|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#11
|
|||
|
|||
More on mobile phones & other wireless devices
On 18 Apr 2007 14:34:52 GMT, Chris wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote in : On 17 Apr 2007 22:10:20 -0700, (Bill Z.) wrote: Mike Vandeman writes: Check out Dr. George Carlo's site www.safewireless.org/ You can read his report to the CEO of AT&T and view a clip from "Cell-Phone Wars", a recent doc on mobile phones. You can find a bio of this dude at http://www.tapsns.com/gallery.php?mode=profile&galleryid=3202. It isn't clear what expertise he has regarding the interaction of electromagnetic radiation with matter, particularly when the frequency is too low Cell phone frequency is "low"? What planet are you from? If cell phone radiation didn't interact with matter, they wouldn't work! DUH! to cause ionization and when the power level is so low that heating is negligible. My guess is that Vanderman is beating the bushes and if you do that long enough, you can find someone who will say anything. Mike, 1) What frequency and power levels do cell phone use today?? "Cell Phone - A wireless telephone that sends and receives messages using radiofrequency energy in the 800-900 megahertz portion of the radiofrequency (RF) spectrum." What's "low" about that? It's a microwave frequency, like a microwave oven: "[a microwave oven] operates at a frequency of either 915 or 2450 millioncycles per second": "Microwaves - A subset of radio waves that have frequencies ranging from around 300 million waves per second (300 MHz) to three billion waves per second (3 GHz)." So it "cooks" your brain slowly, which is why it has been shown to cause tumors on the auditory nerve.. 2) What is ionizing radiation and how is it created? 3) Please relate items 1) and 2) above What for? A microwave oven can kill you, regardless of whether it uses ionizing radiation or not. What you're saying, in other words, is that it's okay to cook your brain, as long as it's done slowly. Please stick to subjects you have a glimmer of knowledge about. DUH back at you === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
Ads |
#12
|
|||
|
|||
More on mobile phones & other wireless devices
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 21:01:34 +0200, "RobDee" wrote:
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message .. . On 17 Apr 2007 22:10:20 -0700, (Bill Z.) wrote: Mike Vandeman writes: Check out Dr. George Carlo's site www.safewireless.org/ You can read his report to the CEO of AT&T and view a clip from "Cell-Phone Wars", a recent doc on mobile phones. You can find a bio of this dude at http://www.tapsns.com/gallery.php?mode=profile&galleryid=3202. It isn't clear what expertise he has regarding the interaction of electromagnetic radiation with matter, particularly when the frequency is too low Cell phone frequency is "low"? What planet are you from? If cell phone radiation didn't interact with matter, they wouldn't work! DUH! I suggest you get an encyclopedia suitable for any 5 year old - check out the ELECTROMAGNETIC SPECTRUM. You will see quite clearly that Bill is right - it is even lower frequency than visible light! Maybe you don't have that on *YOUR* planet? What's "low" about radiation than can be used to cook food? Please explain. to cause ionization and when the power level is so low that heating is negligible. My guess is that Vanderman is beating the bushes and if you do that long enough, you can find someone who will say anything. === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
#14
|
|||
|
|||
More on mobile phones & other wireless devices
Mike Vandeman wrote in
: On 18 Apr 2007 14:34:52 GMT, Chris wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote in m: On 17 Apr 2007 22:10:20 -0700, (Bill Z.) wrote: Mike Vandeman writes: Check out Dr. George Carlo's site www.safewireless.org/ You can read his report to the CEO of AT&T and view a clip from "Cell-Phone Wars", a recent doc on mobile phones. You can find a bio of this dude at http://www.tapsns.com/gallery.php?mode=profile&galleryid=3202. It isn't clear what expertise he has regarding the interaction of electromagnetic radiation with matter, particularly when the frequency is too low Cell phone frequency is "low"? What planet are you from? If cell phone radiation didn't interact with matter, they wouldn't work! DUH! to cause ionization and when the power level is so low that heating is negligible. My guess is that Vanderman is beating the bushes and if you do that long enough, you can find someone who will