If you visit UK - get a taxi!

Frank Krygowski writes:

On 6/11/2014 6:38 AM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:08:50 -0700 (PDT), Dan O
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:41:21 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/10/2014 2:03 PM, Ian Field wrote:

Move to quadruple motorway speeding fines to ?10,000 branded 'draconian'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-10000-3668437

Looks like maximum fine for "unauthorised cycle racing on public ways"
will increase from ?200 to ?800. That seems a little harsh. Would it
apply if a friend and I sprint for a city limit sign?

It depends.

snip

I suspect that the word "cycle" is not intended to refer to Bi-cycles.
More likely to Motor-cycles :-)

That's possible, but I think it's unlikely. The remainder of the
paragraph specifically mentioned "motorcycles" regarding a separate
offense. I think racing a motorcycle would be legally equivalent to
racing a car, i.e. both legally treated as "motor vehicles."

Here's the full paragraph:

"The new fine structure will see fines for "level one" offences such
as "unauthorised cycle racing on public ways" or being found drunk on
a highway increase from £200 to £800, while people convicted of "level
two" crimes such as riding a motorcycle without a crash helmet or
being drunk in a football ground will see the maximum penalty rise
from £500 to £2,000."

IIRC, for a long time even time trialing was considered illegal in Britain.

My understanding is that for a long time, time trialing was the only
legal bicycle racing allowed in Britain on public roads. No pack
racing.

--
Joe Riel

"John B." wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:08:50 -0700 (PDT), Dan O
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:41:21 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/10/2014 2:03 PM, Ian Field wrote:

Move to quadruple motorway speeding fines to ?10,000 branded
'draconian'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-10000-3668437

Looks like maximum fine for "unauthorised cycle racing on public ways"
will increase from ?200 to ?800. That seems a little harsh. Would it
apply if a friend and I sprint for a city limit sign?

It depends.

snip

I suspect that the word "cycle" is not intended to refer to Bi-cycles.
More likely to Motor-cycles :-)

The UK government only uses the name "Conservative" to fool gullible voters.
Their real name is Toraidhe (pr, toorayhee) - its the Gaellic origin of the
word Tory which translates to persuer/bandit.

They will no doubt be stealing as much as possible from bicyclists as from
anyone else.

Generally speaking, motorists are an easy target - motorcyclists are an even
easier target.

UK motorists are robbed vast sums of money in road tax so the government can
fulfill its statutory duty to maintain the roads in a fit and safe state to
use - and then don't.

Most motorists pay several times over again, repairing damage done to their
vehicles by pot-holes.

"Joe Riel" wrote in message
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Frank Krygowski writes:

On 6/11/2014 6:38 AM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:08:50 -0700 (PDT), Dan O
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:41:21 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/10/2014 2:03 PM, Ian Field wrote:

Move to quadruple motorway speeding fines to ?10,000 branded
'draconian'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-10000-3668437

Looks like maximum fine for "unauthorised cycle racing on public ways"
will increase from ?200 to ?800. That seems a little harsh. Would it
apply if a friend and I sprint for a city limit sign?

It depends.

snip

I suspect that the word "cycle" is not intended to refer to Bi-cycles.
More likely to Motor-cycles :-)

That's possible, but I think it's unlikely. The remainder of the
paragraph specifically mentioned "motorcycles" regarding a separate
offense. I think racing a motorcycle would be legally equivalent to
racing a car, i.e. both legally treated as "motor vehicles."

Here's the full paragraph:

"The new fine structure will see fines for "level one" offences such
as "unauthorised cycle racing on public ways" or being found drunk on
a highway increase from £200 to £800, while people convicted of "level
two" crimes such as riding a motorcycle without a crash helmet or
being drunk in a football ground will see the maximum penalty rise
from £500 to £2,000."

IIRC, for a long time even time trialing was considered illegal in
Britain.

My understanding is that for a long time, time trialing was the only
legal bicycle racing allowed in Britain on public roads. No pack
racing.

No doubt the Toraidhe will find interpretations of the law that maximise
their profits.

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:01:58 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/11/2014 6:38 AM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:08:50 -0700 (PDT), Dan O
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:41:21 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/10/2014 2:03 PM, Ian Field wrote:

Move to quadruple motorway speeding fines to ?10,000 branded 'draconian'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-10000-3668437

Looks like maximum fine for "unauthorised cycle racing on public ways"
will increase from ?200 to ?800. That seems a little harsh. Would it
apply if a friend and I sprint for a city limit sign?

