Interesting that sometimes its the high end stuff that becomes obsolete.

Just looking at some old tubular wheels I have here and noticed something very interesting. My ancient hub that takes a thread on freewheel is still useful since freewheels are still available. However my vintage Uniglide Dura Ace cassette freehub is an orphan as that type of cassette is no longer made. Can't even change the freehub body as it's a proprietary unit to that particular hub. Then there was the weird Dura Ace stuff that had an unusual cable pull that isn't/wasn't compatible with anything else. Interesting that freewheels hubs are more useful today in that you can get a frewheel for one wheras you're SOL with the 7 speed Dura Ace cassette hub. Unless you want to go to all of the trouble of grinding the large tab on modern cassette cogs down to the size to fit the older spline.

That's the thing with friction shifters too. You can use just about any cassette or freewheel with friction shifters if something goes wrong. With the Shimano Brifters if something goes wrong you're SOL for repairing them and need to buy new ones even if it's just the right one that needs repairing.

More complicated parts are not neccessarily better if they can't be repaired by the home mechanic or if you can't get new cogs for them.

Cheers

You can still buy regular manual nails. And nail them swinging a 16, 20, 24, 28 ounce hammer. Or you can buy an airgun and nail like 100% of the house builders do. I do not know if modern airguns use the same coil of nails the airguns from 20 years ago used. Maybe airguns change the nails they accept over the years and old and new airguns do not use the same nail coils.. But as I said, 100% of the houses in the USA or Europe are nailed together using airguns. Maybe in Africa they are swinging manual hammers and using nails you pound in. Maybe you should go to Africa. You'd fit in better there.




On Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:29:17 PM UTC-6, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Just looking at some old tubular wheels I have here and noticed something very interesting. My ancient hub that takes a thread on freewheel is still useful since freewheels are still available. However my vintage Uniglide Dura Ace cassette freehub is an orphan as that type of cassette is no longer made. Can't even change the freehub body as it's a proprietary unit to that particular hub. Then there was the weird Dura Ace stuff that had an unusual cable pull that isn't/wasn't compatible with anything else. Interesting that freewheels hubs are more useful today in that you can get a frewheel for one wheras you're SOL with the 7 speed Dura Ace cassette hub. Unless you want to go to all of the trouble of grinding the large tab on modern cassette cogs down to the size to fit the older spline.



That's the thing with friction shifters too. You can use just about any cassette or freewheel with friction shifters if something goes wrong. With the Shimano Brifters if something goes wrong you're SOL for repairing them and need to buy new ones even if it's just the right one that needs repairing.



More complicated parts are not neccessarily better if they can't be repaired by the home mechanic or if you can't get new cogs for them.



Cheers

100% of automobiles use fuel injection today. No carbuerators are used anymore. But I suspect oldtime mechanics can work on carbuerators still. Maybe you should find one of these oldtime mechanics and have him convert your fuel injected car to a carbuerator.



On Sunday, February 23, 2014 2:28:24 PM UTC-6, wrote:
You can still buy regular manual nails. And nail them swinging a 16, 20, 24, 28 ounce hammer. Or you can buy an airgun and nail like 100% of the house builders do. I do not know if modern airguns use the same coil of nails the airguns from 20 years ago used. Maybe airguns change the nails they accept over the years and old and new airguns do not use the same nail coils. But as I said, 100% of the houses in the USA or Europe are nailed together using airguns. Maybe in Africa they are swinging manual hammers and using nails you pound in. Maybe you should go to Africa. You'd fit in better there.









On Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:29:17 PM UTC-6, Sir Ridesalot wrote:

Just looking at some old tubular wheels I have here and noticed something very interesting. My ancient hub that takes a thread on freewheel is still useful since freewheels are still available. However my vintage Uniglide Dura Ace cassette freehub is an orphan as that type of cassette is no longer made. Can't even change the freehub body as it's a proprietary unit to that particular hub. Then there was the weird Dura Ace stuff that had an unusual cable pull that isn't/wasn't compatible with anything else. Interesting that freewheels hubs are more useful today in that you can get a frewheel for one wheras you're SOL with the 7 speed Dura Ace cassette hub. Unless you want to go to all of the trouble of grinding the large tab on modern cassette cogs down to the size to fit the older spline.







That's the thing with friction shifters too. You can use just about any cassette or freewheel with friction shifters if something goes wrong. With the Shimano Brifters if something goes wrong you're SOL for repairing them and need to buy new ones even if it's just the right one that needs repairing.







More complicated parts are not neccessarily better if they can't be repaired by the home mechanic or if you can't get new cogs for them.







Cheers

On 2/23/2014 2:32 PM, wrote:
100% of automobiles use fuel injection today. No carbuerators are used anymore. But I suspect oldtime mechanics can work on carbuerators still. Maybe you should find one of these oldtime mechanics and have him convert your fuel injected car to a carbuerator.



On Sunday, February 23, 2014 2:28:24 PM UTC-6, wrote:
You can still buy regular manual nails. And nail them swinging a 16, 20, 24, 28 ounce hammer. Or you can buy an airgun and nail like 100% of the house builders do. I do not know if modern airguns use the same coil of nails the airguns from 20 years ago used. Maybe airguns change the nails they accept over the years and old and new airguns do not use the same nail coils. But as I said, 100% of the houses in the USA or Europe are nailed together using airguns. Maybe in Africa they are swinging manual hammers and using nails you pound in. Maybe you should go to Africa. You'd fit in better there.









