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If I had a revolution I'd swap cars for bikes
On Oct 6, 5:22 am, Tadej Brezina wrote:
What in particular has your personal medical story (no matter how interesting it may be, or how much empathy you deserve for it) to do with cycling as means of transport, its contribution to public health and the likes? You're calling everybody else here a technology laggard. But I do think, your case must some of a social laggard. They love technology not for the sake of technology, but for the fact that they don't have to do anything about it now, and if it ever comes it will cost you an arm and a leg. Bicycles are too cheap and simple to be a viable solution where everything is about money, I say. |
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If I had a revolution I'd swap cars for bikes
(More debates with Viva Viagra. Good thing this contagious disease is
mostly present in the American psyche. Something to keep in check like the bird flu) Originally Posted by Viva.Viagra "So I give up my rights to privacy upon entering a vehicle? I alow the goverment to montior and track my movements? Sounds pretty Orwellian to me. But then again, this would be in keeping with being a Citizen of the Socialist Revolution. Giving up liberty, freedom and self determination for the collective good." *** You already do when Big Brother issues you a ticket for speeding. And yet you get away with intimidating bicyclists and pedestrians as well as drivers of smaller cars. In Germany on the other hand you can run as fast as you want in many (safe) places, and yet they give you a ticket for, say, chatting on the phone. I don't see the problem as much as having a Big Brother, but having one that only cares for the big, fat, reckless, stupid drivers. Of course, the same ones that have money to burn and vote for oil drilling --and war. |
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if we had a revolution in this country
On Oct 6, 11:00 am, ComandanteBanana
wrote: OK, if we had a revolution in this country (fill in the blank), we could put in place a BICYCLE PROGRAM like this. Notice this is someone's contribution to the revolution... (I quote, link below) If we have a revolution in this country: 1) We should make cycling a pre-requisite for driver's ed. lessons. 2) We should give cyclists a tax break for cycling to work (this is already in progress, maybe the revolution has already started). 3) Motorists who approach bicycles should be treated the same way as any child molester. Children ride bicycles, therefore anyone who approaches a bicycle is a child-molester. 4) We should build a system of super-bikeways. Every Interstate highway and parkway should have a parallel bikeway. The super-bikeways should be wide enough for streamlined recumbent bikes to run at speed (~80MPH). The superbikeways should have elevated flyover bridges to avoid highway crossings. 5) Privatize the highways- Let bicycle clubs in on the bidding to buy highways and charge heavy tolls on cars. 6) Institute the Death Penalty for any motorist who kills a cyclist. (Or at least life in prison.) 7) Work proactively with Trucking Companies and Teamsters to get roads widened, and get inept motorists off the road. 8) Double or triple the number of Amtrak trains. 9) Install light-rail back in every city street which once had trolleys. 10) Install a device in every car to limit the speed to the actual posted speed-limit. (The technology is coming, we already have GPS. Every car should have an RFID chip and every speed-limit sign could have a scanner to read said RFID chip.) 11) Give 100 million dollars to Nascar to expand the Nascar track circuit to keep motorists happy. Motorists will still be allowed to drive faster than the speed limit, they will just have to do it at the nearest motor-sport park. 12) Make Cycling a sport at every high school. Funds should at least match what they are paying for school football. 13) Install signs reading "SHARE THE ROAD" on more roads. 14) Double the frequency of road sweeping. 15) Do more brush cutting to clear roadside vegetation. 16) Give bicycle companies "Equal Time" with car companies. Television and Radio stations will be required to air a bike commercial for every car advertisement they run. 17) install video surveillance at every bicycle rack, to eliminate the need for heavy U-locks. Plus install more bicycle racks. 18) Eliminate street parking for automobiles, make the kerb-side (curbside) lane a bike lane. -Finis- There may be more good ideas to institute. Thank you, Mr. Quixote1954, for starting this thread. http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=473460 I think you get at least as much bang outta just lowering the speed limit on all the non-hiway roads to 30mph. |
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if we had a revolution in this country
On Oct 7, 1:57*pm, DennisTheBald wrote:
On Oct 6, 11:00 am, ComandanteBanana wrote: OK, if we had a revolution in this country (fill in the blank), we could put in place a BICYCLE PROGRAM like this. Notice this is someone's contribution to the revolution... (I quote, link below) If we have a revolution in this country: 1) We should make cycling a pre-requisite for driver's ed. lessons. 2) We should give cyclists a tax break for cycling to work (this is already in progress, maybe the revolution has already started). 3) Motorists who approach bicycles should be treated the same way as any child molester. Children ride bicycles, therefore anyone who approaches a bicycle is a child-molester. 4) We should build a system of super-bikeways. Every Interstate highway and parkway should have a parallel bikeway. The super-bikeways should be wide enough for streamlined recumbent bikes to run at speed (~80MPH). The superbikeways should have elevated flyover bridges to avoid highway crossings. 5) Privatize the highways- Let bicycle clubs in on the bidding to buy highways and charge heavy tolls on cars. 6) Institute the Death Penalty for any motorist who kills a cyclist. (Or at least life in prison.) 7) Work proactively with Trucking Companies and Teamsters to get roads widened, and get inept motorists off the road. 8) Double or triple the number of Amtrak trains. 9) Install light-rail back in every city street which once had trolleys. 10) Install a device in every car to limit the speed to the actual posted speed-limit. (The technology is coming, we already have GPS. Every car should have an RFID chip and every speed-limit sign could have a scanner to read said RFID chip.) 11) Give 100 million dollars to Nascar to expand the Nascar track circuit to keep motorists happy. Motorists will still be allowed to drive faster than the speed limit, they will just have to do it at the nearest motor-sport park. 12) Make Cycling a sport at every high school. Funds should at least match what they are paying for school football. 13) Install signs reading "SHARE THE ROAD" on more roads. 14) Double the frequency of road sweeping. 15) Do more brush cutting to clear roadside vegetation. 16) Give bicycle companies "Equal Time" with car companies. Television and Radio stations will be required to air a bike commercial for every car advertisement they run. 17) install video surveillance at every bicycle rack, to eliminate the need for heavy U-locks. Plus install more bicycle racks. 18) Eliminate street parking for automobiles, make the kerb-side (curbside) lane a bike lane. -Finis- There may be more good ideas to institute. Thank you, Mr. Quixote1954, for starting this thread. http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=473460 I think you get at least as much bang outta just lowering the speed limit on all the non-hiway roads to 30mph.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Don't quite understand. I would lower the speed on the right lane to 20 MPH to accomodate bicycle traffic. Then allow higher speeds on passing lanes regulated both by speed cameras. |
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If I had a revolution I'd swap cars for bikes
On Oct 8, 6:15 am, Tadej Brezina wrote:
ComandanteBanana schrieb: On Oct 7, 12:22 am, "Jack May" wrote: "Tadej Brezina" wrote in message . at... Jack May wrote: "Tom Sherman" wrote in message . .. Jack May wrote: "ComandanteBanana" wrote in message ... If I had a revolution --I do-- in one those Banana Republics out there (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd probably take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap cars for bikes. Good bikes for that matter. In other words you like using food for bike fuel so you can kill off as many third world people as possible. And Mr. May has admitted to participating in unnecessary physical activity for "exercise". We should be putting the owners of gyms, the makers of "fitness equipment" and sports equipment and all who partake in needless physical activity on trial for mass murder, no? Staying health takes a lot less energy than fixing medical problems How comes you oppose cycling as means of transport and as means of public health improval so much, as it has been proven numerous times to increase overall health in societies? is not remotely food to fuel conversion. That is one reason Kaiser is the lowest cost medical and tends to have the best results. But you are in the very stupid approach that the solution to all resource management is conservation instead of technology development to expand the options for being "green". As always your ignorance of almost everything in society is extremely apparent. We will not mention the amount of potential food-stocks (corn [1] and soy beans) being used to make motor fuel. The work on biofuels is developing approaches that do not use food sources for fuel. You are way out of touch with what is going on. Maybe, in the future, somewhen. But right now, a lot - don't have the percentage at hand - of the biofuel resources is standing in the way of food resources. I exercise to keep myself very health. Shouldn't there be an adjective? My "gym" is an Olympic size trampoline in my back yard I have had for years. I am the only person at Kaiser at least in Redwood city that has ever taken their entire bank of test where they found no detectible medical problems. Kaiser keeps a large computer database of all their medical activities. They know what is happening and what has happened there. The doctors have often made comments to others about my unique health characteristics. My family history is that of a very long life. I have a rare disease which is the result of a random mutation of antibodies which would be impossible to prevent with exercise. I just finished 10 days at Kaiser where they pumped blood cell out