another case of clinical "asthma"

http://velonews.com/article/85515/leogrande-suspended


Leogrande also lost credibility with the panel over the issue
of Ventolin, an albuterol inhaler. He first testified that he
had never heard of Ventolin and never had an inhaler. However
he later recalled that he had an inhaler, which he called a
puffer, and had told a doping-control officer about it, but
that he did not know the name of the product.

Other evidence in the case included pictures of Leogrande
holding EPO vials that were taken by rider Joe Papp and a note
that read: ìJoe, 2 boxes G. 100 iu; 7 boxes E. 60,000; $500. I
owed you! Thanks, Kayle.î

------------------------------

Thanks,

Magilla

MagillaGorilla wrote:
http://velonews.com/article/85515/leogrande-suspended


*Leogrande also lost credibility with the panel over the issue of
Ventolin, an albuterol inhaler. He first testified that he had never
heard of Ventolin and never had an inhaler. However he later
recalled that he had an inhaler, which he called a puffer, and had
told a doping-control officer about it, but that he did not know the
name of the product.***

*Other evidence in the case included pictures of Leogrande holding
EPO vials that were taken by rider Joe Papp and a note that read:
“Joe, 2 boxes G. 100 iu; 7 boxes E. 60,000; $500. I owed you!
Thanks, Kayle.”*


------------------------------

Thanks,

Magilla

Since you're the one who used the word clinical, explain how it applies
here.

Carl Sundquist wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:
http://velonews.com/article/85515/leogrande-suspended


*Leogrande also lost credibility with the panel over the issue of
Ventolin, an albuterol inhaler. He first testified that he had never
heard of Ventolin and never had an inhaler. However he later
recalled that he had an inhaler, which he called a puffer, and had
told a doping-control officer about it, but that he did not know the
name of the product.***

*Other evidence in the case included pictures of Leogrande holding
EPO vials that were taken by rider Joe Papp and a note that read:
“Joe, 2 boxes G. 100 iu; 7 boxes E. 60,000; $500. I owed you!
Thanks, Kayle.”*


------------------------------

Thanks,

Magilla

Since you're the one who used the word clinical, explain how it applies
here.

Leogrande obviously told the doping control officer about it because he was
told that all he had to do was claim he had asthma. But then he realized he
didn't bother to get the doctor's note.

But if Leogrande wanted to, he could have gotten an asthma diagnosis and Rx
from any doctor. No doubt about it. None. And the USADA would have given
him the TUE.

My point is, where do you think Leogrande - an obviously stupid guy judging
by his tattoos and EPO photo - got the idea to use asthma inhalers if he
doesn't have asthma? Do you think he got that idea from, oh I don't
know...... ALL THE OTHER PROS WHO DO THE SAME THING?


Thanks,


Magilla

On Dec 2, 6:52*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Carl Sundquist wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote:
http://velonews.com/article/85515/leogrande-suspended

* * *Leogrande also lost credibility with the panel over the issue of
* * Ventolin, an albuterol inhaler. He first testified that he had never
* * heard of Ventolin and never had an inhaler. However he later
* * recalled that he had an inhaler, which he called a puffer, and had
* * told a doping-control officer about it, but that he did not know the
* * name of the product.***

* * *Other evidence in the case included pictures of Leogrande holding
* * EPO vials that were taken by rider Joe Papp and a note that read:
* * “Joe, 2 boxes G. 100 iu; 7 boxes E. 60,000; $500. I owed you!
* * Thanks, Kayle.”*

------------------------------

Thanks,

Magilla

Since you're the one who used the word clinical, explain how it applies
here.

Leogrande obviously told the doping control officer about it because he was
told that all he had to do was claim he had asthma. *But then he realized he
didn't bother to get the doctor's note.

But if Leogrande wanted to, he could have gotten an asthma diagnosis and Rx
from any doctor. *No doubt about it. *None. *And the USADA would have given
him the TUE.

