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Madness: Driver almost hits oncoming vehicle while overtaking cyclist
On Wednesday, 13 May 2020 19:43:08 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 17:57 13 May 2020, Simon Mason said: A copy of the Highway Code has been sent to the motorist QUOTE: This photograph shows the moment a car almost crashed into an oncoming vehicle while overtaking a cyclist. Police issued the dramatic picture today (May 12) to warn other motorists against overtaking cyclists on double white lines, especially when they have no view of traffic ahead. The driver was also criticised for not leaving the required 1.5 metres between a bike and car. A spokesperson for Avon and Somerset Police road safety team posted on Twitter : "Don't be this guy! Luckily everyone OK. "No view: No overtake. "Give cyclists room: At least 1.5m "Don't overtake on double whites unless bike 10mph or less! "Motorist will be receiving a reminder of the Highway Code in the post." https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/l...r-almost-hits- oncoming-4127743 One respondent says: "When I pass cyclists i make sure i pass as close as i can to the cyclist. Even in my lorry. Horrible cretins." A clear admission of multiple accounts of attempted murder. I assume the respondent is serving (self funded) life in prison. |
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Madness: Driver almost hits oncoming vehicle while overtaking cyclist
JNugent wrote:
On 13/05/2020 21:24, Kelly wrote: Pamela wrote: On 20:42 13 May 2020, Kelly said: Pamela wrote: On 17:57 13 May 2020, Simon Mason said: A copy of the Highway Code has been sent to the motorist QUOTE: This photograph shows the moment a car almost crashed into an oncoming vehicle while overtaking a cyclist. Police issued the dramatic picture today (May 12) to warn other motorists against overtaking cyclists on double white lines, especially when they have no view of traffic ahead. The driver was also criticised for not leaving the required 1.5 metres between a bike and car. A spokesperson for Avon and Somerset Police road safety team posted on Twitter : "Don't be this guy! Luckily everyone OK. "No view: No overtake. "Give cyclists room: At least 1.5m "Don't overtake on double whites unless bike 10mph or less! "Motorist will be receiving a reminder of the Highway Code in the post." https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/l...adness-driver- almost-hits-oncoming-4127743 One respondent says: "When I pass cyclists i make sure i pass as close as i can to the cyclist. Even in my lorry. Horrible cretins." It wouldn't surprise me to learn that respondent isn't the same guy who refused to make room for that 6 year old to pass, then after he'd brought her down he went and kicked her bike. Poor kid, what with parents like she's got and all... What's the realistic chance of that? Infinitesimal, of course. Who's to say the two don't have a similar mentality, though? ps. And this is totally OT, but wasn't it so sad about Nigel (Monty Dom's dog) dying over the weekend... he'd have been 12 years old next week. It seems to be nothing but bad news at the moment. I feel sorry for the lovely dog being walked by the couple when the little girl stoved into them. Really? If only the grown ups involved had acted their age instead of acting like 6 year olds themselves, they would never have developed this trivial non incident into a ridiculous melodrama. It became an "incident" when the parents of the girl (for reasons of their own) failed to control her and allowed - even encouraged - her to break the rules on social distancing. I can't help feeling this is a minor issue, in more ways than one. Even so, I agree with you that current emergency regulations have been broken. I think the police should at least remind the father of his responsibility towards ensuring his daughter maintains social distancing rules. Ironically, the police can see where the father failed in that regard from the father's own video, something that he and his wife brought to the attention of the police themselves. |
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Madness: Driver almost hits oncoming vehicle while overtaking cyclist
JNugent wrote:
On 13/05/2020 17:57, Simon Mason wrote: A copy of the Highway Code has been sent to the motorist QUOTE: This photograph shows the moment a car almost crashed into an oncoming vehicle while overtaking a cyclist. Police issued the dramatic picture today (May 12) to warn other motorists against overtaking cyclists on double white lines, especially when they have no view of traffic ahead. The driver was also criticised for not leaving the required 1.5 metres between a bike and car. A spokesperson for Avon and Somerset Police road safety team posted on Twitter : "Don't be this guy! Luckily everyone OK. "No view: No overtake. "Give cyclists room: At least 1.5m "Don't overtake on double whites unless bike 10mph or less! "Motorist will be receiving a reminder of the Highway Code in the post." https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/l...coming-4127743 Is there any evidence (let alone proof) that the cyclist was doing as much as 10mph? I would hope the answer is no, and that is why "a copy of the Highway Code has been sent to the motorist" rather than a Notice of Intended Prosecution. Of course, a driver may cross a double white line "in order to pass a pedal cycle moving at a speed not exceeding 10 mph" but only "if it is safe to do so and if necessary to do so". Other than (maybe) his own unsupported and self-asserted opinion, I mean. There is no indication in that link that a cyclist has given an opinion such as that or, indeed, any other. |
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Madness: Driver almost hits oncoming vehicle while overtaking cyclist
On 14/05/2020 09:19, Kelly wrote:
