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"stabilizing" a stratus?
"Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... Perhaps the problem isn't that you need to have circus performer skills but instead you have lousy coordination. Here is someone who in the past has threatened to kill file me. But of course that is not possible if you are an intelligent person. So Mark passes muster on that score. I did have you kill filed however your moronic posts are far too entertaining to miss I am totally in the mainstream when it comes to coordination and bicycle riding skills. Yet I continue to object to twitchy bikes. I don't believe there is any reason for it. The real problem is that some recumbent bike designers are not up to the mark. In other words, they do not know what they are doing. They remind me of people who are constantly reinventing the wheel - and getting it wrong! For heaven's sakes, it cannot be rocket science to get the trail right! And why the hell can't recumbent designers get the tiller right either? So which specific brands and bikes are too twitchy? That is something on a more personal nature, to some a bike might be twitchy to others not Recumbent designers should all be consulting with another Minnesotan by the name of Mark Stonich who knows what the hell he is talking about with respect to these very elementary design considerations. Frankly, I am fed up with recumbent designers who cannot get the trail right and who cannot get the tiller right. Such designers ought to be taken out and horse whipped to death for all the aggravation they cause. I have lost all patience with them! The problem is that they love to build the g.d. things, but they don't put any effort into designing them. May the devil take them! Umm yea sure |
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"stabilizing" a stratus?
"Mark Leuck" wrote in message news:w84Kc.93803$JR4.65308@attbi_s54... "Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... Perhaps the problem isn't that you need to have circus performer skills but instead you have lousy coordination. Here is someone who in the past has threatened to kill file me. But of course that is not possible if you are an intelligent person. So Mark passes muster on that score. I did have you kill filed however your moronic posts are far too entertaining to miss. I mean to be entertaining if nothing else. I wish I could say the same for all the other posters here. God only knows how boring they are for the most part. You are so-so only. Could be better. You need to work on your communication skills. Try not to write anything that you wouldn't want to read. I am totally in the mainstream when it comes to coordination and bicycle riding skills. Yet I continue to object to twitchy bikes. I don't believe there is any reason for it. The real problem is that some recumbent bike designers are not up to the mark. In other words, they do not know what they are doing. They remind me of people who are constantly reinventing the wheel - and getting it wrong! For heaven's sakes, it cannot be rocket science to get the trail right! And why the hell can't recumbent designers get the tiller right either? So which specific brands and bikes are too twitchy? That is something on a more personal nature, to some a bike might be twitchy to others not I am a generalist and I will not get into specifics on this question. Suffice it to say I have very many recumbents and some are incredibly twitchy and others are not. Same goes for the tiller variable. Some have way too much and some have way too little and others are OK. Recumbent designers should all be consulting with another Minnesotan by the name of Mark Stonich who knows what the hell he is talking about with respect to these very elementary design considerations. Frankly, I am fed up with recumbent designers who cannot get the trail right and who cannot get the tiller right. Such designers ought to be taken out and horse whipped to death for all the aggravation they cause. I have lost all patience with them! The problem is that they love to build the g.d. things, but they don't put any effort into designing them. May the devil take them! Umm yea sure No, I really mean the Devil take them! I simply can't believe that recumbent builders do not have a formula for trail and tiller. If I didn't know how to design proper trail and tiller into a bike I would not presume to be a bike manufacturer. Hells Bells! Even Wal-Mart sells bikes that are perfectly designed. I have got over 15 recumbents and they are all different. The fact that they are all different ought to tell us something, but it doesn't because hope springs eternal in the human breast. Fortunately, I am going to die soon and so will be well out of these eternal conundrums that recumbents present which have almost driven me crazy over the past 20 years. But I have a sense of humor about it all and that is the only thing that has saved me. -- Regards, Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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"Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... So which specific brands and bikes are too twitchy? That is something on a more personal nature, to some a bike might be twitchy to others not I am a generalist and I will not get into specifics on this question. Suffice it to say I have very many recumbents and some are incredibly twitchy and others are not. Same goes for the tiller variable. Some have way too much and some have way too little and others are OK. I find it odd how a supposed "genius" could buy so many bikes without realizing how twitchy they are, I also doubt you really have a recumbent bike at all and horse whipped to death for all the aggravation they cause. I have lost all patience with them! The problem is that they love to build the g.d. things, but they