On Sunday, February 23, 2014 1:29:17 PM UTC-6, Sir Ridesalot wrote:

Just looking at some old tubular wheels I have here and noticed something very interesting. My ancient hub that takes a thread on freewheel is still useful since freewheels are still available. However my vintage Uniglide Dura Ace cassette freehub is an orphan as that type of cassette is no longer made. Can't even change the freehub body as it's a proprietary unit to that particular hub. Then there was the weird Dura Ace stuff that had an unusual cable pull that isn't/wasn't compatible with anything else. Interesting that freewheels hubs are more useful today in that you can get a frewheel for one wheras you're SOL with the 7 speed Dura Ace cassette hub. Unless you want to go to all of the trouble of grinding the large tab on modern cassette cogs down to the size to fit the older spline.







That's the thing with friction shifters too. You can use just about any cassette or freewheel with friction shifters if something goes wrong. With the Shimano Brifters if something goes wrong you're SOL for repairing them and need to buy new ones even if it's just the right one that needs repairing.







More complicated parts are not neccessarily better if they can't be repaired by the home mechanic or if you can't get new cogs for them.







Cheers


I'm admittedly a luddite in some regards but I haven't
bought a nail since the first day I saw a drywall screw.

(p.s. all my cars have multiple carburetors or multiple
throat. Rebuild every 10 years or so, no complaints. After
the Chinese do their EMP thing I won't have anywhere to go
but my car will run.)

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2/23/2014 12:50 PM, AMuzi wrote:

I'm admittedly a luddite in some regards but I haven't bought a nail
since the first day I saw a drywall screw.

(p.s. all my cars have multiple carburetors or multiple throat. Rebuild
every 10 years or so, no complaints. After the Chinese do their EMP
thing I won't have anywhere to go but my car will run.)

Seriously? No electronic /ignition/, just points and the coil?
Most cars haven't been EMP-robust since something like the mid-80s, I think.

-Mark J. "Not really a survivalist, but I play one on TV"

On 2/23/2014 8:05 PM, Mark J. UseNet wrote:
On 2/23/2014 12:50 PM, AMuzi wrote:

I'm admittedly a luddite in some regards but I haven't bought a nail
since the first day I saw a drywall screw.

(p.s. all my cars have multiple carburetors or multiple throat. Rebuild
every 10 years or so, no complaints. After the Chinese do their EMP
thing I won't have anywhere to go but my car will run.)

Seriously? No electronic /ignition/, just points and the coil?
Most cars haven't been EMP-robust since something like the mid-80s, I
think.

-Mark J. "Not really a survivalist, but I play one on TV"

I believe A. Muzi's cars were made during the Johnson (Lyndon, not
Andrew) administration.

--
T0m $herm@n

On 2/23/2014 2:32 PM, wrote:
100% of automobiles use fuel injection today. No carbuerators are used anymore. But I suspect oldtime mechanics can work on carbuerators still. Maybe you should find one of these oldtime mechanics and have him convert your fuel injected car to a carbuerator.

You can still buy a new motorcycle with a carburetor.

--
T0m $herm@n

"T0m $herman" wrote:
On 2/23/2014 2:32 PM, wrote:
100% of automobiles use fuel injection today. No carbuerators are used
anymore. But I suspect oldtime mechanics can work on carbuerators
still. Maybe you should find one of these oldtime mechanics and have
him convert your fuel injected car to a carbuerator.

You can still buy a new motorcycle with a carburetor.


Where've you been Tom?

On Thursday, February 27, 2014 9:19:51 PM UTC-5, Ralph Barone wrote:
"T0m $herman" wrote:

On 2/23/2014 2:32 PM, wrote:

100% of automobiles use fuel injection today. No carbuerators are used

anymore. But I suspect oldtime mechanics can work on carbuerators

still. Maybe you should find one of these oldtime mechanics and have

him convert your fuel injected car to a carbuerator.



You can still buy a new motorcycle with a carburetor.





Where've you been Tom?

nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

Uncle Tom's cabin !

On Sunday, February 23, 2014 3:28:24 PM UTC-5, wrote:
You can still buy regular manual nails. And nail them swinging a 16, 20, 24, 28 ounce hammer. Or you can buy an airgun and nail like 100% of the house builders do. I do not know if modern airguns use the same coil of nails the airguns from 20 years ago used. Maybe airguns change the nails they accept over the years and old and new airguns do not use the same nail coils. But as I said, 100% of the houses in the USA or Europe are nailed together using airguns. Maybe in Africa they are swinging manual hammers and using nails you pound in. Maybe you should go to Africa. You'd fit in better there.

If I were going to build a new house, I might borrow an airgun plus a compressor to speed up the framing.

But if I just want to add a closet, or install some finishing trim, or even build a backyard shed, I'm going to use a hammer. The hammer is much less expensive, much more versatile, and unlike the nail gun I've used, it's reliable as ... well, as a hammer.

- Frank Krygowski