Bike shops, rules, principles and law

On 1/23/2021 4:33 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 13:23:51 -0500, Joy Beeson
wrote:

A proper tomato would splat when dropped from a much smaller height.

I just drop tested a Roma tomato.
https://www.google.com/search?q=roma+tomato&tbm=isch
At about 3ft high off my vinyl kitchen floor, it sorta bounced a
little. No damage or dents. I then dropped it 4 times from about 6ft
(by holding it over my head). The first 3 hits just bounced a tiny
amount and rolled. However, on the 4th hit, the tomato landed on the
blossom end (opposite the vine end) and split slightly open. Only the
outer wall split and none of the contents gushed out. I then cleaned
the tomato and added it to my salad lunch.

My guess(tm) is that a Roma tomato can probably survive falling off a
truck without splitting open or going splat mostly because it has a
rather thick and dense pulp.




A great effort for the advancement of science, thanks.

Tomatoes for grocery/restaurant are picked early but
tomatoes for canning are picked ripe. In my area, canning
plants run 24 hours in season with trucks running all over
the area.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/23/2021 8:53 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 22:06:57 +0100, Sepp Ruf
wrote:

Now that you mention it ... before Midwestern corn farming became a chemical
industry, were the harvested fields burnt as they liked to do in Europe?

The fields had fences around them, and after harvest Dad would let the
hogs clean them up.

He did burn the fence rows to keep them from turning into hedge rows.
My younger sister and I wear deployed with scoop shovels to keep the
fire from spreading into the field.

My older sister once noticed a neighbor burning a field when the wind
was blowing toward her woods and called the fire department on him. I
don't recall any other incident of using fire to clean up a field.

My cousin baled the straw after growing winter wheat to get it off the
field in time to plant beans.

When there were cane fields in Hawaii, they burned them *before*
harvest. I saw the fires, but don't remember seeing how the cane was
cut.


Harvesting caramel?

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/24/2021 10:40 AM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
John B. wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jan 2021 21:53:36 -0500, Joy Beeson wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 22:06:57 +0100, Sepp Ruf wrote:

Now that you mention it ... before Midwestern corn farming became a chemical
industry, were the harvested fields burnt as they liked to do in Europe?

The fields had fences around them, and after harvest Dad would let the
hogs clean them up.

After an hour of frozen winter cycling and smelling virtually nothing except
occasional exhaust fumes, even hog scent can be a welcome change.

He did burn the fence rows to keep them from turning into hedge rows.
My younger sister and I were deployed with scoop shovels to keep the
fire from spreading into the field.

Saved fertilizer purchases, entertained the hogs, improved the soil, tought
the young to respect fire. These days, someone would record it on their
mobile phone while driving by and alert all sorts of protective government
bureaucrats.

My older sister once noticed a neighbor burning a field when the wind
was blowing toward her woods and called the fire department on him. I
don't recall any other incident of using fire to clean up a field.

My cousin baled the straw after growing winter wheat to get it off the
field in time to plant beans.

Thank you, Joy. I did a little online search now, and it seems like, while
the straw was valuable before advanced mechanization and strawless stables,
some Eurasian peasants then specialized and got rid of lifestock. Mineral
fertilizer seemed good enough to keep the soil fertile, regionally dried-out
soils could hardly be ploughed with small machinery, and the market for
bales was not worth the trouble.

When there were cane fields in Hawaii, they burned them *before*
harvest. I saw the fires, but don't remember seeing how the cane was
cut.

In Indonesia, and perhaps in other countries, mature sugar cane fields
are burned before harvesting. This burns off all the leaves and leaves
only the stocks which apparently aren't harmed by the fire. It also
gets rid of snakes and other venomous creatures.