My point is, where do you think Leogrande - an obviously stupid guy judging
by his tattoos and EPO photo - got the idea to use asthma inhalers if he
doesn't have asthma? *Do you think he got that idea from, oh I don't
know...... ALL THE OTHER PROS WHO DO THE SAME THING?

Thanks,

Magilla- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh, my god... your note just triggered a memory that I'd long
suppressed. Way back in '92 or '93 I went out to the Redlands Classic
with a bunch of guys on a small team who were competing there for the
first time. I was there in the role of "team manager" for the
weekend. I never gave it any thought, not then, or now, until reading
your message... how strange it was that all these guys (just plain ol'
cat II's) were "asthmatic". What a naive young pup I was then.

Scott wrote:

On Dec 2, 6:52*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Carl Sundquist wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote:
http://velonews.com/article/85515/leogrande-suspended

* * *Leogrande also lost credibility with the panel over the issue of
* * Ventolin, an albuterol inhaler. He first testified that he had never
* * heard of Ventolin and never had an inhaler. However he later
* * recalled that he had an inhaler, which he called a puffer, and had
* * told a doping-control officer about it, but that he did not know the
* * name of the product.***

* * *Other evidence in the case included pictures of Leogrande holding
* * EPO vials that were taken by rider Joe Papp and a note that read:
* * “Joe, 2 boxes G. 100 iu; 7 boxes E. 60,000; $500. I owed you!
* * Thanks, Kayle.”*

------------------------------

Thanks,

Magilla

Since you're the one who used the word clinical, explain how it applies
here.

Leogrande obviously told the doping control officer about it because he was
told that all he had to do was claim he had asthma. *But then he realized he
didn't bother to get the doctor's note.

But if Leogrande wanted to, he could have gotten an asthma diagnosis and Rx
from any doctor. *No doubt about it. *None. *And the USADA would have given
him the TUE.

My point is, where do you think Leogrande - an obviously stupid guy judging
by his tattoos and EPO photo - got the idea to use asthma inhalers if he
doesn't have asthma? *Do you think he got that idea from, oh I don't
know...... ALL THE OTHER PROS WHO DO THE SAME THING?

Thanks,

Magilla- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh, my god... your note just triggered a memory that I'd long
suppressed. Way back in '92 or '93 I went out to the Redlands Classic
with a bunch of guys on a small team who were competing there for the
first time. I was there in the role of "team manager" for the
weekend. I never gave it any thought, not then, or now, until reading
your message... how strange it was that all these guys (just plain ol'
cat II's) were "asthmatic". What a naive young pup I was then.

Yes, yes. This is typical of the people in this sport. Everything is just a
ruse.

Magilla

MagillaGorilla wrote:


Yes, yes. This is typical of the people in this sport. Everything is
just a ruse.

Would a ruse by any other name still smell as sweet?

--
Bill Asher

On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:20:55 -0800 (PST), Scott
wrote:

On Dec 2, 6:52*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Carl Sundquist wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote:
http://velonews.com/article/85515/leogrande-suspended

* * *Leogrande also lost credibility with the panel over the issue of
* * Ventolin, an albuterol inhaler. He first testified that he had never
* * heard of Ventolin and never had an inhaler. However he later
* * recalled that he had an inhaler, which he called a puffer, and had
* * told a doping-control officer about it, but that he did not know the
* * name of the product.***

* * *Other evidence in the case included pictures of Leogrande holding
* * EPO vials that were taken by rider Joe Papp and a note that read:
* * “Joe, 2 boxes G. 100 iu; 7 boxes E. 60,000; $500. I owed you!
* * Thanks, Kayle.”*

------------------------------

Thanks,

Magilla

Since you're the one who used the word clinical, explain how it applies
here.

Leogrande obviously told the doping control officer about it because he was
told that all he had to do was claim he had asthma. *But then he realized he
didn't bother to get the doctor's note.

But if Leogrande wanted to, he could have gotten an asthma diagnosis and Rx
from any doctor. *No doubt about it. *None. *And the USADA would have given
him the TUE.