It depends.

snip

I suspect that the word "cycle" is not intended to refer to Bi-cycles.
More likely to Motor-cycles :-)

That's possible, but I think it's unlikely. The remainder of the
paragraph specifically mentioned "motorcycles" regarding a separate
offense. I think racing a motorcycle would be legally equivalent to
racing a car, i.e. both legally treated as "motor vehicles."

Here's the full paragraph:

"The new fine structure will see fines for "level one" offences such as
"unauthorised cycle racing on public ways" or being found drunk on a
highway increase from £200 to £800, while people convicted of "level
two" crimes such as riding a motorcycle without a crash helmet or being
drunk in a football ground will see the maximum penalty rise from £500
to £2,000."

IIRC, for a long time even time trialing was considered illegal in Britain.

But I'm not in Britain. Perhaps Phil can comment.

Well, I didn't read it, but perhaps the British are inundated with
demon racers pedaling madly here and there and the only solution is to
penalize them.

But more seriously, why do people promulgate laws that they object to
obeying.
--
Cheers,

Jphn B.

On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 5:40:15 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:01:58 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/11/2014 6:38 AM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:08:50 -0700 (PDT), Dan O wrote:
On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:41:21 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/10/2014 2:03 PM, Ian Field wrote:

Move to quadruple motorway speeding fines to ?10,000 branded 'draconian'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-10000-3668437

Looks like maximum fine for "unauthorised cycle racing on public ways"
will increase from ?200 to ?800. That seems a little harsh. Would it
apply if a friend and I sprint for a city limit sign?

It depends.

snip

I suspect that the word "cycle" is not intended to refer to Bi-cycles.
More likely to Motor-cycles :-)

That's possible, but I think it's unlikely. The remainder of the
paragraph specifically mentioned "motorcycles" regarding a separate
offense. I think racing a motorcycle would be legally equivalent to
racing a car, i.e. both legally treated as "motor vehicles."

Here's the full paragraph:

"The new fine structure will see fines for "level one" offences such as
"unauthorised cycle racing on public ways" or being found drunk on a
highway increase from �200 to �800, while people convicted of "level
two" crimes such as riding a motorcycle without a crash helmet or being
drunk in a football ground will see the maximum penalty rise from �500
to �2,000."

IIRC, for a long time even time trialing was considered illegal in Britain.

But I'm not in Britain. Perhaps Phil can comment.

Well, I didn't read it, but perhaps the British are inundated with
demon racers pedaling madly here and there and the only solution is to
penalize them.

But more seriously, why do people promulgate laws that they object to
obeying.

Because they know its application depends.

On 6/11/2014 8:40 PM, John B. wrote:


But more seriously, why do people promulgate laws that they object to
obeying.

I think the promulgating group is usually different than the objecting
group.

--
- Frank Krygowski

http://goo.gl/AdYUJG

not the specific incident(s) I looked for, the one I new of is on the east coast in an upper mid area with a main 4 way stop....on the peloton's weekend route.

Cyclists were politely asked to STOP they did not...prob was old age nervous systems...too much alkaloid..

so one Sunday, $250 tickets were passed out infuriating cyclists.

Not far removed from the 3rd World Arab effect

izzit ?

On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 6:12:17 PM UTC+1, Ian Field wrote:

The UK government only uses the name "Conservative" to fool gullible voters.

Their real name is Toraidhe (pr, toorayhee) - its the Gaellic origin of the

The Tory Party hasn't been conservative since Winston Churchill* set up a committee to set policy for the Conservatives to survive in the postwar "country fit for heroes to return to"; RAB Butler and Duncan Sandys both later said that this was the point at which they decided to turn socialist and democratize the party, which eventually led to the butcher's son Heath and the shopkeeper's daughter Thatcher being in charge, on a limp jerk, the other the greatest British Prime Minister next to Churchill in a couple of centuries. If you don't grasp that Thatcher was a socialist, ask yourself who wrecked the schools by turning them "comprehensive" (it was Thatcher, in the days before Keith Joseph whispered in her ear, as much as Shirley Williams), or ask who gave the workers their houses, previously the property of the State, or ask who gave the workers control of their unions in place of the gangsters who previously ran these unions -- the answer to all of these is Thatcher.