of my body (a small amount at a time) through a machine that centrifuged it to separate the antibodies by molecular weight and molecularly grab the offending antibodies with albumen (blood product) and remove them from my body where they are discarded. Could give me maybe as much as few years with out the problem. The process can be repeated if the anti-bodies pop up again. The process is a low energy treatment. By rare I mean in the SF Bay area there are two people at Stanford Medical and me at Kaiser that have the disease. All three of us are being treated with the machine which is also used to maintain suppression of the offending anti-bodies for life. OK you can now waste your time again to come up with more retarded comments that technology laggards so often do because of their deep inferiority complex. What in particular has your personal medical story (no matter how interesting it may be, or how much empathy you deserve for it) to do with cycling as means of transport, its contribution to public health and the likes? The writer was talking about the bike for extended transportation, not exercise. A lot more food to energy wasted than just for exercise. Now technology can mitigate those problems, but the human powered vehicle people tend to hate technology advances and want to push for maximum wastefulness of food to energy. You're calling everybody else here a technology laggard. But I do think, your case must some of a social laggard. I am at the opposite end of the curve with the innovators and early adopters. We are the most advanced people pushing the design of society to improve, not pull it back into a long dead past. We are the people that design the future that people tend to want as what is most desirable for their lives. Its is more complex than that, but you must realize that a lot of things go on in society that are not related to technology laggard concepts of the world. You really should try to understand how the culture works at different parts of the curve rather than just making uneducated reformatting of my statements In general the technology laggard segment of society has been show in research to be the most socially probamatic segment. The laggards have been found to often fail in many of the key social characteristics such as connections with people, less than average intelligence, lower income, and far fewer accomplishments in life. I think you are about to prove that walking is obsolete in America... Source: Talking Point, BBC News Having lived in the US last year, I can say most of the comments here belittling this lawsuit stem from ignorance of life in the US. People here in the UK are MUCH more aware of what is healthy. In the US "Big Food" dominates the airwaves and the vast majority of people are genuinely misinformed. Americans live off processed food regularly now. Having said that, I think the lawsuit is partially misguided because bad food is no more than half the problem of obesity that is now coming to the fore in the US. The other half is the lifestyle the country imposes on people. In the US you are literally FORCED to drive everywhere - even a 5 minute hop to a local supermarket. People live in a system where they do everything sitting down. So it is not just that massive amounts of calories (with little nutrition) are readily and cheaply on offer, but that burning any of it off in the normal course of a day is near impossible. James, UK Luckily, America offers a substitute to it... (I think is on sale now) I do think that all intelligent people around the world wonder about this rather strange Mumbo Jumbo behaviour. Although the health destroying convenience illusion is rapidly progressing around the world, including it's obesity and health "side effects". But hey, didn't last year Conklin and May try to explain us, that obesity increases life length and health? It's funnny that the there's a certain behavior (let's call it the "American way of life") in which being a perfect couch potato is considered bliss... So everything is AUTOMATIC, the car you drive (saves you the "work" to shift gears), the stairs, the motorboat (who cares about those sails or paddles) and finally the electric scooter to save you from walking in old age. Of course, EVERYTHING AUTOMATIC HAS A PRICE, whether thats' a price tag, or an OBESITY DISEASE. Then again HEALTHCARE HAS PRICE TAG TOO, so we are back to square one. http://www.sethbarnes.com/imagefolde..._potato_lg.jpg |
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ComandanteBanana schrieb:
[...] http://www.sethbarnes.com/imagefolde..._potato_lg.jpg Hah, here we see how evolution "really" works. Bring in the "highly-technicised society" on the "upper end of the curve": It develops a belly even for the skeleton-stage. Tadej -- “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.” Upton Sinclair in The Jungle |
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If I had a revolution I'd swap cars for bikes
On Oct 9, 11:28*am, Tadej Brezina wrote:
ComandanteBanana schrieb: [...] http://www.sethbarnes.com/imagefolde..._potato_lg.jpg Hah, here we see how evolution "really" works. Bring in the "highly-technicised society" on the "upper end of the curve": It develops a belly even for the skeleton-stage. I've lost some 20lbs ever since they opened some trails around here. I was kind of a couch potato before but not by choice. The roads are for the suicidal type and I was waiting for a miracle or something. But now they want to make another Amsterdam out of it... Originally Posted by harleyfrog "Now that I think about it, Miami becoming the next Amsterdam is possible. I mean, they already have the drugs and prostitution, just add some bike lanes, a few canals and some windmills and you'll be all set." Sorry, it's only coming together with the revolution... 'Actually, I propose a "Dutch Package," where issues normal to the Dutch --gay rights, bike facilities, prostitution and marihuana-- are discussed in less open societies.' Of course, I provide the windmills. http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=474893 |
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If I had a revolution I'd swap cars for bikes
"ComandanteBanana" wrote in message ... On Oct 5, 1:23 pm, "Jack May" wrote: "ComandanteBanana" wrote in message ... If I had a revolution --I do-- in one those Banana Republics out there (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd probably take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap cars for bikes. Good bikes for that matter. In other words you like using food for bike fuel so you can kill off as many third world people as possible. You don't seem to know much about energy efficiency, do you? When you are powered by bananas, you only carry yourself plus the weight of the bicycle, say, 1/20th the weight of you carrying an SUV. You are a total moron. Food production is one of the most oil intensive uses in the economy. It takes on the order of ten times as much oil energy for the food you eat to power your bike as is in the food itself. It is only morons like you that can understand that manual energy source are high intense users of oil. A bike will often expend more oil per mile than a small car. There is a lot research in this area trying to figure out how much oil energy everything takes to run. Since you understand NOTHING, you have been assuming just because you don't know where the energy comes from, it must be green and use no oil. That are a total joke with your total ignorance of what you write about. |
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If I had a revolution I'd swap cars for bikes
Jack May wrote:
"ComandanteBanana" wrote in message ... On Oct 5, 1:23 pm, "Jack May" wrote: "ComandanteBanana" wrote in message ... If I had a revolution --I do-- in one those Banana Republics out there (hey, plenty of them, don't just think about America), I'd probably take cue from Chavez --yes, he can be smart too-- and swap cars for bikes. Good bikes for that matter. In other words you like using food for bike fuel so you can kill off as many third world people as possible. You don't seem to know much about energy efficiency, do you? When you are powered by bananas, you only carry yourself plus the weight of the bicycle, say, 1/20th the weight of you carrying an SUV. You are a total moron. Food production is one of the most oil intensive uses in the economy. It takes on the order of ten times as much oil energy for the food you eat to power your bike as is in the food itself. It is only morons like you that can understand that manual energy source are high intense users of oil. A bike will often expend more oil per mile than a small car. There is a lot research in this area trying to figure out how much oil energy everything takes to run. Since you understand NOTHING, you have been assuming just because you don't know where the energy comes from, it must be green and use no oil. That are a total joke with your total ignorance of what you write about. That argument would only hold as 'true' if a person consumed more food to expend the energy used in transporting themselves. IE: when I was in the military (1) I ate at a rate of 6000+ calories per day to keep up with the energy requirements. As a normal 'fit' person who also cycles and has a fitness regime of running and upper body work most weekdays I eat what my wife puts in front of me, about 2000 calories per day. Your average non exercising person consumes far more 'food oil' per day as they don't measure their intake against calorific value so that whilst at extremes (1) you might hold some truth over a short distance in general your argument is unsupportable for the majority of the cycling/fitness population. This is of course purely a 'common sense' response. To make a true analysis one would need to work out the calorific equivalent of a gallon of petrol and then ascertain how much of that was used over a given distance. As you propose the idea and have suggested research is available I would ask you devise a method to 'prove' the assertion using a 'small car' by which I take it you mean a vehicle of 1000 cc. FYI: I read that 1 litre of petrol is the equivalent of 9.7 kWh 1 kWh = 3600 kJ of energy 1 Kcal = 4.2 kJ So unless I have made a mistake, 1 Litre of petrol has around 8314 kCal Source: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Calorific_...itre_of_petrol Calories Expended During Certain Activities: Biking 12-13.9 mph (moderate effort) Male 334 Female 258 Source: http://www2.gsu.edu/~wwwfit/physical....html#Calories The average cycle journey of 6 miles is roughly 30 minutes. Source: Memory Sniper8052 |
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