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On 20:47 17 May 2020, Mike Collins said:
On Sunday, 17 May 2020 19:19:26 UTC+1, Pamela wrote: On 17:21 17 May 2020, Simon Mason said: On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 2:18:34 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote: On 13:18 17 May 2020, Simon Mason said: On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 12:46:27 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=319hzKKiSlE Obviously fake as it shows a motorist going through a red light and we are told this never happens. I had dozen of RLJ drivers on film when I used to cycle to work. In my experience it's is rare to see a cyclist observe a red light. You must a have very limited "experience" then. At a red light too many cyclists act as if it's their absolute right to go through on red if there's no traffic. It's quite disgraceful. The part of your post where you provided evidence to support this claim seems to be missing. Michael, the part of your post where you show evidence of a search to read more about this is missing. Laziness is becoming a habit for you. ------ A TFL survey of 7500 cyclists found 1 in 6 admitted to going through a red light. Who know how many didn't admit it. https://www.google.com/search?q=Stat...ugh+Red+Lights I repeat, at a red light too many cyclists act as if it's their absolute right to go through on red if there's no traffic. It's disgraceful. |
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On Monday, 18 May 2020 13:14:54 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 20:47 17 May 2020, Mike Collins said: On Sunday, 17 May 2020 19:19:26 UTC+1, Pamela wrote: On 17:21 17 May 2020, Simon Mason said: On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 2:18:34 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote: On 13:18 17 May 2020, Simon Mason said: On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 12:46:27 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=319hzKKiSlE Obviously fake as it shows a motorist going through a red light and we are told this never happens. I had dozen of RLJ drivers on film when I used to cycle to work. In my experience it's is rare to see a cyclist observe a red light. You must a have very limited "experience" then. At a red light too many cyclists act as if it's their absolute right to go through on red if there's no traffic. It's quite disgraceful. The part of your post where you provided evidence to support this claim seems to be missing. Michael, the part of your post where you show evidence of a search to read more about this is missing. Laziness is becoming a habit for you. ------ The burden of proof is on you, A TFL survey of 7500 cyclists found 1 in 6 admitted to going through a red light. Who know how many didn't admit it. https://www.google.com/search?q=Stat...ugh+Red+Lights I repeat, at a red light too many cyclists act as if it's their absolute right to go through on red if there's no traffic. It's disgraceful. So you have no evidence to support your claim. |
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On 00:05 19 May 2020, Mike Collins said:
On Monday, 18 May 2020 13:14:54 UTC+1, Pamela wrote: On 20:47 17 May 2020, Mike Collins said: On Sunday, 17 May 2020 19:19:26 UTC+1, Pamela wrote: On 17:21 17 May 2020, Simon Mason said: On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 2:18:34 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote: On 13:18 17 May 2020, Simon Mason said: On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 12:46:27 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=319hzKKiSlE Obviously fake as it shows a motorist going through a red light and we are told this never happens. I had dozen of RLJ drivers on film when I used to cycle to work. In my experience it's is rare to see a cyclist observe a red light. You must a have very limited "experience" then. At a red light too many cyclists act as if it's their absolute right to go through on red if there's no traffic. It's quite disgraceful. The part of your post where you provided evidence to support this claim seems to be missing. Michael, the part of your post where you show evidence of a search to read more about this is missing. Laziness is becoming a habit for you. ------ The burden of proof is on you, A TFL survey of 7500 cyclists found 1 in 6 admitted to going through a red light. Who know how many didn't admit it. https://www.google.com/search?q=Stat...ugh+Red+Lights I repeat, at a red light too many cyclists act as if it's their absolute right to go through on red if there's no traffic. It's disgraceful. So you have no evidence to support your claim. You have been behaving more and more like a troll. Pretending to be clue- proof is a common technique amongst such Usenet deviants. I suggest you rethink your negative behaviour: http://fravia.2113.ch/way_kook.htm |
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On 19:32 17 May 2020, Simon Mason said:
On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 7:19:26 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote: On 17:21 17 May 2020, Simon Mason said: On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 2:18:34 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote: On 13:18 17 May 2020, Simon Mason said: On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 12:46:27 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=319hzKKiSlE Obviously fake as it shows a motorist going through a red light and we are told this never happens. I had dozen of RLJ drivers on film when I used to cycle to work. In my experience it's is rare to see a cyclist observe a red light. You must a have very limited "experience" then. At a red light too many cyclists act as if it's their absolute right to go through on red if there's no traffic. It's quite disgraceful. As disgraceful as this lot of offences in their millions? Speeding, parking the wrong way at night, on yellow lines, on zig zags, outside schools, pavement parking, obstructing traffic by inconsiderate parking, driving while drunk, on mobile phones, with no car tax, no licence, no insurance, no MOT, illegal plates, overtaking on double lines, due care, bald tyres, faulty brakes, one eyed monsters, no rear lights, no brake lights, no indicators, fog light abuse, faulty steering, windscreen obscuration, darkly tinted windows, child seat abuse, no seatbelts, insecure load, one way street abuse, amber/red light jumping, cycle box abuse, bus lane abuse, box junction abuse, death by dangerous driving, excess smoke and noise from exhaust, duff suspension, leaking oil, cash for crash fiddles, underage child in front, lights causing glare, over weight limit, ignoring no entry signs, parking without permit, not having control of your vehicle, improper use of horn, using horn at night, no in date photo licence, no licence application after long ban, without prescribed eyewear, failing to stop for police/lollipop/zebra etc - ran out of space You seem to have a childish sense of right and wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right. What someone else does doesn't absolve your misdeed. If a cyclist jumps a red light then it's wrong. It doesn't make any difference how many murders, fatal crashes or armed robberies occur that day. |
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On 19/05/2020 12:37, Pamela wrote:
On 19:32 17 May 2020, Simon Mason said: On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 7:19:26 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote: At a red light too many cyclists act as if it's their absolute right to go through on red if there's no traffic. It's quite disgraceful. As disgraceful as this lot of offences in their millions? Speeding, parking - etc You seem to have a childish sense of right and wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right. What someone else does doesn't absolve your misdeed. Has anybody ever claimed otherwise? But it does mean that if drivers think that their own law breaking and that of other drivers is not a problem, they have no right to point a finger. |
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On 19/05/2020 13:29, TMS320 wrote:
On 19/05/2020 12:37, Pamela wrote: On 19:32Â* 17 May 2020, Simon Mason said: On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 7:19:26 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote: At a red light too many cyclists act as if it's their absolute right to go through on red if there's no traffic.Â* It's quite disgraceful. As disgraceful as this lot of offences in their millions? Speeding, parking - etc You seem to have a childish sense of right and wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right.Â* What someone else does doesn't absolve your misdeed. Has anybody ever claimed otherwise? But it does mean that if drivers think that their own law breaking and that of other drivers is not a problem, they have no right to point a finger. That is 100% nonsense and you know it. All citizens have the right to point out that many (most?) cyclists today routinely break traffic law (though I'd say that it was not always so). It makes no difference what the individual citizen may have done or not done in the past, none of it devalues an accurate observation. |
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On Tuesday, 19 May 2020 09:43:41 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
On 00:05 19 May 2020, Mike Collins said: On Monday, 18 May 2020 13:14:54 UTC+1, Pamela wrote: On 20:47 17 May 2020, Mike Collins said: On Sunday, 17 May 2020 19:19:26 UTC+1, Pamela wrote: On 17:21 17 May 2020, Simon Mason said: On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 2:18:34 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote: On 13:18 17 May 2020, Simon Mason said: On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 12:46:27 PM UTC+1, Mike Collins wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=319hzKKiSlE Obviously fake as it shows a motorist going through a red light and we are told this never happens. I had dozen of RLJ drivers on film when I used to cycle to work. In my experience it's is rare to see a cyclist observe a red light. You must a have very limited "experience" then. At a red light too many cyclists act as if it's their absolute right to go through on red if there's no traffic. It's quite disgraceful. The part of your post where you provided evidence to support this claim seems to be missing. Michael, the part of your post where you show evidence of a search to read more about this is missing. Laziness is becoming a habit for you. ------ The burden of proof is on you, A TFL survey of 7500 cyclists found 1 in 6 admitted to going through a red light. Who know how many didn't admit it. https://www.google.com/search?q=Stat...ugh+Red+Lights I repeat, at a red light too many cyclists act as if it's their absolute right to go through on red if there's no traffic. It's disgraceful. So you have no evidence to support your claim. You have been behaving more and more like a troll. Pretending to be clue- proof is a common technique amongst such Usenet deviants. I suggest you rethink your negative behaviour: http://fravia.2113.ch/way_kook.htm So still no evidence to support your claim. |
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JNugent wrote:
