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On 2007-08-29, EuanB wrote:
Patrick Turner Wrote: Buull shiiit Really? There's heaps of evidence that the facts I've cited are as stated. Where's your evidence to the contray? You are a fool. Euan (and Theo), I'm curious. Why are you bothering? He's obviously not listening... -- John I'm burned around the edges but I'm tender in the middle. - Adrian Belew |
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SA - Road safety program launched with a focus on cyclists
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:47:48 +0800, Dorfus Dippintush
wrote: As a concerned citizen you should immediately disconnect your house from the power grid and use only carbon free fuels. kinda hard to ride the bicycle and eat no carbon based foods for fuel. |
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Theo Bekkers wrote: Patrick Turner wrote: EuanB wrote: Patrick Turner Wrote: In Sydney at Turramurra, a posh suburb where I grew up there were ZERO bike paths Percieved risk rarely equals actual risk. You have not answered all the questions I have raised so clearly. That could be because all your uqestions were directed at me. Why would Euan answer them? Why would I? Theo I address all my posts to the group, but my posts may speak directly to the guy to whom I have based by reply on for the group. ALL questions I may ask are directed at the group. If nobody anwers them, it often means that everyone in the group is A, possibly arrogant, lazy egotistical and offended, B, plain dumb, C, has not got the time, or only answers questions if it makes the questioner look very ill informed, or as part of a general sadistic tendency. Have I left anything out Theo? anyone else have a clue? In other groups, people are only too happy to try to fully answer questions as fully as possible, and with the truth, and if that isn't the case, I point it all out them wherever possible. Its called debating. And they have to proove they have read reports about cycling which they want me to read. Nobody has, so far. And they have to mount a persuasive argument. If need be, I persist with questions and if not answered and I prove them wrong, too bad. Many folks don't like retracting statements when the errors they have made are explained and proven. Too bad. The longer you fail to provide answers, the more everyone reading here will think the worst of you. Theo said he'd like to see cycle paths ripped up and grassed over. He doesn't seem to care that a huge number of cyclists would be very offended if this was to occur, and afaiac, Theo's attitude is one of a reckless trouble making vandal with ZERO credibility. Of course Theo won't answer my questions. Just why would he answer me if it makes him look like an arseole to so many people? Patrick Turner. |
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Theo Bekkers wrote: Patrick Turner wrote: In today's SMH, an article appeared about powered bicycles. These have always been around, but were usually hoorid noisy dirty fumy two stoke gizmos that worked on the tyre to add 200 watts to your own power. But todays gizmo had an electric chargable device, very quiet, which is lifted off/onto the bike and so fat guys get up hills but don't stop pedling entirely. Maybe that's a winner. Good for when I am 90. Pat, are you aware that rechargable electric vehicles, whilst being quiet and non-smelly in use, actually contribute more to greenhouse gases than petrol engined vehicles of similar power? It's because they're (mostly) powered by coal. I'd cite you some sites but you'd only refuse to read them and yell buuull-shiiiit. Theo The man who cycles to work on an electric bike which was described in SMH generates a tiny amount of carbon to charge the batteries, and get to work. But he saves an ENORMOUS amount of carbon if the bike is used to replace the SUV. Theo is heavilly into producing his own special brand of Bull****. Theo never reads reports he expects others to read, and never understands anything he reads, and thus cannot quote correctly and convincingly from what little he does read. The average person in a western nation wasteful economy needs around 0.7kW of power supplied to him 365days a year, 24 hours a day, on average. I know this by reading my electricity bills. This does not include transportation energy anywhare and everywhere. If I used 200 watts for 2 hours a day to charge the bike, its not a huge deal, only 0.4kwh out of a total of 17kwh. But surely 0.4kwh is less damaging to the Earth than 2 hours of SUV use, and I have not factored i transport to energy used per hour by anyone. Patrick Turner. |