In TH, as of 2012, they were still burning harvested rice fields in some
regions, but e.g., in Khon-Kaen area, dairy farmers paid 28 baht per 50
pound bale of straw, a longish thread in an expat forum mentions (in German).
http://forum.thailandtip.info/index.php?&topic=12753.0

I was once working at an oil processing station roughly in the center
of a measured square mile of sugar cane when they fired it. It is a
rather awe inspiring sight to see a square mile around you go up in
flame. Rather terrifying in fact :-(

Trust the local farmers, they have been there way longer than you, and
without flying doctors, must have evolved to know what they're doing!
Often.
Okay, at least mostly.
Well, yes, not everyone, the others migrated to the cities.
So now, some might now be baking carbon parts or even building your city's
next Protected Bike Lane.
https://bangkokherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Nakhon-Ratchasima-Ring-Road-Collapse-Workers-Hurt-2.jpg


not only.

Brasil:
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/two-dead...llapses-in-rio

Italy seems to have lost Imperial Roman engineering mojo:
https://extra.ie/2018/08/15/news/wor...pse-death-toll

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

John B. wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jan 2021 21:53:36 -0500, Joy Beeson
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 22:06:57 +0100, Sepp Ruf
wrote:

Now that you mention it ... before Midwestern corn farming became a chemical
industry, were the harvested fields burnt as they liked to do in Europe?

The fields had fences around them, and after harvest Dad would let the
hogs clean them up.

He did burn the fence rows to keep them from turning into hedge rows.
My younger sister and I wear deployed with scoop shovels to keep the
fire from spreading into the field.

My older sister once noticed a neighbor burning a field when the wind
was blowing toward her woods and called the fire department on him. I
don't recall any other incident of using fire to clean up a field.

My cousin baled the straw after growing winter wheat to get it off the
field in time to plant beans.

When there were cane fields in Hawaii, they burned them *before*
harvest. I saw the fires, but don't remember seeing how the cane was
cut.

In Indonesia, and perhaps in other countries, mature sugar cane fields
are burned before harvesting. This burns off all the leaves and leaves
only the stocks which apparently aren't harmed by the fire. It also
gets rid of snakes and other venomous creatures.

I was once working at an oil processing station roughly in the center
of a measured square mile of sugar cane when they fired it. It is a
rather awe inspiring sight to see a square mile around you go up in
flame. Rather terrifying in fact :-(
.

Especially when the only thing between you and the flames is a facility
full of flammable hydrocarbons.

On Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 7:55:30 PM UTC-6, John B. wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 16:56:42 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Friday, January 15, 2021 at 3:49:54 PM UTC-8, Duane wrote:
AMuzi wrote:
Leaving aside my reservations on the newish UK 'supreme
court' scheme, this raises some very large questions:

https://cyclingindustry.news/supreme...-interruption/

Hoping for comment from Mr Beattie, and all of you who have
thoughts to offer.

In my understanding, a business flooded which did not
purchase flood insurance is just out. Which is as it should
be IMHO. The damage looks to me from regulatory action, not
the chinese weapon itself. I can't see how a contract[1]
could have an exclusion removed ex post facto. But I'm open
to other ideas.

[1] We do not of course know the language of every pertinent
contract in the class.
It’s hard for me to reply to you when you reference the Chinese weapon.
Most people I know call it Trump’s virus.
But aside from that, I’m worried about most of the small businesses that we
depend on. LBS and restaurants in particular.
I think that we're in agreement. A very large number of the Democrats employed or had intimate relations with what the DHS called "spies" Biden, his brother and his son all were being paid off by China in LARGE amounts of capital. (I think it was said that a more or less penniless Biden started living in $20 Million homes from the first time he was elected. While the attention was being focused on Hunter Biden's job for a Ukrainian energy company why was Nancy Pelosi's son completely ignored? He was in the same sort of position. How was it that Paul Sr., Nancy's husband was getting no-bid government contracts in areas in which he had no experience nor expertise?

The normal way in which China bribes people is through their family members so that there's no direct link from the Chinese government to the bribed official.
Tommy boy, how would you know "The normal way in which China bribes
people"? Have you been to China? Do you speak Chinese (any dialect)?
Where do you get your brilliant insights into Chinese policy?

Or is this just another one of your bizarre fantasies?
--
Cheers,

John B.

Lots of videos on Chinese negotiations. They find people who know the political leaders then meet with them before the official meeting with the political leader. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G1EyvRZmOs

Also look up the Chinese Belt and Road initiative, where they pay for Ports and Roads and Trains in the form of a loan, then foreclose on the loan. One huge impact was on Australia, where they decided the work on a port wasn't up to quality, so they didn't accept the work. China retaliated by banning the purchase of coal, and are running a severe coal shortage this winter.

On Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 6:19:12 PM UTC-6, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 12:11:14 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote:
On 1/21/2021 12:53 AM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 21:06:20 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:
In case you are unaware of it, the standard farm is only 40 acres.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...us-since-2000/

:-) It's like shooting fish in a barrel, isn't it?
I vaguely recall that Mythbuseters or someone on YouTube tried the
fish in a barrel or swimming pool using a .22 revolver. The water
slowed the bullet down to almost a stop after a few inches. Some
bullets bounced off the fish. When they switched to a higher power
rifle, they couldn't hit the fish because of parallax at the water/air
boundary. Also the spinning bullet didn't go through the water in a
straight line.

Also, the criteria that Statista cites for a farm follows the IRS
definition of being able to use cash accounting on taxes instead of
accrual accounting. Lots of other benefits to being a farmer:
https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/ten-helpful-tips-for-farm-tax-returns
My guess(tm) is that they used the UDA numbers:
Farms and Land in Farms 2019 Summary, February 2020
https://www.nass.usda.gov/Publications/Todays_Reports/reports/fnlo0220.pdf
To many wealthy individuals, the benefits of being able to deduct
income when it is received, rather than when the income is billed, is
substantial. The result are large numbers of small "farms" where the
major product grown are tax deductions. If I remove such tax farms
from the list of farms, the average size of farms that actually
produce something that can be eaten, is rather large. It certainly
will be larger than 40 acres.

It would be interesting to know the median size of US farms:
Farm Size and the Organization of U.S. Crop Farming (2013)
https://www.ers.usda.gov/webdocs/publications/45108/39359_err152.pdf
The midpoint acreage for U.S. cropland nearly doubled
between 1982 and 2007, from 589 acres to 1,105.
Looks like the conglomerates and corporate farms are growing.

How to Use a Small Farm for Tax Write Offs
https://smallbusiness.chron.com/use-small-farm-tax-write-offs-15880.html

For entertainment, you might enjoy comparing where the fishing fleets
are actually fishing, versus the boundary lines around protected
areas.
https://globalfishingwatch.org
https://globalfishingwatch.org/map/
Zoom in on the Galapagos Islands for a good example of violations of a
protected zone. That's small pickings compared to what's now
happening off the coast of Peru in the last 30 days. By clicking on
the "1 month", you can extend the time to "3 months" to see the real
mess or drag the white dots for up to 1 year. Yep, fish farming is
big business until we kill off all the fish.



--
Jeff Liebermann
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

The problem with underwater guns is that supersonic bullets are stopped almost immediately. subsonic bullets (black powder) are bare slowed down and work well. Or specially designed weapons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_firearm

On Friday, January 22, 2021 at 2:35:58 PM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote:
I remember riding west out of Walla Walla WA and being passed by trucks
with huge trailers full of onions. We were dodging onions that had
fallen onto the road.


--
- Frank Krygowski
At least it wasn't horse apples.

On Saturday, January 23, 2021 at 8:55:48 PM UTC-6, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
I've read that a lot of our food today is a fair bit less nutritious than food was in the 1960 , wheat being among those.

Cheers
In the 1950s and 1960s, they induced mutations in food crops to increase crop yield per acre without considering the health value of the food.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbBURnqYVzw

Some people are going back to native grasses to get a healthier food. https://research.ucdavis.edu/jorge-dubcovsky-3/

On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 8:50:25 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/23/2021 4:33 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 13:23:51 -0500, Joy Beeson
wrote:

A proper tomato would splat when dropped from a much smaller height.

I just drop tested a Roma tomato.
https://www.google.com/search?q=roma+tomato&tbm=isch
At about 3ft high off my vinyl kitchen floor, it sorta bounced a
little. No damage or dents. I then dropped it 4 times from about 6ft
(by holding it over my head). The first 3 hits just bounced a tiny
amount and rolled. However, on the 4th hit, the tomato landed on the
blossom end (opposite the vine end) and split slightly open. Only the
outer wall split and none of the contents gushed out. I then cleaned
the tomato and added it to my salad lunch.

