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On Tuesday, December 31, 2019 at 2:45:02 PM UTC, Simon Mason wrote:
QUOTE: Overtaking cyclists People may soon be encouraged to use the "Dutch reach" when opening their car doors. Drivers will also be instructed to give way to cyclists and pedestrians when turning left. The reason this is happening is to provide some clarity to the current Highway Code. The new guidelines would bring the UK in line with the US, where pedestrians always have priority. Some road safety campaigners have said the code does not do enough to explain how drivers should treat cyclists on the road. https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news...fences-3687626 I think we should introduce something called Road Tax based on 4th power of axle loading. A 1000kg car causes 1million times as much damage to roads as a 10kg bicycle. When you take into account motorways cost £1 million per mile it means if cyclists pay £1 per year motorists would have to pay £1 Billion per year. In the alternative motorists could thank cyclists for providing them with roads. |
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On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 20:13:42 +0000, TMS320 wrote:
On 02/01/2020 16:48, Ian Smith wrote: 'Often'? So if a road doesn't have 'sidewalks' you're not generally allowed to walk down it? And some clot from Hull Daily Mail thinks we should "bring the UK in line with the US, where pedestrians always have priority."? It would be nice if UK road builders provided crossing points at junctions as they do in the USA and increasingly being applied in continental Europe. No, because pretty much every square inch of every road in the UK is a 'crossing point'. You can cross wherever you like. This is better than having designated designated crossing points only at junctions. regards, Ian SMith -- |\ /| no .sig |o o| |/ \| |
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On 03/01/2020 03:36, Simon Jester wrote:
On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 10:13:29 AM UTC, Peter Keller wrote: On 02/01/2020 22:00, Simon Jester wrote: On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 7:19:41 AM UTC, Ian Smith wrote: On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 06:45:01 -0800 (PST), Simon Mason wrote: QUOTE: Drivers will also be instructed to give way to cyclists and pedestrians when turning left. The reason this is happening is to provide some clarity to the current Highway Code. The new guidelines would bring the UK in line with the US, where pedestrians always have priority. https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news...fences-3687626 Another example of journalists talking ********. How can it be that 'pedestrians always have priority' in a country that has jaywalking? This is a UK newsgroup. Jaywalking laws are a sign of a 4th world Police State. Going from Barbarism to Decadence without passing through Civilisation sums up Leftpondia. Except they have returned to barbarism. Look at their president. Trump is just an idiot, not a barbarian. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMYZoVtn73s Hilarious! |
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On 03/01/2020 08:04, Ian Smith wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 20:13:42 +0000, TMS320 wrote: On 02/01/2020 16:48, Ian Smith wrote: 'Often'? So if a road doesn't have 'sidewalks' you're not generally allowed to walk down it? And some clot from Hull Daily Mail thinks we should "bring the UK in line with the US, where pedestrians always have priority."? It would be nice if UK road builders provided crossing points at junctions as they do in the USA and increasingly being applied in continental Europe. No, because pretty much every square inch of every road in the UK is a 'crossing point'. You can cross wherever you like. This is better than having designated designated crossing points only at junctions. If all you want to do is cross the road to get to the other side, then fine, so long as traffic allows. But for walking some distance along the length of a road, the UK system and culture doesn't work properly or efficiently. The "jay walking" rule could be removed without requiring any change to the physical systems in place. It is no good being dead but right. When I was in the USA, I had no problem crossing where I wanted, bearing in mind usual precautions with traffic. Except such precautions usually mean that using designated crossings is the only practical thing to do. |
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On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 7:19:41 AM UTC, Ian Smith wrote:
On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 06:45:01 -0800 (PST), Simon Mason wrote: QUOTE: Drivers will also be instructed to give way to cyclists and pedestrians when turning left. The reason this is happening is to provide some clarity to the current Highway Code. The new guidelines would bring the UK in line with the US, where pedestrians always have priority. https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news...fences-3687626 Another example of journalists talking ********. How can it be that 'pedestrians always have priority' in a country that has jaywalking? Because jaywalking doesn't eliminate priority to pedestrians, it aims to prevent pedestrians crossing the road carelessly, which is in itself a good thing. Carelessness which can impose negative consequences on others is bad, and discouraging such behaviour is good. Just because someone is a poor wee vulnerable road user doesn't make carelessness ok. In my home town I get ****ed off with smart-phone-dumb-users nearly walking into me because they can't be bothered to invoke even a basic level of spatial awareness. |