don't put any effort into designing them. May the devil take them! Umm yea sure No, I really mean the Devil take them! I simply can't believe that recumbent builders do not have a formula for trail and tiller. If I didn't know how to design proper trail and tiller into a bike I would not presume to be a bike manufacturer. Hells Bells! Even Wal-Mart sells bikes that are perfectly designed. Wal-Mart may sell bikes with perfect trail but I doubt many will last 100 miles or more, again which specific brand and model bike are you complaining about? I should think this would be a simple question to answer. I own 2 and have ridden maybe 10 and have yet to find a complaint with how they steer, comfort yes but never steer I have got over 15 recumbents and they are all different. I doubt this the fact that they are all different ought to tell us something, but it doesn't because hope springs eternal in the human breast. Fortunately, I am going to die soon and so will be well out of these eternal conundrums that recumbents present which have almost driven me crazy over the past 20 years. But I have a sense of humor about it all and that is the only thing that has saved me. Odd you have spent the last 20 years on purchasing and riding such poorly made bikes, then again that would explain your disposition here |
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On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:13:24 GMT, "Mark Leuck"
wrote in message oswKc.87610$WX.49747@attbi_s51: I find it odd how a supposed "genius" could buy so many bikes without realizing how twitchy they are, I also doubt you really have a recumbent bike at all I think he's riding them all on singletrack - he won't go near the roads ;-) Guy -- May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting. http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk 88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University |
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"Mark Leuck" wrote in message newsswKc.87610$WX.49747@attbi_s51... "Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... So which specific brands and bikes are too twitchy? That is something on a more personal nature, to some a bike might be twitchy to others not I am a generalist and I will not get into specifics on this question. Suffice it to say I have very many recumbents and some are incredibly twitchy and others are not. Same goes for the tiller variable. Some have way too much and some have way too little and others are OK. I find it odd how a supposed "genius" could buy so many bikes without realizing how twitchy they are, I also doubt you really have a recumbent bike at all Mark, why the hell don't you put periods at the end of your sentences? I like recumbents for reasons having to do with factors other than that they are twitchy (mainly comfort). You and I both know that I have very many recumbents. Otherwise, how could I be so knowledgeable about them. and horse whipped to death for all the aggravation they cause. I have lost all patience with them! The problem is that they love to build the g.d. things, but they don't put any effort into designing them. May the devil take them! Umm yea sure No, I really mean the Devil take them! I simply can't believe that recumbent builders do not have a formula for trail and tiller. If I didn't know how to design proper trail and tiller into a bike I would not presume to be a bike manufacturer. Hells Bells! Even Wal-Mart sells bikes that are perfectly designed. Wal-Mart may sell bikes with perfect trail but I doubt many will last 100 miles or more, again which specific brand and model bike are you complaining about? I should think this would be a simple question to answer. I own 2 and have ridden maybe 10 and have yet to find a complaint with how they steer, comfort yes but never steer I have got over 15 recumbents and they are all different. I doubt this Outsiders who come to my house for the first time are simply amazed at all the recumbent bikes I have. They clutter the whole house. I have to tell them that I am not really crazy, just a bit eccentric. I also have over 10 road and mountain bikes too. I have had bike shop owners tell me that I have got more bikes in my house than they have in their store. Most of my bikes were bought as framesets on the cheap and I built them myself. But thanks for asking! By the way, the above proves what it is possible to accomplish in life provided you do not marry and have kids and therefore do not have to hold down a regular job. the fact that they are all different ought to tell us something, but it doesn't because hope springs eternal in the human breast. Fortunately, I am going to die soon and so will be well out of these eternal conundrums that recumbents present which have almost driven me crazy over the past 20 years. But I have a sense of humor about it all and that is the only thing that has saved me. Odd you have spent the last 20 years on purchasing and riding such poorly made bikes, then again that would explain your disposition here My disposition would improve enormously if you would learn how to put a period at the end of your sentences. It is the little things like this that drive me crazy, not the big things like whether I live or die. Most recumbents are not poorly made; they just have not been designed with the proper trail and tiller. That is because recumbent manufacturers do not spend enough time designing them. But they love to build them even though they don't get the design right. Don't we all know folks like this? -- Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message ... On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:13:24 GMT, "Mark Leuck" wrote in message oswKc.87610$WX.49747@attbi_s51: I find it odd how a supposed "genius" could buy so many bikes without realizing how twitchy they are, I also doubt