All citizens have the right to point out that many (most?) cyclists today routinely break traffic law... Thanks for putting that question mark against most. The whole statement sounds quite damning, and the most (with a question mark) is on reflection (speaking as a cyclist) a dispassionate addition. Well, let's face it, the statement is quite damning. Let us now just consider our companion road users, car drivers. Can we say: 'All citizens have the right to point out that many (most?) car drivers today routinely break traffic law.' Is that statement dispassionately true in the same way as the one applying to cyclists? Well, (speaking as a driver who considers their chance of being caught for speeding to be highly unlikely - touch wood) I would say it is. Even careful and aware car drivers know how easy it is to exceed the speed limit, albeit if only fleetingly. So speaking as a pedestrian then, I could dispassionately say: 'All citizens have the right to point out that many (most?) car drivers and cyclist today routinely break traffic law'. Can you, and the rest of the group, accept that? |
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On 19/05/2020 19:18, Kelly wrote:
JNugent wrote: All citizens have the right to point out that many (most?) cyclists today routinely break traffic law... Thanks for putting that question mark against most. The whole statement sounds quite damning, and the most (with a question mark) is on reflection (speaking as a cyclist) a dispassionate addition. Well, let's face it, the statement is quite damning. Let us now just consider our companion road users, car drivers. Can we say: 'All citizens have the right to point out that many (most?) car drivers today routinely break traffic law.' Of course we can. Whether it is as true as the one about cyclists is another question. Is that statement dispassionately true in the same way as the one applying to cyclists? No, it isn't. All drivers occasionally breach road traffic rules. Sometimes deliberately, often inadvertently. Nevertheless, I would argue that very few drivers leave home in the morning with the attitude that they are going to break speed limits, pass red traffic lights, proceed the wrong way in a one-way system, drive during the hours of darkness without lights switched on, etc, etc. A very few might, but that proportion will be vanishingly small. I'll give you an example. I have found myself driving the wrong way along along a one-way street a few times, in nearly 50 years' driving (and something in excess of a million miles driven). Each time it was inadvertent. On each occasion, I took steps to rectify the position immediately (or as immediately as possible in a narrow street). The last such incident took place about fifteen years ago in one of those towns just north west of Birmingham. I was heading for a late night supermarket for a bottle of wine to have in my hotel room. I didn't know the area and misread a town centre junction. It happens. On none of those occasions did I intend to ignore traffic signs, traffic lights, speed limit signs or anything else. It was just a result of human frailty. I can remember when cyclists took the same approach (I'm that old). But you cannot realistically claim that cyclists ignoring red traffic lights or riding on the footway have done that accidentally. And I know you would not try to claim it. Today, only some cyclists set out planning to obey traffic law do - and you know that to be true. Well, (speaking as a driver who considers their chance of being caught for speeding to be highly unlikely - touch wood) I would say it is. Being caught for speeding used to be unusual. Not now. Not for nothing do most manufacturers now fit a controllable speed limiter as an adjunct to cruise control. Not for nothing do I always have it set to 30mph, the only open question being whether it is switched in (in a 30 zone) or out or set to a higher limit (in a zone with a higher limit). The speed limiter is the best accessory for motor vehicles invented in the last twenty years. Well, joint-first with the satnav. Even careful and aware car drivers know how easy it is to exceed the speed limit, albeit if only fleetingly. Absolutely. So speaking as a pedestrian then, I could dispassionately say: 'All citizens have the right to point out that many (most?) car drivers and cyclist today routinely break traffic law'. True. And I too can say it as a pedestrian. But I have never had a car approach me driving along a footway. I can't say that about cycles - sometimes a whole family, who can never see anything wrong with their behaviour. Can you, and the rest of the group, accept that? I can, subject to that distinction(s) I made above, and of which you were already well aware in any case. |
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On 19/05/2020 14:55, JNugent wrote:
On 19/05/2020 13:29, TMS320 wrote: On 19/05/2020 12:37, Pamela wrote: On 19:32 17 May 2020, Simon Mason said: On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 7:19:26 PM UTC+1, Pamela wrote: At a red light too many cyclists act as if it's their absolute right to go through on red if there's no traffic. It's quite disgraceful. As disgraceful as this lot of offences in their millions? Speeding, parking - etc You seem to have a childish sense of right and wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right. What someone else does doesn't absolve your misdeed. Has anybody ever claimed otherwise? But it does mean that if drivers think that their own law breaking and that of other drivers is not a problem, they have no right to point a finger. That is 100% nonsense and you know it. All citizens have the right to point out that many (most?) cyclists today routinely break traffic law (though I'd say that it was not always so). It makes no difference what the individual citizen may have done or not done in the past, none of it devalues an accurate observation. Fair enough. I will allow you your "right" to mention if it is observed. You don't have the right to wag a finger if it is done with proper consideration. Is that better? |
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