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Don't even think about stopping in a crash
Most importantly, don't look into a crash as it happens -- instead
look for open space and get your bike through that space. You tend to steer your bike where you look and if your concentration is on falling riders, you're going to get caught up in their trouble. Too many riders see a crash, stare at it, jam on their brakes and then ride into the crash. Instead, as soon as a crash starts you want to try to get around it as fast as possible. It's sometimes OK to touch your brakes for a split second to give yourself some time to find a way around, but at racing speeds you're rarely going to actually avoid a crash by STOPPING. Instead just look for open space on either side of the crash and go for it. You might even want to accelerate into the open space before the crash spreads.J Forrester reader faqhttp://www.faqs.org/faqs/bicycles-faq/part5/index.html#ctI guess this bums you out now Mark as with previous JF note.Do not waste my time. Stay "in your own little world"It's safer for everyone with a life. |
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Don't even think about stopping in a crash
"nash" wrote:
Most importantly, don't look into a crash as it happens -- instead look for open space and get your bike through that space. You tend to steer your bike where you look and if your concentration is on falling riders, you're going to get caught up in their trouble. Too many riders see a crash, stare at it, jam on their brakes and then ride into the crash. Instead, as soon as a crash starts you want to try to get around it as fast as possible. It's sometimes OK to touch your brakes for a split second to give yourself some time to find a way around, but at racing speeds you're rarely going to actually avoid a crash by STOPPING. Instead just look for open space on either side of the crash and go for it. You might even want to accelerate into the open space before the crash spreads.J Forrester reader faqhttp://www.faqs.org/faqs/bicycles-faq/part5/index.html#ctI guess this bums you out now Mark as with previous JF note.Do not waste my time. Stay "in your own little world"It's safer for everyone with a life. More great advice, "nash". Don't think about reducing the speed of impact. When that car starts turning across your path from your left, just "go for it" instead of trying to slow down. Let us all know how that works for you (when your arms are out of the casts, that is). When you realize you're heading into that switchback too fast, I'm sure you won't miss that front brake at all. Just hope someone catches it on video - you'll have a chance at $10K (or your heirs will). If you've never been in a situation where your bacon was saved by deceleration, then you've not been riding nearly long or fast enough to be giving anyone advice. Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $795 ti frame |
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"Mark Hickey" wrote in message ... "nash" wrote: Most importantly, don't look into a crash as it happens -- instead look for open space and get your bike through that space. You tend to steer your bike where you look and if your concentration is on falling riders, you're going to get caught up in their trouble. Too many riders see a crash, stare at it, jam on their brakes and then ride into the crash. Instead, as soon as a crash starts you want to try to get around it as fast as possible. It's sometimes OK to touch your brakes for a split second to give yourself some time to find a way around, but at racing speeds you're rarely going to actually avoid a crash by STOPPING. Instead just look for open space on either side of the crash and go for it. You might even want to accelerate into the open space before the crash spreads.J Forrester reader faqhttp://www.faqs.org/faqs/bicycles-faq/part5/index.html#ctI guess this bums you out now Mark as with previous JF note.Do not waste my time. Stay "in your own little world"It's safer for everyone with a life. More great advice, "nash". Don't think about reducing the speed of impact. When that car starts turning across your path from your left, just "go for it" instead of trying to slow down. Let us all know how that works for you (when your arms are out of the casts, that is). When you realize you're heading into that switchback too fast, I'm sure you won't miss that front brake at all. Just hope someone catches it on video - you'll have a chance at $10K (or your heirs will). If you've never been in a situation where your bacon was saved by deceleration, then you've not been riding nearly long or fast enough to be giving anyone advice. Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $795 ti frame That was a quote from John Forrester's group. I gave it as such. You are always quarreling with me and I could careless what YOU think. Not everybody rides their brains out like you obviously do and you cannot tell me what is valuable to everyone else. How come it is okay to be on his website but not this one? You are one narrow minded redneck alright. |
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Don't even think about stopping in a crash
"Mark Hickey" wrote in message ... "nash" wrote: Most importantly, don't look into a crash as it happens -- instead look for open space and get your bike through that space. You tend to steer your bike where you look and if your concentration is on falling riders, you're going to get caught up in their trouble. Too many riders see a crash, stare at it, jam on their brakes and then ride into the crash. Instead, as soon as a crash starts you want to try to get around it as fast as possible. It's sometimes OK to touch your brakes for a split second to give yourself some time to find a way around, but at racing speeds you're rarely going to actually avoid a crash by STOPPING. Instead just look for open space on either side of the crash and go for it. You might even want to accelerate into the open space before the crash spreads.J Forrester reader faqhttp://www.faqs.org/faqs/bicycles-faq/part5/index.html#ctI guess this bums you out now Mark as with previous JF note.Do not waste my time. Stay "in your own little world"It's safer for everyone with a life. Don't think about reducing the speed of impact. When that car starts turning across your path from your left, just "go for it" instead of trying to slow down. Let us all know how that works for you (when your arms are out of the casts, that is). When you realize you're heading into that switchback too fast, I'm sure you won't miss that front brake at all. Just hope someone catches it on video - you'll have a chance at $10K (or your heirs will). If you've never been in a situation where your bacon was saved by deceleration, then you've not been riding nearly long or fast enough to be giving anyone advice. No it is because I am too careful and do not have to depend on the front brake since I look behind me all the time. If it did happen I would use front and back. Always have and I am great. Not a scratch ever. If you are riding with one hand on the right brake and someone cuts you off you want me to put my left hand back and take the right hand off. what a winner you are. You are inviting mayhem when you speed. Bring it on yourself. Anticipating and looking for the escape ie not braking is how to get out unscathed. That is what kept this guy out of trouble. a racer in a group no less! I guess you think he knows nothing too. You want to keep bringing up stuff that does not matter I suggest you talk to a mirror. |