say anything. Mike, 1) What frequency and power levels do cell phone use today?? "Cell Phone - A wireless telephone that sends and receives messages using radiofrequency energy in the 800-900 megahertz portion of the radiofrequency (RF) spectrum." What's "low" about that? It's a microwave frequency, like a microwave oven: "[a microwave oven] operates at a frequency of either 915 or 2450 millioncycles per second": "Microwaves - A subset of radio waves that have frequencies ranging from around 300 million waves per second (300 MHz) to three billion waves per second (3 GHz)." So it "cooks" your brain slowly, which is why it has been shown to cause tumors on the auditory nerve.. You have no idea what you are talking about do you? I wail make this as simple as I can for you. 300MHz to 3GHz is in the RF spectrum (longer wavelengths) and in entire spectrum is relitily low frequency see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_frequency Much higher frequencies (lower wave lengths) that are all around you all the time, like visible light for example see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_spectrum What 'cooks' food in a microwave oven is a particular frequency (wave length) that 'excites' water/fat at 2.45 GHz. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven You will notice that frequencies that cell phone use AVOIDS that particular frequency that microwave ovens do http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_frequencies That is done for 2 reasons: 1) Cell phone companies are tring to avoid 'cooking' thier customers 2) Microwave ovens would interfere with cell operation 2) What is ionizing radiation and how is it created? 3) Please relate items 1) and 2) above What for? A microwave oven can kill you, regardless of whether it uses ionizing radiation or not. What you're saying, in other words, is that it's okay to cook your brain, as long as it's done slowly. Please stick to subjects you have a glimmer of knowledge about. DUH back at you === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
#15
|
|||
|
|||
More on mobile phones & other wireless devices
On 19 Apr 2007 12:10:29 GMT, Chris wrote:
Mike Vandeman wrote in : On 18 Apr 2007 14:34:52 GMT, Chris wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote in : On 17 Apr 2007 22:10:20 -0700, (Bill Z.) wrote: Mike Vandeman writes: Check out Dr. George Carlo's site www.safewireless.org/ You can read his report to the CEO of AT&T and view a clip from "Cell-Phone Wars", a recent doc on mobile phones. You can find a bio of this dude at http://www.tapsns.com/gallery.php?mode=profile&galleryid=3202. It isn't clear what expertise he has regarding the interaction of electromagnetic radiation with matter, particularly when the frequency is too low Cell phone frequency is "low"? What planet are you from? If cell phone radiation didn't interact with matter, they wouldn't work! DUH! to cause ionization and when the power level is so low that heating is negligible. My guess is that Vanderman is beating the bushes and if you do that long enough, you can find someone who will say anything. Mike, 1) What frequency and power levels do cell phone use today?? "Cell Phone - A wireless telephone that sends and receives messages using radiofrequency energy in the 800-900 megahertz portion of the radiofrequency (RF) spectrum." What's "low" about that? It's a microwave frequency, like a microwave oven: "[a microwave oven] operates at a frequency of either 915 or 2450 millioncycles per second": "Microwaves - A subset of radio waves that have frequencies ranging from around 300 million waves per second (300 MHz) to three billion waves per second (3 GHz)." So it "cooks" your brain slowly, which is why it has been shown to cause tumors on the auditory nerve.. You have no idea what you are talking about do you? I wail make this as simple as I can for you. 300MHz to 3GHz is in the RF spectrum (longer wavelengths) and in entire spectrum is relitily low frequency see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_frequency Much higher frequencies (lower wave lengths) that are all around you all the time, like visible light for example see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_spectrum What 'cooks' food in a microwave oven is a particular frequency (wave length) that 'excites' water/fat at 2.45 GHz. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven "[a microwave oven] operates at a frequency of either 915 or 2450 millioncycles per second" In other words, 915 Mhz is also capable of cooking you, and cell phone frequencies are very close to that. Of course, nothing in this message proves that they are safe, which they are NOT. DUH! You will notice that frequencies that cell phone use AVOIDS that particular frequency that microwave ovens do http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_frequencies That is done for 2 reasons: 1) Cell phone companies are tring to avoid 'cooking' thier customers 2) Microwave ovens would interfere with cell operation 2) What is ionizing radiation and how is it created? 3) Please relate items 1) and 2) above What for? A microwave oven can kill you, regardless of whether it uses ionizing radiation or not. What you're saying, in other words, is that it's okay to cook your brain, as long as it's done slowly. Please stick to subjects you have a glimmer of knowledge about. DUH back at you === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
#16
|
|||
|
|||
More on mobile phones & other wireless devices
Mike Vandeman wrote in
: On 19 Apr 2007 12:10:29 GMT, Chris wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote in m: On 18 Apr 2007 14:34:52 GMT, Chris wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote in m: On 17 Apr 2007 22:10:20 -0700, (Bill Z.) wrote: Mike Vandeman writes: Check out Dr. George Carlo's site www.safewireless.org/ You can read his report to the CEO of AT&T and view a clip from "Cell-Phone Wars", a recent doc on mobile phones. You can find a bio of this dude at http://www.tapsns.com/gallery.php?mode=profile&galleryid=3202. It isn't clear what expertise he has regarding the interaction of electromagnetic radiation with matter, particularly when the frequency is too low Cell phone frequency is "low"? What planet are you from? If cell phone radiation didn't interact with matter, they wouldn't work! DUH! to cause ionization and when the power level is so low that heating is negligible. My guess is that Vanderman is beating the bushes and if you do that long enough, you can find someone who will say anything. Mike, 1) What frequency and power levels do cell phone use today?? "Cell Phone - A wireless telephone that sends and receives messages using radiofrequency energy in the 800-900 megahertz portion of the radiofrequency (RF) spectrum." What's "low" about that? It's a microwave frequency, like a microwave oven: "[a microwave oven] operates at a frequency of either 915 or 2450 millioncycles per second": "Microwaves - A subset of radio waves that have frequencies ranging from around 300 million waves per second (300 MHz) to three billion waves per second (3 GHz)." So it "cooks" your brain slowly, which is why it has been shown to cause tumors on the auditory nerve.. You have no idea what you are talking about do you? I wail make this as simple as I can for you. 300MHz to 3GHz is in the RF spectrum (longer wavelengths) and in entire spectrum is relitily low frequency see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_frequency Much higher frequencies (lower wave lengths) that are all around you all the time, like visible light for example see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_spectrum What 'cooks' food in a microwave oven is a particular frequency (wave length) that 'excites' water/fat at 2.45 GHz. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven "[a microwave oven] operates at a frequency of either 915 or 2450 millioncycles per second" In other words, 915 Mhz is also capable of cooking you, and cell phone frequencies are very close to that. Of course, nothing in this message proves that they are safe, which they are NOT. DUH! Cell phone AVOID the 915 MHz freq also. The closest cell freq is 14 Mhz away. I believe I am having a discussion with an idiot. 'Close' is not good enough, very specific frequencies are needed to 'excite' water (i.e. your brain) The very lower power emitted from cell phone is 125 mWatts has not be shown to be unsafe to humans. Low power Microwave ovens , type that is used in a home, areare 1000 Watts, or about 8000 times more powerful. Please do not try to link Microwave ovens and cell phones. I do not feel constant cell phone use is safe myself, especially for the young. Any type of microwave energy (800, 900 MHz 2.4 Ghz) at the lowest engeries (125mW) at 2 - 3 cm from your brain cant be healthy. I dont own one. But.... Cell phones DO NOT COOK YOUR BRAIN. May cause cancer. You will notice that frequencies that cell phone use AVOIDS that particular frequency that microwave ovens do http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_frequencies That is done for 2 reasons: 1) Cell phone companies are tring to avoid 'cooking' thier customers 2) Microwave ovens would interfere with cell operation 2) What is ionizing radiation and how is it created? 3) Please relate items 1) and 2) above What for? A microwave oven can kill you, regardless of whether it uses ionizing radiation or not. What you're saying, in other words, is that it's okay to cook your brain, as long as it's done slowly. Please stick to subjects you have a glimmer of knowledge about. DUH back at you === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