My point is, where do you think Leogrande - an obviously stupid guy judging
by his tattoos and EPO photo - got the idea to use asthma inhalers if he
doesn't have asthma? *Do you think he got that idea from, oh I don't
know...... ALL THE OTHER PROS WHO DO THE SAME THING?

Thanks,

Magilla- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh, my god... your note just triggered a memory that I'd long
suppressed. Way back in '92 or '93 I went out to the Redlands Classic
with a bunch of guys on a small team who were competing there for the
first time. I was there in the role of "team manager" for the
weekend. I never gave it any thought, not then, or now, until reading
your message... how strange it was that all these guys (just plain ol'
cat II's) were "asthmatic". What a naive young pup I was then.

I was in the parking lot of a race in Maine around that time, and one
of the best regional guys says out loud to everyone -- hey, I forgot
my inhaler, does anyone have any Ventolin? (I think that's what he
said). Which I though was odd.

But what was odder was that a bunch of "I do" came from different
directions in the parking lot.

John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:

On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:20:55 -0800 (PST), Scott
wrote:

On Dec 2, 6:52*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Carl Sundquist wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote:
http://velonews.com/article/85515/leogrande-suspended

* * *Leogrande also lost credibility with the panel over the issue of
* * Ventolin, an albuterol inhaler. He first testified that he had never
* * heard of Ventolin and never had an inhaler. However he later
* * recalled that he had an inhaler, which he called a puffer, and had
* * told a doping-control officer about it, but that he did not know the
* * name of the product.***

* * *Other evidence in the case included pictures of Leogrande holding
* * EPO vials that were taken by rider Joe Papp and a note that read:
* * “Joe, 2 boxes G. 100 iu; 7 boxes E. 60,000; $500. I owed you!
* * Thanks, Kayle.”*

------------------------------

Thanks,

Magilla

Since you're the one who used the word clinical, explain how it applies
here.

Leogrande obviously told the doping control officer about it because he was
told that all he had to do was claim he had asthma. *But then he realized he
didn't bother to get the doctor's note.

But if Leogrande wanted to, he could have gotten an asthma diagnosis and Rx
from any doctor. *No doubt about it. *None. *And the USADA would have given
him the TUE.

My point is, where do you think Leogrande - an obviously stupid guy judging
by his tattoos and EPO photo - got the idea to use asthma inhalers if he
doesn't have asthma? *Do you think he got that idea from, oh I don't
know...... ALL THE OTHER PROS WHO DO THE SAME THING?

Thanks,

Magilla- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Oh, my god... your note just triggered a memory that I'd long
suppressed. Way back in '92 or '93 I went out to the Redlands Classic
with a bunch of guys on a small team who were competing there for the
first time. I was there in the role of "team manager" for the
weekend. I never gave it any thought, not then, or now, until reading
your message... how strange it was that all these guys (just plain ol'
cat II's) were "asthmatic". What a naive young pup I was then.

I was in the parking lot of a race in Maine around that time, and one
of the best regional guys says out loud to everyone -- hey, I forgot
my inhaler, does anyone have any Ventolin? (I think that's what he
said). Which I though was odd.

But what was odder was that a bunch of "I do" came from different
directions in the parking lot.

The asthma anecdotes just keep rollin' in....I couldn't have made up a better one
if I had hired writers from Jay Leno.

This is an intervention, Carl. Please put the inhaler down. You won't
suffocate. You can go swimming after you eat too. You won't get cramps and
drown.

Magilla

MagillaGorilla wrote:
Carl Sundquist wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:
http://velonews.com/article/85515/leogrande-suspended


*Leogrande also lost credibility with the panel over the issue of
Ventolin, an albuterol inhaler. He first testified that he had never
heard of Ventolin and never had an inhaler. However he later
recalled that he had an inhaler, which he called a puffer, and had
told a doping-control officer about it, but that he did not know the
name of the product.***

*Other evidence in the case included pictures of Leogrande holding
EPO vials that were taken by rider Joe Papp and a note that read:
“Joe, 2 boxes G. 100 iu; 7 boxes E. 60,000; $500. I owed you!
Thanks, Kayle.”*


------------------------------

Thanks,

Magilla
Since you're the one who used the word clinical, explain how it applies
here.

