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“I was just playing on my phone”: driver’s excuse when cyclist asked why he’d stopped
On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 2:50:48 PM UTC+1, Kelly wrote:
Still, all things being equal, if a lenient view was taken there would be the option of him getting away with a telling off and/or possibly a driver's awareness course type of thing, but who knows? QUOTE: The motorist responsible agreed to attend a driver alertness course after being spoken to by police and did not face criminal prosecution. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/c...-a4461076.html |
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“I was just playing on my phone”: driver’s excuse when cyclist asked why he’d stopped
On 09/06/2020 14:05, Kelly wrote:
JNugent wrote: On 09/06/2020 09:11, Kelly wrote: JNugent wrote: On 08/06/2020 21:13, Kelly wrote: JNugent wrote: On 05/06/2020 17:45, Simon Mason wrote: Terrible "excuse". QUOTE: It would be highly amusing if it wasn't so dangerous, as the driver of this trailer-towing Ford Ranger seems to think playing on your phone is a reasonable excuse for crawling along a country lane, before coming to a stop and then moving off again. According to the cyclist who shot the footage it happened near Kittochside in East Kilbride, where she was faced with the vehicle moving very slowly on the country lane. It then comes to a stop and the cyclist thinks he is letting her overtake, but then the vehicle starts to move. She said to the driver "I thought you were letting me past"Â, to which he cheerfully replied: "No, I was just playing on my phone!" The cyclist claims he then proudly showed off his mobile to advertise the fact. After hearing the driver's explanation, the cyclist can be heard saying: "Absolute cracker". Not the sharpest tool in the box and one that hopefully can be prosecuted with a number plate clearly visible... https://road.cc/content/news/cycling...ne-2020-274121 Was there a double-yellow line at the side of the carriageway? But he was undoubtedly acting unlawfully, double yellow or not. How can it be unlawful to stop where stopping and waiting are not prohibited? A double-yellow doesn't even *mean* "no stopping". But that is is not what this incident is about, is it? Here we have evidence (all on video) of a driver in control of a vehicle which is moving slowly before stopping in the middle of a single track country lane. A cyclist comes up behind the vehicle, waits for a little while and then starts to creep past it, only for the vehicle to start moving again before stopping again. She (the cyclist) eventually gets within speaking distance of the vehicle's driver and says to him, "Sorry, I thought you were letting me past." To which the driver replies, "No, I'm playing with my phone!" as he proudly shows her his phone. The unlawful act is not the driver's stopping and waiting, it's the use of his hand-held device while driving. He must still be driving because the vehicle is moving, albeit it intermittently, all this is cleary shown in the video - anyway, even if it had been stationary, who safely parks a vehicle dead in the middle of a single track country lane? QUOTE: When can you use a phone in your vehicle? The law is clear on when you can use a hand-held device behind the wheel. It is only legal if you are safely parked - and this does not include waiting in traffic or stationary at the traffic lights. [...] Can I use my phone while driving if I'm not moving? Contrary to what many drivers seem to think, the law still applies when your vehicle is stopped at lights or in heavy traffic. If your engine is running, your phone should be nowhere near your hands. This is still the case if the engine stops automatically to save fuel (called 'start-stop technology’). [...] What are the penalties for using your phone while driving? ... Today, it is a Fixed Penalty Notice of £200, and six penalty points on your licence. UNQUOTE https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/l...le-phone-laws/ I am dead against the use of handheld phones whilst driving, but does picking up and showing an item to someone count as "using" it and if so, has that principle been tested in court? Asking for a friend. Maybe you could tell your friend that I don't know if that principle has been tested in court, but I wouldn't like to be the one to test it. And, until some brave soul does, I'll be content to go along with the RAC's advice which is: " If your engine is running, your phone should be nowhere near your hands." PS: If the road is a genuinely single-track road, it really doesn't