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Catching a breakaway
I have been hooked on to watching Cycling.
What amazes me is that a breakaway can occur, now some of these breakaways get a 5 to 10 minute lead. I am talking elite tour riders, now these guys are super fit, all of them are. So I am amazed that the peleton can catch a breakaway that has a 10 minute lead. |
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On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 20:42:22 +1000, Tony wrote:
So I am amazed that the peleton can catch a breakaway that has a 10 minute lead. Why? Given roughly the same level of individual ability, a larger group will always eventually catch a smaller one thanks to more drafting. But sometimes the finish line intervenes :-) -- bpo gallery at http://www4.tpgi.com.au/users/mvw1/bpo |
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Tony Wrote: I have been hooked on to watching Cycling. What amazes me is that a breakaway can occur, now some of thes breakaways get a 5 to 10 minute lead. I am talking elite tour riders, now these guys are super fit, all o them are. So I am amazed that the peleton can catch a breakaway that has a 1 minute lead. Itīs amazing just how hard the the peloton can go when they want to bu its not that amazing i dont feel when they catch a breakaway Breakawayīs can be doomed right from the start and riders in it wil know. Alot of the time they are let go because the riders are up ther getting airtime and advertising the teams sponsers. Depending on wha teams/team are chasing and what for they will have lots of reasonabl fresh riders, who have saved energy riding in the bunch, mostly out o the wind, whoes job it is to get on the front and ride a bloody fas tempo to catch a breakaway. Instead the breakaway have been going a hard as they can most of the race, they have been out in the win taking lots of turns each and are hurting big time. A good example like at the Tour for instance would be a flat stage fo the sprinterīs. Maybe the peloton let a break of 5 or 6 guys go the the break eventually gets a lead of 8 mins to 10 mins. Now th sprinters like McEwen, Boonen, Petacchi (not to mention othe sprinters) think ok i want this stage under control they will just sen team mates to the front who then really give it full gas taking turn off the front. Some of these teams will have 7 or 8 guys ready to d this, now add to that 3 or 4 other teams contributing riders an working together you have alot of horsepower there to mowdown th breakaway. Teams do mess it up though and breaks make it all the wa but mostly the break is kept in some sorta check. Its really mor amazing if breakaways make it to the finish. I know this might be difficult but if you ever get a chance watch las years Paris Tours race. Won by a constant attacking Dekker in breakaway. It was pretty amazing and probably the best racing moment o the year. Teams not taking enough control, some unwilling to work attacks, a crash, lots of drama . 'or read the race report' (http://tinyurl.com/6dag8 -- oely |
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oely wrote:
Its really more amazing if breakaways make it to the finish. Yeah. It's even harder for breaks to succeed in the tour (compared to club racing) because the teams _know_ how far up the road the break is and often how good the breakaway riders are. Win in a break in the tour you are a legend! You will often hear Phil and Paul talk about the 10k/10min rule(?). I think that if the break has less than 10k's to go and the peloton is more than 10min behind - the break will likely succeed? (someone correct me if you know the theory). Club racing doesn't have the radios, tv coverage, team directors and race intelligence to be able to control the breaks so much. Once the break is out of sight it has a better chance than a tdf break does. hippy - sticking with bunch sprints from now on |
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hippy Wrote: oely wrote: Its really more amazing if breakaways make it to the finish. Yeah. It's even harder for breaks to succeed in the tour (compared to club racing) because the teams _know_ how far up the road the break is and often how good the breakaway riders are. Win in a break in th tour you are a legend! You will often hear Phil and Paul talk about the 10k/10min rule(?). I think that if the break has less than 10k's to go and the peloton is more than 10min behind - the break will likely succeed? (someon correct me if you know the theory). Club racing doesn't have the radios, tv coverage, team directors and race intelligence to be able to control the breaks so much. Once the break is out of sight it has a better chance than a tdf break does. hippy - sticking with bunch sprints from now on Are there crit racing circuits with a hill that could create some sort winning selection? Im hoping to get into some as low a grade as possibl racing when/if i return to Aus and i canīt sprint for ****, will thi mean id never stand a chance of winning? or will i need to pay off som stronger riders to get in a break with me -- oely |
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oely wrote:
Are there crit racing circuits with a hill that could create some sorta winning selection? Im hoping to get into some as low a grade as possible racing when/if i return to Aus and i canīt sprint for ****, will this mean id never stand a chance of winning? or will i need to pay off some stronger riders to get in a break with me? one word.. one hill.. Kew... oh and they sprint up the hill to the finish :| Not much chance of tonights Kew crit going ahead, hasnt stopped raining for about 15hrs and there is no clear sky in sight cheers, GPL |
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oely wrote:
Are there crit racing circuits with a hill that could create some sorta winning selection? Im hoping to get into some as low a grade as possible racing when/if i return to Aus and i canīt sprint for ****, will this mean id never stand a chance of winning? or will i need to pay off some stronger riders to get in a break with me? If you can't sprint, racing crits is gonna mean lots of losing. But, hey, I'm supposed to be able to sprint and I lose all the time!! There's always winter road racing where power/weight is much more important for the hilly circuits. Leaner, stronger climbing type guys often 'tend' to do better in these. Kew Crits, assuming you're returning to Melbourne, have the largest hill of any of the circuits I've seen. Nyadale Drive (I think) has a ******* uphill finish too. hippy |
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hippy Wrote: oely wrote: Are there crit racing circuits with a hill that could create som sorta winning selection? Im hoping to get into some as low a grade a possible racing when/if i return to Aus and i canīt sprint for ****, wil this mean id never stand a chance of winning? or will i need to pay of some stronger riders to get in a break with me? If you can't sprint, racing crits is gonna mean lots of losing. But, hey, I'm supposed to be able to sprint and I lose all the time!! There's always winter road racing where power/weight is much more important for the hilly circuits. Leaner, stronger climbing type guys often 'tend' to do better in these. Kew Crits, assuming you're returning to Melbourne, have the larges hill of any of the circuits I've seen. Nyadale Drive (I think) has ******* uphill finish too. hippy The Oakville course that Parramatta CC uses has a bit of up and down usually a small break will get away (though not a solo break). Yo don't always need hills though, Heffron Park seems to get its fai share of successful breaks/splits when it's windy. The course is quit exposed to wind and splits in the bunch can get hard to close down. When I think back to last year, I won a C-grade race at Marconi with break of three that took off around a lap and a half to go (about 5k per lap). It wasn't super hilly, but it had a bit of up and down. Ahh, past glories... Ritc -- ritcho |
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