you really have a recumbent bike at all I think he's riding them all on singletrack - he won't go near the roads ;-) My very worst experience ever was riding a mountain bike on single track (trails) in the Rocky Mountains near Aspen in Colorado. I spent the whole damn day just walking my bike up the pass and then I had to walk it back down the other side until I finally came to a gravel road at which point I could get back on my bike. I resolved never again to do anything so stupid and foolish. Trails are for hiking - period! Who are these idiots who think you can ride a bike on a hiking trail? The very best place to ride any kind of a bike are on the streets of a small town. Thus spake Zarathustra! -- Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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"Mark Leuck" wrote in message newsswKc.87610$WX.49747@attbi_s51... [...] Wal-Mart may sell bikes with perfect trail but I doubt many will last 100 miles or more, again which specific brand and model bike are you complaining about? I should think this would be a simple question to answer. I own 2 and have ridden maybe 10 and have yet to find a complaint with how they steer, comfort yes but never steer I am ****ed off before I even start because you have not put a period at the end of your sentence above. Is this your idea of how to alienate people and make enemies? I have several clunker upright bikes that are even worse than what Wal-Mart is now selling and they will last a life time if not abused and a certain amount of minimum maintenance is performed at regular intervals. The main problem with almost all bikes that the kids get regardless of original quality is that they abuse them and do not take care of them. As to my recumbents, I would say that the Vision set up SWB has too much twitchiness (not enough trail). Even set up LWB with OSS it is still too twitchy. I have two other SWB's and the Kowal also has too much twitchiness. The Turner SWB is just the opposite. It seems to have too much trail. I have given up on SWB altogether. My RANS V2 has too much tiller to suit me as does the RANS Tailwind. My Tailwind (a very early version) is also too twitchy. At slow speeds too much tiller and too much twitchyness is a pain in the you know what. My Infinity is also too twitchy. The Tour Easy has got it right. If the trail and the tiller are not right, the bike will not handle as well as it should. All uprights solved these questions over a hundred years ago. It is not possible to get a bad upright with respect to these very elementary design factors. This is not to say that all recumbents are nor rideable even if trail and tiller are not perfect. I can ride them all and have ridden very many of them (except for the latest high racers and low racers). All recumbents should be designed with optimum trail and optimum tiller for the vast majority of cyclists just like uprights are. Then they would all handle pretty much the same regardless of their individual configurations (frame designs). Or so it seems to me. -- Ed Dolan - Minnesota -- Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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"Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... "Mark Leuck" wrote in message I find it odd how a supposed "genius" could buy so many bikes without realizing how twitchy they are, I also doubt you really have a recumbent bike at all Mark, why the hell don't you put periods at the end of your sentences? I like recumbents for reasons having to do with factors other than that they are twitchy (mainly comfort). You and I both know that I have very many recumbents. Otherwise, how could I be so knowledgeable about them. I have yet to see anything you say show knowledge on any of them (note the lack of a period) Again you claim them to be seriously twitchy yet you continued to buy them, how odd I have got over 15 recumbents and they are all different. I doubt this Outsiders who come to my house for the first time are simply amazed at all the recumbent bikes I have. They clutter the whole house. I have to tell them that I am not really crazy, just a bit eccentric. I also have over 10 road and mountain bikes too. I have had bike shop owners tell me that I have got more bikes in my house than they have in their store. Most of my bikes were bought as framesets on the cheap and I built them myself. But thanks for asking! You DO realize that having pictures of recumbent bikes does not qualify as ownership of a real one correct? Odd you have spent the last 20 years on purchasing and riding such poorly made bikes, then again that would explain your disposition here My disposition would improve enormously if you would learn how to put a period at the end of your sentences. It is the little things like this that drive me crazy, not the big things like whether I live or die. Well here's to driving you crazy Most recumbents are not poorly made; they just have not been designed with the proper trail and tiller. That is because recumbent manufacturers do not spend enough time designing them. But they love to build them even though they don't get the design right. Don't we all know folks like this? Since you won't or apparently cannot tell us which particular make and model have poor handling then why don't you tell us all what the proper trail and pitch should be |