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Theo Bekkers wrote: Dorfus Dippintush wrote: Theo Bekkers wrote: There's a whole bunch of elderly people zooming about in those gopher things, including my mother-in-law, those things _are_ coal-powered. My house is also coal-powered, but I don't have an electric HWS. Heck, I even have a coal-powered TV. As a concerned citizen you should immediately disconnect your house from the power grid and use only carbon free fuels. According to the carbon trading scheme I need just 55 trees to neutralise my carbon impact on the planet. I had about 800 when I moved in but planted another 250 just to make sure. You wanna rent some? Just watch out for bushfires. In 2002, AND 2003, the fires in Canberra added an enormous amount of tree carbon to the air. Fires are becoming more common as the planet warms. Theo Noboby wants to deal and trade with someone so inconsistent as Theo who says electric bicycles don't reduce carbon emissions even though I pointed out that a fat guy biking to work on a thimblefull or electric power saves a huge amount of carbon if he isn't in his car. In 40 years, when Theo's trees all start dying and falling over, they'll rot, and release their carbon. In 400 years, PERHAPS when we have genetically modified our species to put up with the heat and gross environmental degradation, we may be doing too little too late. Humans won't be around forever. The history of species shows species come, species go, and so shall we. The only way to remove carbon is to bury it, and leave it buried, preferably chemically bound to something stable, like calcioum and oxygen, ie, CaCO3. But mankind is addicted to digging things up.... Patrick Turner. |
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EuanB wrote: Patrick Turner Wrote: EuanB wrote: Patrick Turner Wrote: In Sydney at Turramurra, a posh suburb where I grew up there were ZERO bike paths Percieved risk rarely equates with actual risk. Copenhagen's transport department has recently released a report showing that cycle paths increased percieved safety for cyclists but increase road risk. You can read all about it here *http://tinyurl.com/3dlkbm* These are facts Pat. Not theories, not opinions, facts. -- EuanB Buull shiiit Really? There's heaps of evidence that the facts I've cited are as stated. Where's your evidence to the contray? You are a fool. It appears you have not read the reports you expect me to read. You cannot quote from them, have learnt nothing from them and all you can do is call someone a fool. You have not replied to all the concerns I have raised. Patrick Turner. -- EuanB |
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John Pitts wrote: On 2007-08-29, EuanB wrote: Patrick Turner Wrote: Buull shiiit Really? There's heaps of evidence that the facts I've cited are as stated. Where's your evidence to the contray? You are a fool. Euan (and Theo), I'm curious. Why are you bothering? He's obviously not listening... I'm listening alright John. I raise very fair questions, and then all i hear is silence or insults from guys who should know that neither wins any argument or gains any respect. YOU are no better, because you have not answered any questions either, and agree with the insults, and have nothing to contribute to the subject. Patrick Turner. -- John I'm burned around the edges but I'm tender in the middle. - Adrian Belew |
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In aus.bicycle on Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:17:50 -0000
John Pitts wrote: Euan (and Theo), I'm curious. Why are you bothering? He's obviously not listening... Euan's an educator, he's trying to educate. Theo's just a stirrer. Zebee - owner of functioning killfile, makes it easier to cope |
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SA - Road safety program launched with a focus on cyclists
In aus.bicycle on Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:55:29 +1000
Aeek wrote: On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:47:48 +0800, Dorfus Dippintush wrote: As a concerned citizen you should immediately disconnect your house from the power grid and use only carbon free fuels. kinda hard to ride the bicycle and eat no carbon based foods for fuel. Especially as the carbon foods are lighter and that's important! Zebee |
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SA - Road safety program launched with a focus on cyclists
Patrick Turner wrote:
The average person in a western nation wasteful economy needs around 0.7kW of power supplied to him 365days a year, 24 hours a day, on average. I know this by reading my electricity bills. Patrick "Mr Average" Turner ! :-) -- Bean "I've got a bike You can ride it if you like It's got a basket A bell that rings And things to make it look good I'd give it to you if I could But I borrowed it" Pink Floyd Remove "yourfinger" before replying |
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