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On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 10:20:15 AM UTC, TMS320 wrote:
On 03/01/2020 08:04, Ian Smith wrote: On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 20:13:42 +0000, TMS320 wrote: On 02/01/2020 16:48, Ian Smith wrote: 'Often'? So if a road doesn't have 'sidewalks' you're not generally allowed to walk down it? And some clot from Hull Daily Mail thinks we should "bring the UK in line with the US, where pedestrians always have priority."? It would be nice if UK road builders provided crossing points at junctions as they do in the USA and increasingly being applied in continental Europe. No, because pretty much every square inch of every road in the UK is a 'crossing point'. You can cross wherever you like. This is better than having designated designated crossing points only at junctions. If all you want to do is cross the road to get to the other side, then fine, so long as traffic allows. But for walking some distance along the length of a road, the UK system and culture doesn't work properly or efficiently. It is unavoidable in rural areas where roads do not have pavements but do have places where people want to walk too and from. It is also often unavoidable when going on a circular walk in the countryside, because sometimes the roads result in discontinuities in the footpaths, necessitating short road sections to get from one footpath to another. |
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On Sunday, January 5, 2020 at 3:44:55 PM UTC, Adam Lea wrote:
On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 10:20:15 AM UTC, TMS320 wrote: On 03/01/2020 08:04, Ian Smith wrote: On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 20:13:42 +0000, TMS320 wrote: On 02/01/2020 16:48, Ian Smith wrote: 'Often'? So if a road doesn't have 'sidewalks' you're not generally allowed to walk down it? And some clot from Hull Daily Mail thinks we should "bring the UK in line with the US, where pedestrians always have priority."? It would be nice if UK road builders provided crossing points at junctions as they do in the USA and increasingly being applied in continental Europe. No, because pretty much every square inch of every road in the UK is a 'crossing point'. You can cross wherever you like. This is better than having designated designated crossing points only at junctions. If all you want to do is cross the road to get to the other side, then fine, so long as traffic allows. But for walking some distance along the length of a road, the UK system and culture doesn't work properly or efficiently. It is unavoidable in rural areas where roads do not have pavements but do have places where people want to walk too and from. It is also often unavoidable when going on a circular walk in the countryside, because sometimes the roads result in discontinuities in the footpaths, necessitating short road sections to get from one footpath to another. Indeed. The Highway Code has a section for pedestrians and advises on walking in small or large groups on country roads that have no footways. |
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On 05/01/2020 15:44, Adam Lea wrote:
On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 10:20:15 AM UTC, TMS320 wrote: On 03/01/2020 08:04, Ian Smith wrote: On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 20:13:42 +0000, TMS320 wrote: On 02/01/2020 16:48, Ian Smith wrote: 'Often'? So if a road doesn't have 'sidewalks' you're not generally allowed to walk down it? And some clot from Hull Daily Mail thinks we should "bring the UK in line with the US, where pedestrians always have priority."? It would be nice if UK road builders provided crossing points at junctions as they do in the USA and increasingly being applied in continental Europe. No, because pretty much every square inch of every road in the UK is a 'crossing point'. You can cross wherever you like. This is better than having designated designated crossing points only at junctions. If all you want to do is cross the road to get to the other side, then fine, so long as traffic allows. But for walking some distance along the length of a road, the UK system and culture doesn't work properly or efficiently. It is unavoidable in rural areas where roads do not have pavements but do have places where people want to walk too and from. It is also often unavoidable when going on a circular walk in the countryside, because sometimes the roads result in discontinuities in the footpaths, necessitating short road sections to get from one footpath to another. Indeed, it can be difficult to put together a countr walk without having to leap into the undergrowth occasionally. But this is a slighty different to the issue of priority at junctions on town/city roads that have pavements. This is where I think the UK does badly. |
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