Leogrande obviously told the doping control officer about it because he was
told that all he had to do was claim he had asthma. But then he realized he
didn't bother to get the doctor's note.

But if Leogrande wanted to, he could have gotten an asthma diagnosis and Rx
from any doctor. No doubt about it. None. And the USADA would have given
him the TUE.

My point is, where do you think Leogrande - an obviously stupid guy judging
by his tattoos and EPO photo - got the idea to use asthma inhalers if he
doesn't have asthma? Do you think he got that idea from, oh I don't
know...... ALL THE OTHER PROS WHO DO THE SAME THING?


Thanks,


Magilla


Where did he get the idea for vicodin? Same place? Do all the other pros
use vicodin?

Unlike your claim that asthma does not exist (that no one else has
supported), I am not aware of a cry that ventolin is not being abused. I
mentioned it at the beginning if this thread as well.

None of which makes his case "clinical".

BTW, I think I recall a while back you said that you don't have a
problem with doping (it is the hypocracy that ****es you off) . I'll try
to find it, but with your spastic bursts of posting it won't easy.

Carl Sundquist wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:
Carl Sundquist wrote:

MagillaGorilla wrote:
http://velonews.com/article/85515/leogrande-suspended


*Leogrande also lost credibility with the panel over the issue of
Ventolin, an albuterol inhaler. He first testified that he had never
heard of Ventolin and never had an inhaler. However he later
recalled that he had an inhaler, which he called a puffer, and had
told a doping-control officer about it, but that he did not know the
name of the product.***

*Other evidence in the case included pictures of Leogrande holding
EPO vials that were taken by rider Joe Papp and a note that read:
“Joe, 2 boxes G. 100 iu; 7 boxes E. 60,000; $500. I owed you!
Thanks, Kayle.”*


------------------------------

Thanks,

Magilla
Since you're the one who used the word clinical, explain how it applies
here.

Leogrande obviously told the doping control officer about it because he was
told that all he had to do was claim he had asthma. But then he realized he
didn't bother to get the doctor's note.

But if Leogrande wanted to, he could have gotten an asthma diagnosis and Rx
from any doctor. No doubt about it. None. And the USADA would have given
him the TUE.

My point is, where do you think Leogrande - an obviously stupid guy judging
by his tattoos and EPO photo - got the idea to use asthma inhalers if he
doesn't have asthma? Do you think he got that idea from, oh I don't
know...... ALL THE OTHER PROS WHO DO THE SAME THING?


Thanks,


Magilla


Where did he get the idea for vicodin? Same place? Do all the other pros
use vicodin?

Unlike your claim that asthma does not exist (that no one else has
supported), I am not aware of a cry that ventolin is not being abused. I
mentioned it at the beginning if this thread as well.

None of which makes his case "clinical".

BTW, I think I recall a while back you said that you don't have a
problem with doping (it is the hypocracy that ****es you off) . I'll try
to find it, but with your spastic bursts of posting it won't easy.

Drinking Gatorade is technically a form of doping. So is eating the right food.
The problem I have with doping is it limits only pharmaceuticals. How come
hypoxic tents are allowed if they give the same benefit as EPO?

How come motorpacing is allowed - that's artificial?

Gatorade..Powerbar...these are special substances designed specifically to
enhance performance, no? There's no nutritional value to them.

I don't see why pharm is treated differently. Or at least I can't get too
righteous about it. But since it's the rules, thems be the rules. Cyclists
agree to abide by these arbitrary rules, so I don't have any sympathy if they get
busted. And claiming you have a medical condition to get a doctor's note is
really gay. Hopefully Prop 8 will prevent this from happening in the future,
since it bans gay lifestyles.


Magilla