsman who is in but caught out must then come in etc etc. I'm reminded of that joke everytime the subject of clipping into clipless pedals crops up! Clipless pedals are so bollixed a subject that even Sheldon Brown just says "go look at Shimano's website." You've got to admit, it is daft terminology! The only pedals with clips are clipless while clipped pedals have straps and no clips....... Who's on first? --Blair "Indexed shifter!" |
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On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 00:06:48 +0000, PK wrote:
You've got to admit, it is daft terminology! The only pedals with clips are clipless while clipped pedals have straps and no clips....... What about strapless pedals? They can look great worn with a push-up. |
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Blair P. Houghton wrote:
do not spam wrote: In article , dgk wrote: I finally got it out, but it would have been better if I just had fallen into the mud. Anyway, what is clip vs clipless? Clipless are easier to get out of than toe clips. Depends on how experienced you are with either. Perhaps, but in my experience clipless were *much* easier to get out of when I'd had about equal experience with each. This probably depends somewhat on clipless pedal design, how tight you like your straps to be, etc. -- Benjamin Lewis Evelyn the dog, having undergone further modification, pondered the significance of short-person behavior in pedal-depressed panchromatic resonance and other highly ambient domains... "Arf", she said. |
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a shy person writes:
Anyway, what is clip vs clipless? http://www.yellowjersey.org/tocleat.html The lower picture shows a shoe on a Campagnolo pedal with a strap that goes through a toe clip to securing the shoe to the pedal. These, if well fitting require the strap to be loosened to get the foot out of the pedal. For this reason, clips and straps are used on track racing even today because "clipless" pedals have only a cleat under the shoe that retains the shoe fore and aft, and vertically but not rotationally. Since standing start sprints easily rotate the foot in the pedal, unwanted releases can occur since this is the normal method of releasing feet from clipless pedals. Rotation release came to bicycling from skiing where step-in engagement and rotation release was introduced years earlier when twisted ankles were occurring on the slopes often. For most riding, the "twist foot to exit" mechanism works well. SPD steel cleats cannot be pulled out vertically although riders swear they can do it, but I am sure it is a case of foot rotation masked by strong upward pull on the foot. It doesn't take much. That's the only drawback I see with "step-in" pedals, known as clipless. Jobst Brandt |
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PK what? writes:
I'm reminded of that joke every time the subject of clipping into clipless pedals crops up! I don't know what crowd you mix with but around here we step into the pedals and engage the cleat. You've got to admit, it is daft terminology! The only pedals with clips are clipless while clipped pedals have straps and no clips... I think you've got your terms confused. Toe clips support the strap and prevent the pedal from rolling forward when pedaling standing. You would have noticed that when a clip breaks as they often did and your foot rolls off the front of the pedal still strapped in... clip dangling and tinkling on the pavement as it hangs from the strap. Today, plastic clips last a bit longer but are still a pain. Jobst Brandt |
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wrote in message ... PK what? writes: I'm reminded of that joke every time the subject of clipping into clipless pedals crops up! I don't know what crowd you mix with but around here we step into the pedals and engage the cleat. You've got to admit, it is daft terminology! The only pedals with clips are clipless while clipped pedals have straps and no clips... I think you've got your terms confused. Toe clips support the strap and prevent the pedal from rolling forward when pedaling standing. You would have noticed that when a clip breaks as they often did and your foot rolls off the front of the pedal still strapped in... clip dangling and tinkling on the pavement as it hangs from the strap. Today, plastic clips last a bit longer but are still a pain. Jobst Brandt I know all that Jobst, but the terminology only makes sense if you know the history. Show someone who has seen neither a clipless pedal and one with cage and straps and ask which is clipless! When a newbie arrives on here and says "Which foot should i put in the clip first?" - someone always asks if they are talking about toe straps (clipped) or pedals the shoe clips into (clipless). I was just remarking that it is very much like tring to explain cricket to someone who has never seen the game. EG From an online advice site: The shoe cleats required for clipless pedals are basically shaped pieces of metal [Snip].......Basically, the best way to begin is to clip one foot (the foot you normally begin with) into its pedal.... pk |
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"PK" wrote in message
[...] I know all that Jobst, but the terminology only makes sense if you know the history. Show someone who has seen neither a clipless pedal and one with cage and straps and ask which is clipless! When a newbie arrives on here and says "Which foot should i put in the clip first?" - someone always asks if they are talking about toe straps (clipped) or pedals the shoe clips into (clipless). I was just remarking that it is very much like tring to explain cricket to someone who has never seen the game. You have two sides, one out in the field and one in. Each man that's in the side that's in goes out, and when he's out he comes in and the next man goes in until he's out. When they are all out, the side that's out comes in and the side thats been in goes out and tries to get those coming in, out. Sometimes you get men still in and not out. When a man goes out to go in, the men who are out try to get him out, and when he is out he goes in and the next man in goes out and goes in. There are two men called umpires who stay all out all the time and they decide when the men who are in are out. When both sides have been in and all the men have out, and both sides have been out twice after all the men have been in, including those who are not out, that is the end of the game! -- A: Top-posters. Q: What is the most annoying thing on Usenet? |
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"DRS" wrote in message ... I was just remarking that it is very much like tring to explain cricket to someone who has never seen the game. You have two sides, one out in the field and one in. Each man that's in the side that's in goes out, and when he's out he comes in and the next man goes in until he's out. When they are all out, the side that's out comes in and the side thats been in goes out and tries to get those coming in, out. Sometimes you get men still in and not out. When a man goes out to go in, the men who are out try to get him out, and when he is out he goes in and the next man in goes out and goes in. There are two men called umpires who stay all out all the time and they decide when the men who are in are out. When both sides have been in and all the men have out, and both sides have been out twice after all the men have been in, including those who are not out, that is the end of the game! Thanks! I couldn't remember the details! Make as much sence as clipping into clipless pedals! ie perfect sence if you know what it means gobbledegook if you don't!! pk |
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