UK motorists are robbed vast sums of money in road tax so the government can

fulfill its statutory duty to maintain the roads in a fit and safe state to

use - and then don't.

I don't think so, Ian. Generally speaking, taxes, excise and customs income, royalties from gas and oil in the North Sea, license fees, etc, all go into something called General Revenue. There are very, very few taxes that are specifically tied to any purpose. The biggest scandal is the contribution taken from you salary to pay you a pension on retirement: the government hasn't invested it in a pension fund, it's just spent it.

Andre Jute

*Churchill, so often painted as an arch-Conservative by the ignorant and the polical point-scorers, was no conservative whatsoever, and he was, characteristically, the first to know it and say it: near the end of his life he said he was a lifelong Liberal (with the cap, meaning the pre-WW1 Liberal Party). Churchill helped to bring in the Old Age Pension and other "socialist" measures in the 1911 budget, one of the best ever (and a straight copy of what Bismarck did in Germany nearly two generations before).

"John B." wrote in message
...
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 11:01:58 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 6/11/2014 6:38 AM, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:08:50 -0700 (PDT), Dan O
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:41:21 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/10/2014 2:03 PM, Ian Field wrote:

Move to quadruple motorway speeding fines to ?10,000 branded
'draconian'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-10000-3668437

Looks like maximum fine for "unauthorised cycle racing on public ways"
will increase from ?200 to ?800. That seems a little harsh. Would it
apply if a friend and I sprint for a city limit sign?

It depends.

snip

I suspect that the word "cycle" is not intended to refer to Bi-cycles.
More likely to Motor-cycles :-)

That's possible, but I think it's unlikely. The remainder of the
paragraph specifically mentioned "motorcycles" regarding a separate
offense. I think racing a motorcycle would be legally equivalent to
racing a car, i.e. both legally treated as "motor vehicles."

Here's the full paragraph:

"The new fine structure will see fines for "level one" offences such as
"unauthorised cycle racing on public ways" or being found drunk on a
highway increase from £200 to £800, while people convicted of "level
two" crimes such as riding a motorcycle without a crash helmet or being
drunk in a football ground will see the maximum penalty rise from £500
to £2,000."

IIRC, for a long time even time trialing was considered illegal in
Britain.

But I'm not in Britain. Perhaps Phil can comment.

Well, I didn't read it, but perhaps the British are inundated with
demon racers pedaling madly here and there and the only solution is to
penalize them.

I've been towed by a motorcycle a couple of times at speeds up to 70mph -
but I made sure any old-bill weren't looking first.

In my college days I had a bicycle speedometer with scale up to 40kmph -
there was a downhill run on the way to college where I regularly endstopped
it - not so much on the way back though.

"Phil W Lee" wrote in message
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"Ian Field" considered Wed, 11 Jun
2014 18:12:17 +0100 the perfect time to write:



"John B." wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 22:08:50 -0700 (PDT), Dan O
wrote:

On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:41:21 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 6/10/2014 2:03 PM, Ian Field wrote:

Move to quadruple motorway speeding fines to ?10,000 branded
'draconian'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-10000-3668437

Looks like maximum fine for "unauthorised cycle racing on public ways"
will increase from ?200 to ?800. That seems a little harsh. Would it
apply if a friend and I sprint for a city limit sign?

It depends.

snip

I suspect that the word "cycle" is not intended to refer to Bi-cycles.
More likely to Motor-cycles :-)

The UK government only uses the name "Conservative" to fool gullible
voters.
Their real name is Toraidhe (pr, toorayhee) - its the Gaellic origin of
the
word Tory which translates to persuer/bandit.

They will no doubt be stealing as much as possible from bicyclists as from
anyone else.

Generally speaking, motorists are an easy target - motorcyclists are an
even
easier target.

UK motorists are robbed vast sums of money in road tax so the government
can
fulfill its statutory duty to maintain the roads in a fit and safe state
to
use - and then don't.

That's because the "vast sums of money" don't come close to paying the
cost of maintaining the roads,

Motorists pay huge sums in road tax - presumably most of that ends up in
government minister's offshore accounts, hence the need to sting motorists
again and again and again and...................