My guess(tm) is that a Roma tomato can probably survive falling off a
truck without splitting open or going splat mostly because it has a
rather thick and dense pulp.




A great effort for the advancement of science, thanks.

Tomatoes for grocery/restaurant are picked early but
tomatoes for canning are picked ripe. In my area, canning
plants run 24 hours in season with trucks running all over
the area.

I lived near a Del Monte cannery in San Jose that canned tomatoes and made catsup. It had an acrid odor that was not tremendously pleasant. My sister worked there during college in the summer and had stories about the allowable number of tomato worms what went into catsup -- and the amount floor sweeping allowed in pickle relish (another product produced there, although the pickles were pickled cross town, which produced its own smell).

-- Jay Beattie.

On Friday, January 22, 2021 at 11:42:55 AM UTC-8, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 08:33:30 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 8:32:54 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 17:31:43 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:

On Thursday, January 21, 2021 at 9:11:16 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 1/21/2021 12:53 AM, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 21:06:20 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
wrote:
In case you are unaware of it, the standard farm is only 40 acres..

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...us-since-2000/
:-) It's like shooting fish in a barrel, isn't it?
https://www.lodigrowers.com/wp-conte...012-census.jpg

It might help to use slightly later data. From the US Farm Census for
2017[1]:
https://www.nass.usda.gov/Publications/AgCensus/2017/Full_Report/Volume_1,_Chapter_1_US/st99_1_0001_0001.pdf
Dividing 900,217,576 acres of farmland, by 2,042,220 farms, I get an
average of 441 acres per farm. Yet, you stated in a previous message:
"In case you are unaware of it, the standard farm is only 40 acres"
I'm not aware of it so I would like to know where you found or how you
calculated a number that is off by a factor of 10.

More pubs and sources for US Farm Census:
https://www.nass.usda.gov/AgCensus/index.php
https://www.nass.usda.gov/Publications/AgCensus/2017/Full_Report/Volume_1,_Chapter_1_US/

[1] Nothing later seems to be available after the election of what's
his name in 2016.

Is there some reason you find it necessary to be consciously aware
that most of the corn and soybean farms in the great plains are
owned by a single company and comprise 100,000 acres or more which
offsets that "average farm size" to make that preposterous number
of 443 acres per farm? Why don't you go over to Half Moon Bay and
tell them that the farmers have 443 acre farms?
Nice commentary. Now, back to my question. Where did you find the 40
acres number or how did you calculate it? Quoting your previous
statement again:
"In case you are unaware of it, the standard farm is only 40 acres"
I don't care where you think an easily calculated value of 443 acre
average farm size is right, wrong, slanted, tweaked, misleading, or
absurd. I want to know where you found or contrived the 40 acres
number. In case it's not obvious to you by now, I don't trust your
numbers.

By the way, what is a "standard farm"? Is that where they grow
standards?
I suppose the
question is: why did you posting when you should have known totally
different when Santa Cruz county is filled with 3 acre Christmas
Tree farms?
What do Christmas tree farms have to do with your statement that "the
standard farm is only 40 acres"? Nice try to divert the discussion to
Christmas tree farms.

It appears that I misunderstood what was based upon the Homestead Act. You could GET 160 acres if you planted 40 acres. All of the ranches and farms I knew in the family were 40 acre plots and my cousin's land in San Jose was grabbed by the state government and El Camino Real put in over the Walnut orchard. After these land grants I believe you had to farm these for a certain number of years whereupon you gain complete possession meaning that you could sell is as personal property.

"The homestead was an area of public land in the West (usually 160 acres or 65 ha) granted to any US citizen willing to settle on and farm the land. The law (and those following it) required a three-step procedu file an application, improve the land, and file for the patent (deed). Any citizen who had never taken up arms against the U.S. government (including freed slaves after the fourteenth amendment) and was at least 21 years old or the head of a household, could file an application to claim a federal land grant. Women were eligible. The occupant had to reside on the land for five years, and show evidence of having made improvements. The process had to be complete within seven years."