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"Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... "Mark Leuck" wrote in message newsswKc.87610$WX.49747@attbi_s51... [...] Wal-Mart may sell bikes with perfect trail but I doubt many will last 100 miles or more, again which specific brand and model bike are you complaining about? I should think this would be a simple question to answer. I own 2 and have ridden maybe 10 and have yet to find a complaint with how they steer, comfort yes but never steer I am ****ed off before I even start because you have not put a period at the end of your sentence above. Is this your idea of how to alienate people and make enemies? It oddly only seems to bother you so therefore the correct word would be "person" instead of "people" I have several clunker upright bikes that are even worse than what Wal-Mart is now selling and they will last a life time if not abused and a certain amount of minimum maintenance is performed at regular intervals. The main problem with almost all bikes that the kids get regardless of original quality is that they abuse them and do not take care of them. Lets see now, you apparently possess 12 ill-handling recumbents and now several junk DF bikes, odd how such a genius could collect garbage like that As to my recumbents, I would say that the Vision set up SWB has too much twitchiness (not enough trail). Even set up LWB with OSS it is still too twitchy. I have two other SWB's and the Kowal also has too much twitchiness. The Turner SWB is just the opposite. It seems to have too much trail. I have given up on SWB altogether. My RANS V2 has too much tiller to suit me as does the RANS Tailwind. My Tailwind (a very early version) is also too twitchy. At slow speeds too much tiller and too much twitchyness is a pain in the you know what. My Infinity is also too twitchy. The Tour Easy has got it right. If the trail and the tiller are not right, the bike will not handle as well as it should. All uprights solved these questions over a hundred years ago. It is not possible to get a bad upright with respect to these very elementary design factors. Don't read off of web pages, I'm referring to bikes you really own but I'll bite anyway Did you not see these things (being the genius) before you purchased them? This is not to say that all recumbents are nor rideable even if trail and tiller are not perfect. I can ride them all and have ridden very many of them (except for the latest high racers and low racers). All recumbents should be designed with optimum trail and optimum tiller for the vast majority of cyclists just like uprights are. Then they would all handle pretty much the same regardless of their individual configurations (frame designs). Or so it seems to me. Welp with 12 ill-handling recumbents so far I doubt you could be satisfied with anything at this point |
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"Mark Leuck" wrote in message news:qoCKc.125990$Oq2.79163@attbi_s52... "Edward Dolan" wrote in message ... "Mark Leuck" wrote in message I find it odd how a supposed "genius" could buy so many bikes without realizing how twitchy they are, I also doubt you really have a recumbent bike at all Mark, why the hell don't you put periods at the end of your sentences? I like recumbents for reasons having to do with factors other than that they are twitchy (mainly comfort). You and I both know that I have very many recumbents. Otherwise, how could I be so knowledgeable about them. I have yet to see anything you say show knowledge on any of them (note the lack of a period) As long as you cannot get your composition right I will continue to hold you in the utmost contempt. The minute you start to top post like that other fool, Bil, then I will cut you lose entirely. Idiots should only be conversing with other idiots, not with geniuses like me. Again you claim them to be seriously twitchy yet you continued to buy them, how odd See my paragraph above for the explanation for it. I do not like to repeat myself just because you do not know how to read. I am asusming others on this group do know how to read even if you don't. I have got over 15 recumbents and they are all different. I doubt this Outsiders who come to my house for the first time are simply amazed at all the recumbent bikes I have. They clutter the whole house. I have to tell them that I am not really crazy, just a bit eccentric. I also have over 10 road and mountain bikes too. I have had bike shop owners tell me that I have got more bikes in my house than they have in their store. Most of my bikes were bought as framesets on the cheap and I built them myself. But thanks for asking! You DO realize that having pictures of recumbent bikes does not qualify as ownership of a real one correct? Odd you have spent the last 20 years on purchasing and riding such poorly made bikes, then again that would explain your disposition here My disposition would improve enormously if you would learn how to put a period at the end of your sentences. It is the little things like this that drive me crazy, not the big things like whether I live or die. Well here's to driving you crazy Most recumbents are not poorly made; they just have not been designed with the proper trail and tiller. That is because recumbent manufacturers do not spend enough time designing them. But they love to build them even though they don't get the design right. Don't we all know folks like this? Since you won't or apparently cannot tell us which particular make and model have poor handling then why don't you tell us all what the proper trail and pitch should be See a follow up post to this one to which you are responding where I go into some of the differences ever so slightly. I do not want this to become an extended conversation about the pros and cons of various recumbents. We have RCN for that. As to proper trail and tiller, that is not my business. I do not design recumbents nor do I manufacture them. I only buy them and ride them. That is most likely all that 99% of us on this newsgroup do too - including you! Who cares what you and I think about bicycle design anymore than anyone should care what we think about nuclear physics or getting to the Moon. We can only know what works for us and what doesn't work for us. -- Ed Dolan - Minnesota |
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