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Don't even think about stopping in a crash
then you've not been riding nearly long or fast enough
to be giving anyone advice. I rode a bicycle across Canada. How many here have done that. Has nothing to with speed. Which is my point entirely about aerobics and health. Speed kills banana brains. Racer I am not. Been riding since I was 8. never owned a car had 3 licences though for various jobs You know nothing about me or how I ride. Wy dont you ti your frame round your neck |
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Don't even think about stopping in a crash
On Mar 11, 9:35 pm, "nash" wrote:
"Mark Hickey" wrote in message ... "nash" wrote: Most importantly, don't look into a crash as it happens -- instead look for open space and get your bike through that space. You tend to steer your bike where you look and if your concentration is on falling riders, you're going to get caught up in their trouble. Too many riders see a crash, stare at it, jam on their brakes and then ride into the crash. Instead, as soon as a crash starts you want to try to get around it as fast as possible. It's sometimes OK to touch your brakes for a split second to give yourself some time to find a way around, but at racing speeds you're rarely going to actually avoid a crash by STOPPING. Instead just look for open space on either side of the crash and go for it. You might even want to accelerate into the open space before the crash spreads.J Forrester reader faqhttp://www.faqs.org/faqs/bicycles-faq/part5/index.html#ctIguess this bums you out now Mark as with previous JF note.Do not waste my time. Stay "in your own little world"It's safer for everyone with a life. More great advice, "nash". Don't think about reducing the speed of impact. When that car starts turning across your path from your left, just "go for it" instead of trying to slow down. Let us all know how that works for you (when your arms are out of the casts, that is). When you realize you're heading into that switchback too fast, I'm sure you won't miss that front brake at all. Just hope someone catches it on video - you'll have a chance at $10K (or your heirs will). If you've never been in a situation where your bacon was saved by deceleration, then you've not been riding nearly long or fast enough to be giving anyone advice. Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles http://www.habcycles.com Home of the $795 ti frame That was a quote from John Forrester's group. I gave it as such. You are always quarreling with me and I could careless what YOU think. Not everybody rides their brains out like you obviously do and you cannot tell me what is valuable to everyone else. How come it is okay to be on his website but not this one? You are one narrow minded redneck alright.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - In the interest of accuracy, the quote you misattribute to "John Forrester's group" was actually written by John Forrest Tomlinson and has nothing to do with John Forrester. Re-read the entire posting there in the rec.bicycles.misc. FAQ (again, not John Forrester's group) and you'll see JT is speaking specifically about *racing* and avoiding crashed *bikes*. How racing tips square with your statement downthread that "Speed kills banana brains" eludes me since the point of racing is to not only go fast but to be the *fastest*. Wait, I get it... top banana, right? :-) Regards, Bob Hunt |
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Don't even think about stopping in a crash
Bob wrote:
In the interest of accuracy, the quote you misattribute to "John Forrester's group" was actually written by John Forrest Tomlinson and has nothing to do with John Forrester. Re-read the entire posting there in the rec.bicycles.misc. FAQ (again, not John Forrester's group) and you'll see JT is speaking specifically about *racing* and avoiding crashed *bikes*. How racing tips square with your statement downthread that "Speed kills banana brains" eludes me since the point of racing is to not only go fast but to be the *fastest*. Wait, I get it... top banana, right? :-) Hmmm. I wonder what JF and JFT would think about being confused with each other? |
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Don't even think about stopping in a crash
nash wrote:
then you've not been riding nearly long or fast enough to be giving anyone advice. I rode a bicycle across Canada. How many here have done that. Has nothing to with speed. Which is my point entirely about aerobics and health. Speed kills banana brains. Racer I am not. Been riding since I was 8. never owned a car had 3 licences though for various jobs You know nothing about me or how I ride. Wy dont you ti your frame round your neck ^^^^^^^^^^^ Even though it's clearly a typo, I'll give you credit this one time. Assuming you're responding to Mark (you really should learn to quote properly), that's a pretty good pun. \\paul |
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Don't even think about stopping in a crash
nash wrote:
Most importantly, don't look into a crash as it happens -- instead look for open space and get your bike through that space. Here's a couple thoughts: --mass-start bicycle racing is clearly a dangerous venture, which should be banned internationally as soon as possible. How many children have been emotionally scarred by watching a bunch of wheezing cheese-jockeys pile up in the first tight turn of a Le-Mans start? STOP THE MADNESS!!!! --Every bicycle raced must have a 6" fiberglass whip attached at the rear axle, pointing straight back. This will prevent dangerous pacelining and also prevent slipstreaming as well, forcing all riders to compete solely upon their own merits and training. No more weak teammates coat-tailing on one good rider's success! STOP THE BUTT-SNIFFING!!! ~ |
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Don't even think about stopping in a crash
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 06:56:22 -0500, DougC
wrote: --mass-start bicycle racing is clearly a dangerous venture, which should be banned internationally as soon as possible. How many children have been emotionally scarred by watching a bunch of wheezing cheese-jockeys pile up in the first tight turn of a Le-Mans start? STOP THE MADNESS!!!! So my figure 8 racing venue doesn't appeal to you? If nothing else, it should reduce the stragglers at the end of the race... Curtis L. Russell Odenton, MD (USA) Just someone on two wheels... |
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