matter whether a stationary vehicle is up against the left verge, in the middle or up against the right verge, does it? No, you are right, it doesn't - it will still be causing a total obstruction wherever. Doesn't it follow, though, that you can't possibly safely park your vehicle in such circumstances. It *does* and that is the best argument against what the driver allegedly did. In practice, though, when in the middle of nowhere, it hardly matters. And of course, there could be any number of reasons why a vehicle might have to stop: illness of an occupant, mechanical breakdown of various sorts, need to avoid a collision with a human or an animal. The list is never-ending. Best, I would have thought, would be to wait for somewhere you can pull over and into before safely parking your vehicle there. Then, switch off the engine and play with your handheld phone to your heart's desire. That would indeed be best. |
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“I was just playing on my phone”: driver’s excuse when cyclist asked why he’d stopped
On 09/06/2020 14:50, Kelly wrote:
Simon Mason wrote: On Tuesday, June 9, 2020 at 9:11:10 AM UTC+1, Kelly wrote: Can I use my phone while driving if I'm not moving? Contrary to what many drivers seem to think, the law still applies when your vehicle is stopped at lights or in heavy traffic. If your engine is running, your phone should be nowhere near your hands. T Plus you should not be "playing with your phone" while driving, as this idiot even admitted to doing. Hopefully, the police will investigate the offence. I think he at risk of being fully penalised if the police do investigate. But I don't think he properly understands what the relevant law is, he didn't even try to hide the fact he was using his phone, on the contrary, he actually freely showed that he was. Also, I don't think it was particularly dangerous in those circumstance but we all know what the letter of the law is like. Still, all things being equal, if a lenient view was taken there would be the option of him getting away with a telling off and/or possibly a driver's awareness course type of thing, but who knows? My view is that the introduction of the "handheld" law only became a really pressing matter once SMS texting became popular. Using a phone simply for audio communication was never any more dangerous than using a two-way radio (which is still allowed, BTW). |
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“I was just playing on my phone”: driver’s excuse when cyclist asked why he’d stopped
On 09/06/2020 11:12, JNugent wrote:
On 09/06/2020 08:44, TMS320 wrote: On 09/06/2020 00:11, JNugent wrote: On 08/06/2020 20:20, TMS320 wrote: On 08/06/2020 17:32, JNugent wrote: On 05/06/2020 17:45, Simon Mason wrote: Terrible "excuse". QUOTE: It would be highly amusing if it wasn't so dangerous, as the driver of this trailer-towing Ford Ranger seems to think playing on your phone is a reasonable excuse for crawling along a country lane, before coming to a stop and then moving off again. According to the cyclist who shot the footage it happened near Kittochside in East Kilbride, where she was faced with the vehicle moving very slowly on the country lane. It then comes to a stop and the cyclist thinks he is letting her overtake, but then the vehicle starts to move. She said to the driver “I thought you were letting me past”, to which he cheerfully replied: “No, I was just playing on my phone." The cyclist claims he then proudly showed off his mobile to advertise the fact. After hearing the driver’s explanation, the cyclist can be heard saying: “Absolute cracker". Not the sharpest tool in the box and one that hopefully can be prosecuted with a number plate clearly visible... https://road.cc/content/news/cycling...ne-2020-274121 Was there a double-yellow line at the side of the carriageway? For all your talk about laws, what an utterly pathetic response. Was the driver perrmitted to stop, or prohibited from stopping? That seems an important question, wouldn't you say? No. Really? Really. |
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“I was just playing on my phone”: driver’s excuse when cyclist asked why he’d stopped
On 09/06/2020 17:50, TMS320 wrote:
On 09/06/2020 11:12, JNugent wrote: On 09/06/2020 08:44, TMS320 wrote: On 09/06/2020 00:11, JNugent wrote: On 08/06/2020 20:20, TMS320 wrote: On 08/06/2020 17:32, JNugent wrote: On 05/06/2020 17:45, Simon Mason wrote: Terrible "excuse". QUOTE: It would be highly amusing if it wasn't so dangerous, as the driver of this trailer-towing Ford Ranger seems to think playing on your phone is a reasonable excuse for crawling along a country lane, before coming to a stop and then moving off again. According to the cyclist who shot the footage it happened near Kittochside in East Kilbride, where she was faced with the vehicle moving very slowly on the country lane. It then comes to a stop and the cyclist thinks he is letting her overtake, but then the vehicle starts to move. She said to the driver “I thought you were letting me past”, to which he cheerfully replied: “No, I was just playing on my phone." The cyclist claims he then proudly showed off his mobile to advertise the fact. After hearing the driver’s explanation, the cyclist can be heard saying: “Absolute cracker". Not the sharpest tool in the box and one that hopefully can be prosecuted with a number plate clearly visible... https://road.cc/content/news/cycling...ne-2020-274121 Was there a double-yellow line at the side of the carriageway? For all your talk about laws, what an utterly pathetic response. Was the driver perrmitted to stop, or prohibited from stopping? That seems an important question, wouldn't you say? No. Really? Really. You can't see the relevance of whether the driver was prohibited from stopping. Why am I not surprised? :-) |
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“I was just playing on my phone”: driver’s excuse when cyclist asked why he’d stopped
On 10/06/2020 00:26, JNugent wrote:
On 09/06/2020 17:50, TMS320 wrote: On 09/06/2020 11:12, JNugent wrote: On 09/06/2020 08:44, TMS320 wrote: On 09/06/2020 00:11, JNugent wrote: Was the driver perrmitted to stop, or prohibited from stopping? That seems an important question, wouldn't you say? No. Really? Really. You can't see the relevance of whether the driver was prohibited from stopping. Because it's irrelevant. Why am I not surprised? :-) Why am I not surprised you can't recognise the real offence that took place? |
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“I was just playing on my phone”: driver’s excuse when cyclist asked why he’d stopped
On 10/06/2020 09:47, TMS320 wrote:
On 10/06/2020 00:26, JNugent wrote: On 09/06/2020 17:50, TMS320 wrote: On 09/06/2020 11:12, JNugent wrote: On 09/06/2020 08:44, TMS320 wrote: On 09/06/2020 00:11, JNugent wrote: Was the driver perrmitted to stop, or prohibited from stopping? That seems an important question, wouldn't you say? No. Really? Really. You can't see the relevance of whether the driver was prohibited from stopping. Because it's irrelevant. Why am I not surprised? :-) Why am I not surprised you can't recognise the real offence that took place? Go on, genius... What was it? Don't forget the little matter of evidence, whatever you "think" the offence was. |
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“I was just playing on my phone”: driver’s excuse when cyclist asked why he’d stopped
On 10/06/2020 15:44, JNugent wrote:
On 10/06/2020 09:47, TMS320 wrote: On 10/06/2020 00:26, JNugent wrote: On 09/06/2020 17:50, TMS320 wrote: On 09/06/2020 11:12, JNugent wrote: On 09/06/2020 08:44, TMS320 wrote: On 09/06/2020 00:11, JNugent wrote: Was the driver perrmitted to stop, or prohibited from stopping? That seems an important question, wouldn't you say? No. Really? Really. You can't see the relevance of whether the driver was prohibited from stopping. Because it's irrelevant. Why am I not surprised? :-) Why am I not surprised you can't recognise the real offence that took place? Go on, genius... What was it? Sigh. Don't forget the little matter of evidence, whatever you "think" the offence was. Evidence is for a court. Something way above your station in life. |
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“I was just playing on my phone”: driver’s excuse when cyclist asked why he’d stopped
On Wednesday, June 10, 2020 at 9:50:38 PM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote:
Evidence is for a court. Something way above your station in life. The court would hear of a driver admitting to "playing with his mobile" whilst driving along a country lane. Open and shut case. |
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“I was just playing on my phone”: driver’s excuse when cyclist asked why he’d stopped
On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 21:04:42 GMT, Simon Mason
wrote: On Wednesday, June 10, 2020 at 9:50:38 PM UTC+1, TMS320 wrote: Evidence is for a court. Something way above your station in life. The court would hear of a driver admitting to "playing with his mobile" whilst driving along a country lane. Open and shut case. I see Nugent is less keen on The Law in this case. -- Bah, and indeed, Humbug. |
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