Ontario Helmet Law being pushed through

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 17:27:41 GMT, "Ken [NY)"
wrote:

To the fellow who was thinking about fleeing to Canada from
the horrors of Bush's low tax rates, you might want to think about
this proposed law.

LOL! One of your better ones, Ken :-)

Guy
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88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:46:23 -0500, "Michael"
wrote:

I'm undecided. People who don't wear helmets are stupid plain as day.

If I had a dollar for every helmet zealot who has made this ridiculous
assertion, I could afford to offset the huge amounts the helmet lobby
spend on supporting Handwringers Anonymous to make the claims that the
helmet makers cannot make for legal reasons (the legal reason being:
the claims are bull****).

lemme tell you a small story....

Oh look, a "helmet saved my life" anecdote. Never seen one of those
before, have we?

Since helmets are so effective you will doubtlesss be able to explain
the well-documented 40% increase in cyclist head injury rates in the
USA as helmet use rose from 18% to 50% and cycling dropped by 21%.

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88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

RogerDodger wrote in message ...

Btw, what do motorcycle helmets have to do with bicycling?


I guess the same thing as helmets for skateboarding, rollerblading or
any other sport where you could possible fall on your head and crack
your skull. I was speaking of "choices" we make or should be free to
make.

Unless you wear a motorcycle helmet to ride your bike they have
nothing to do with bicycling. My point was choices we make.

Bill Z. wrote:

Frank Krygowski writes:


Bill Z. wrote:



"Krygowski is trying to cover up the fact that Wolfgang has as much of
an anti-helmet agenda as Krygowski does. BTW, if I remember
correctly, he used to post with the x-no-archive flag set, I presume
because he was posting from work, so don't expect to find his
rants on the subject in the archives."

[fk:]

As usual, you're either remembering wrong or inventing things.


See
http://www.google.com/groups?selm=355ca440.54640388%40news.gmd.de&output =gplain
where Wolfgang Strobl said precisely that - that he used the
x-no-archive flag. I don't see why he'd lie about it given that he
was explaining to someone why a search of DejaNews (before Google
bought it) wouldn't work, and seemed to be trying to help that person
out.



My apologies. In the paragraph with the quotes above, I thought the "no
archive" thing was talking about me. The antecedent of "he" wasn't at
all clear. I knew _I_ had never disabled archiving.


What you should be embarassed by, Krygowski, is your bald-faced lies
and baseless statements like the above when you really don't have
the facts and are too inept to check for yourself. All you had to
do was to search messages in rec.bicycles.soc whose author is Strobl
and with the phrase x-no-archive. It took a couple of minutes and
is not particularly difficult.

But, your behavior is typical of you, and that is precisely why I
have no respect for you - it is not an error on your part given
how often you do this sort of thing.

Looks to me like the error was in sentence structure. But no matter.
As always, it's fun reading your posts, Bill. ;-)


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"AustinMN" writes:

There are no X characters in my address

Indeed there are none.

Dragan

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On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:05:39 GMT, Chris Phillipo
wrote:

It's not a crime. You get a ticket, you don't go to jail.

Are you sure of that? Over here, the pro-speeding lobby love tom
claim that speeding is not a crime because you don't go to jail, but
they are flat wrong. The fact that the state prosecutes the offence
makes it a criminal matter, and it is heard in the criminal courts.

Speeding is public endangerment with a deadly weapon. Please keep your
posts on topic if at all possible.

Very droll. So, are you sure of that? Because the proposed law over
here would have been criminal law, and existing traffic laws (example
above) are criminal law.

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88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:03:38 GMT, Chris Phillipo
wrote:

The helmet lobby? Do they fly black helicopters? I bet those
hypocritical *******s don't even wear helmets while doing it!

What point are you trying to make here?

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88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:02:32 GMT, Chris Phillipo
wrote:

Very droll. So, are you sure of that? Because the proposed law over
here would have been criminal law, and existing traffic laws (example
above) are criminal law.

I said no one is going to jail for not wearing a helmet and I stand by
that. Show me proof to the contrary.

No, what you actually said was that because no-one is going to jail,
it is not a crime. That does not follow. I am asking: are you sure
that the helmet law is outside the criminal code? Because the law
proposed in the UK and to the best of my knowledge the laws in Aus
and NZ, are criminal law. This is actually a completely straight
question.

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88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:03:56 GMT, Chris Phillipo
wrote:


The helmet lobby? Do they fly black helicopters? I bet those
hypocritical *******s don't even wear helmets while doing it!

What point are you trying to make here?

That the helmet lobby in Canada is a figment of someone's overactive
imagination.

The helmet lobby exists. It is indisputable. People are out there
lobbying for helmet laws, and that is why you have this bill in
progress. There are people all over the world lobbying for helmet
laws.

Guy
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88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

Chris Phillipo wrote:



I said no one is going to jail for not wearing a helmet and I stand by
that. Show me proof to the contrary.

FWIW, in Australia there _have_ been instances of people going to jail
for repeatedly violating mandatory helmet laws. Those people were
minority folks or poor folks.

I can't say the same would happen in Canada, of course. But it has
happened.


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