I can't help feeling this is a minor issue, in more ways than one. Even so, I agree with you that current emergency regulations have been broken. I think the police should at least remind the father of his responsibility towards ensuring his daughter maintains social distancing rules. Ironically, the police can see where the father failed in that regard from the father's own video, something that he and his wife brought to the attention of the police themselves. Looking at the video, we see the child slowing down and holding station well behind the couple. The gap between her head and the feet of the couple showed a period of 6 or 7 seconds where the distance didn't reduce - with the gap clearly more than 2m. I suspect that she had noticed on other occasions that when her father called out, people had reacted and she could proceed. She just didn't know what to do if a gap didn't open. With the benefit of 20:20 hindsight vision, perhaps it would have been better had the father waited until the path was widened out a bit. But it's necessary to wonder how the moaners do better in matters of the moment. |
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Madness: Driver almost hits oncoming vehicle while overtaking cyclist
TMS320 wrote:
On 14/05/2020 09:19, Kelly wrote: I can't help feeling this is a minor issue, in more ways than one. Even so, I agree with you that current emergency regulations have been broken. I think the police should at least remind the father of his responsibility towards ensuring his daughter maintains social distancing rules. Ironically, the police can see where the father failed in that regard from the father's own video, something that he and his wife brought to the attention of the police themselves. Looking at the video, we see the child slowing down and holding station well behind the couple. The gap between her head and the feet of the couple showed a period of 6 or 7 seconds where the distance didn't reduce - with the gap clearly more than 2m. I suspect that she had noticed on other occasions that when her father called out, people had reacted and she could proceed. She just didn't know what to do if a gap didn't open. Yes, that sounds more than feasible. I wouldn't blame that young girl for anything that happened there. With the benefit of 20:20 hindsight vision, perhaps it would have been better had the father waited until the path was widened out a bit. But it's necessary to wonder how the moaners do better in matters of the moment. That is it, really, in a nutshell. And hopefully, with the help of that 20:20 hindsight vision, all those involved in the 'incident' will be that little bit wiser in future. |
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Madness: Driver almost hits oncoming vehicle while overtakingcyclist
On 14/05/2020 06:13, Mike Collins wrote:
On Wednesday, 13 May 2020 19:43:08 UTC+1, Pamela wrote: On 17:57 13 May 2020, Simon Mason said: A copy of the Highway Code has been sent to the motorist QUOTE: This photograph shows the moment a car almost crashed into an oncoming vehicle while overtaking a cyclist. Police issued the dramatic picture today (May 12) to warn other motorists against overtaking cyclists on double white lines, especially when they have no view of traffic ahead. The driver was also criticised for not leaving the required 1.5 metres between a bike and car. A spokesperson for Avon and Somerset Police road safety team posted on Twitter : "Don't be this guy! Luckily everyone OK. "No view: No overtake. "Give cyclists room: At least 1.5m "Don't overtake on double whites unless bike 10mph or less! "Motorist will be receiving a reminder of the Highway Code in the post." https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/l...r-almost-hits- oncoming-4127743 One respondent says: "When I pass cyclists i make sure i pass as close as i can to the cyclist. Even in my lorry. Horrible cretins." A clear admission of multiple accounts of attempted murder. I assume the respondent is serving (self funded) life in prison. Hardly. See if you can tell where you went wrong. |
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Madness: Driver almost hits oncoming vehicle while overtaking cyclist
On 14/05/2020 11:11, Kelly wrote:
TMS320 wrote: On 14/05/2020 09:19, Kelly wrote: I can't help feeling this is a minor issue, in more ways than one. Even so, I agree with you that current emergency regulations have been broken. I think the police should at least remind the father of his responsibility towards ensuring his daughter maintains social distancing rules. Ironically, the police can see where the father failed in that regard from the father's own video, something that he and his wife brought to the attention of the police themselves. Looking at the video, we see the child slowing down and holding station well behind the couple. The gap between her head and the feet of the couple showed a period of 6 or 7 seconds where the distance didn't reduce - with the gap clearly more than 2m. I suspect that she had noticed on other occasions that when her father called out, people had reacted and she could proceed. She just didn't know what to do if a gap didn't open. Yes, that sounds more than feasible. I wouldn't blame that young girl for anything that happened there. She isn't to blame. Her parent or parents were. With the benefit of 20:20 hindsight vision, perhaps it would have been better had the father waited until the path was widened out a bit. But it's necessary to wonder how the moaners do better in matters of the moment. That is it, really, in a nutshell. And hopefully, with the help of that 20:20 hindsight vision, all those involved in the 'incident' will be that little bit wiser in future. How can wisdom (or even increased amounts of it) help protect you against a cyclist running into you from behind on a footpath? |
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Madness: Driver almost hits oncoming vehicle while overtakingcyclist
On 14/05/2020 09:23, Kelly wrote:
JNugent wrote: On 13/05/2020 17:57, Simon Mason wrote: A copy of the Highway Code has been sent to the motorist QUOTE: This photograph shows the moment a car almost crashed into an oncoming vehicle while overtaking a cyclist. Police issued the dramatic picture today (May 12) to warn other motorists against overtaking cyclists on double white lines, especially when they have no view of traffic ahead. The driver was also criticised for not leaving the required 1.5 metres between a bike and car. A spokesperson for Avon and Somerset Police road safety team posted on Twitter : "Don't be this guy! Luckily everyone OK. "No view: No overtake. "Give cyclists room: At least 1.5m "Don't overtake on double whites unless bike 10mph or less! "Motorist will be receiving a reminder of the Highway Code in the post." https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/l...coming-4127743 Is there any evidence (let alone proof) that the cyclist was doing as much as 10mph? I would hope the answer is no, and that is why "a copy of the Highway Code has been sent to the motorist" rather than a Notice of Intended Prosecution. Of course, a driver may cross a double white line "in order to pass a pedal cycle moving at a speed not exceeding 10 mph" but only "if it is safe to do so and if necessary to do so". Not only bicycles, but any vehicle moving as slowly as that. It's a while since the issue was discussed here, but 10mph is a difficult speed to measure accurately on ordinary instrumentation. The cyclist is unlikely to have any immediately accessible way of measuring speed at all and motor vehicle speedometers are only approximate at that sort of speed (many have no gradated visual calibration below 20). The speed may have to be estimated. Other than (maybe) his own unsupported and self-asserted opinion, I mean. There is no indication in that link that a cyclist has given an opinion such as that or, indeed, any other. Indeed. I was just covering that potential base in case it was given as an answer. |
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Madness: Driver almost hits oncoming vehicle while overtaking cyclist
JNugent wrote:
On 14/05/2020 11:11, Kelly wrote: TMS320 wrote: On 14/05/2020 09:19, Kelly wrote: I can't help feeling this is a minor issue, in more ways than one. Even so, I agree with you that current emergency regulations have been broken. I think the police should at least remind the father of his responsibility towards ensuring his daughter maintains social distancing rules. Ironically, the police can see where the father failed in that regard from the father's own video, something that he and his wife brought to the attention of the police themselves. Looking at the video, we see the child slowing down and holding station well behind the couple. The gap between her head and the feet of the couple showed a period of 6 or 7 seconds where the distance didn't reduce - with the gap clearly more than 2m. I suspect that she had noticed on other occasions that when her father called out, people had reacted and she could proceed. She just didn't know what to do if a gap didn't open. Yes, that sounds more than feasible. I wouldn't blame that young girl for anything that happened there. She isn't to blame. Her parent or parents were. Has anyone here suggested otherwise? With the benefit of 20:20 hindsight vision, perhaps it would have been better had the father waited until the path was widened out a bit. But it's necessary to wonder how the moaners do better in matters of the moment. That is it, really, in a nutshell. And hopefully, with the help of that 20:20 hindsight vision, all those involved in the 'incident' will be that little bit wiser in future. How can wisdom (or even increased amounts of it) help protect you against a cyclist running into you from behind on a footpath? First of all, a cyclist with enough wisdom would not run into you from behind. Also, if you as a pedestrian were 'run into from behind' by a toddler of her little bike travelling at barely walking 'speed', with enough wisdom you would react with a little bit of understanding instead of unnecessarily going off the deep end in a highly aggressive manner. |
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Madness: Driver almost hits oncoming vehicle while overtaking cyclist
JNugent wrote:
On 14/05/2020 09:23, Kelly wrote: JNugent wrote: On 13/05/2020 17:57, Simon Mason wrote: A copy of the Highway Code has been sent to the motorist QUOTE: This photograph shows the moment a car almost crashed into an oncoming vehicle while overtaking a cyclist. Police issued the dramatic picture today (May 12) to warn other motorists against overtaking cyclists on double white lines, especially when they have no view of traffic ahead. The driver was also criticised for not leaving the required 1.5 metres between a bike and car. A spokesperson for Avon and Somerset Police road safety team posted on Twitter : "Don't be this guy! Luckily everyone OK. "No view: No overtake. "Give cyclists room: At least 1.5m "Don't overtake on double whites unless bike 10mph or less! "Motorist will be receiving a reminder of the Highway Code in the post." https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/l...coming-4127743 Is there any evidence (let alone proof) that the cyclist was doing as much as 10mph? I would hope the answer is no, and that is why "a copy of the Highway Code has been sent to the motorist" rather than a Notice of Intended Prosecution. Of course, a driver may cross a double white line "in order to pass a pedal cycle moving at a speed not exceeding 10 mph" but only "if it is safe to do so and if necessary to do so". Not only bicycles, but any vehicle moving as slowly as that. It's a while since the issue was discussed here, but 10mph is a difficult speed to measure accurately on ordinary instrumentation. The cyclist is unlikely to have any immediately accessible way of measuring speed at all and motor vehicle speedometers are only approximate at that sort of speed (many have no gradated visual calibration below 20). The speed may have to be estimated. Okay, but that's a problem for the driver. Why should the cyclist have to determine what speed they are travelling at? They are not the ones wondering whether it is safe or not to cross a double white line. Other than (maybe) his own unsupported and self-asserted opinion, I mean. There is no indication in that link that a cyclist has given an opinion such as that or, indeed, any other. Indeed. I was just covering that potential base in case it was given as an answer. |
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