#17
|
|||
|
|||
More on mobile phones & other wireless devices
Mike Vandeman wrote:
On 19 Apr 2007 12:10:29 GMT, Chris wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote in : On 18 Apr 2007 14:34:52 GMT, Chris wrote: Mike Vandeman wrote in : On 17 Apr 2007 22:10:20 -0700, (Bill Z.) wrote: Mike Vandeman writes: Check out Dr. George Carlo's site www.safewireless.org/ You can read his report to the CEO of AT&T and view a clip from "Cell-Phone Wars", a recent doc on mobile phones. You can find a bio of this dude at http://www.tapsns.com/gallery.php?mode=profile&galleryid=3202. It isn't clear what expertise he has regarding the interaction of electromagnetic radiation with matter, particularly when the frequency is too low Cell phone frequency is "low"? What planet are you from? If cell phone radiation didn't interact with matter, they wouldn't work! DUH! to cause ionization and when the power level is so low that heating is negligible. My guess is that Vanderman is beating the bushes and if you do that long enough, you can find someone who will say anything. Mike, 1) What frequency and power levels do cell phone use today?? "Cell Phone - A wireless telephone that sends and receives messages using radiofrequency energy in the 800-900 megahertz portion of the radiofrequency (RF) spectrum." What's "low" about that? It's a microwave frequency, like a microwave oven: "[a microwave oven] operates at a frequency of either 915 or 2450 millioncycles per second": "Microwaves - A subset of radio waves that have frequencies ranging from around 300 million waves per second (300 MHz) to three billion waves per second (3 GHz)." So it "cooks" your brain slowly, which is why it has been shown to cause tumors on the auditory nerve.. You have no idea what you are talking about do you? I wail make this as simple as I can for you. 300MHz to 3GHz is in the RF spectrum (longer wavelengths) and in entire spectrum is relitily low frequency see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_frequency Much higher frequencies (lower wave lengths) that are all around you all the time, like visible light for example see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_spectrum What 'cooks' food in a microwave oven is a particular frequency (wave length) that 'excites' water/fat at 2.45 GHz. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven "[a microwave oven] operates at a frequency of either 915 or 2450 millioncycles per second" In other words, 915 Mhz is also capable of cooking you, and cell phone frequencies are very close to that. Of course, nothing in this message proves that they are safe, which they are NOT. DUH! As Chris pointed out, microwave radiation excites a particular rotation mode in the water molecule. All this does is increase the temperature. This is totally different than what is expected to cause cancer, which are mutations caused my DNA scission or other damage to genetic material - what someone else termed "ionizing radiation". Do your own research, Mike. You will notice that frequencies that cell phone use AVOIDS that particular frequency that microwave ovens do http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_frequencies That is done for 2 reasons: 1) Cell phone companies are tring to avoid 'cooking' thier customers 2) Microwave ovens would interfere with cell operation 2) What is ionizing radiation and how is it created? 3) Please relate items 1) and 2) above What for? A microwave oven can kill you, regardless of whether it uses ionizing radiation or not. What you're saying, in other words, is that it's okay to cook your brain, as long as it's done slowly. Please stick to subjects you have a glimmer of knowledge about. DUH back at you === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande === I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 years fighting auto dependence and road construction.) Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of! http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande |
#18
|
|||
|
|||
More on mobile phones & other wireless devices
"Mike Vandeman" wrote in message ... On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:59:27 GMT, (Bill Z.) wrote: Mike Vandeman writes: On 17 Apr 2007 22:10:20 -0700, (Bill Z.) wrote: Mike Vandeman writes: Check out Dr. George Carlo's site www.safewireless.org/ You can read his report to the CEO of AT&T and view a clip from "Cell-Phone Wars", a recent doc on mobile phones. You can find a bio of this dude at http://www.tapsns.com/gallery.php?mode=profile&galleryid=3202. It isn't clear what expertise he has regarding the interaction of electromagnetic radiation with matter, particularly when the frequency is too low Cell phone frequency is "low"? What planet are you from? If cell phone radiation didn't interact with matter, they wouldn't work! DUH! Vandeman, you would look like less of a liar if you would at least reply to full sentences: I stated that it is "too low to cause ionization", and that is a fact. It is simply dishonest to try to put words in people's mouths. BS. I quoted you verbatim. WHAT BILL SAID, quote .... frequency is too low to cause ionization and when the power level is so low that heating is negligible. /quote WHAT MIKE SAID quote Cell phone frequency is "low"? /quote WHAT JEFF SAYS Notice that Mike morphs Bill's statement by driopping key words, then replying to the remaining words as if those were the ones spoken (or typed, in this case). Mike is not only a liar, he is an intellectually dishonest liar. He could at least lie in his response to what was said, but he changes what was said, then lies about that. And he subsequently states emphatically that he quoted, which only restates his original lie. That's three lies ... |
#19
|
|||
|
|||
More on mobile phones & other wireless devices
Mike Vandeman writes:
On 19 Apr 2007 12:10:29 GMT, Chris wrote: What 'cooks' food in a microwave oven is a particular frequency (wave length) that 'excites' water/fat at 2.45 GHz. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_oven "[a microwave oven] operates at a frequency of either 915 or 2450 millioncycles per second" In other words, 915 Mhz is also capable of cooking you, and cell phone frequencies are very close to that. Of course, nothing in this message proves that they are safe, which they are NOT. DUH! Instead of being reduced to silly statements like "duh", I suggest Vanderman pick up a graduate-level text on electricity and magnetism, plus a few books on quantum mechanics so that he can understand what is going on. The width in frequency of these transitions can be quite narrow (and depends on the lifetime of excited states - the longer the lifetime, the narrower the width). I'm not going to go into the details - it would take far too long to explain, and there is no point in my writing a physics textbook for Vanderman's edification. 2) What is ionizing radiation and how is it created? 3) Please relate items 1) and 2) above What for? A microwave oven can kill you, regardless of whether it uses ionizing radiation or not. What you're saying, in other words, is that it's okay to cook your brain, as long as it's done slowly. Because a single photon at a sufficiently high frequency is enough to ionize something, whereas to cook you, you need enough energy to raise your body temperature to the point where you willl actually be cooked. The furnace/wall heater in your house can be used to cook you too, provided that you raise ambient temperature sufficiently (which would require a small room and good insulation). -- My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB |
#20
|
|||
|
|||
More on mobile phones & other wireless devices
Mike Vandeman writes:
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:59:27 GMT, (Bill Z.) wrote: Mike Vandeman writes: On 17 Apr 2007 22:10:20 -0700, (Bill Z.) Cell phone frequency is "low"? What planet are you from? If cell phone radiation didn't interact with matter, they wouldn't work! DUH! Vandeman, you would look like less of a liar if you would at least reply to full sentences: I stated that it is "too low to cause ionization", and that is a fact. It is simply dishonest to try to put words in people's mouths. BS. I quoted you verbatim. You quoted only one half of a short clause, pretending "low" did not mean "too low to cause ionization", the latter being what was actually said. -- My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Are mobile phones wiping out our bees? | Mike Vandeman | Mountain Biking | 24 | April 24th 07 07:05 PM |
Hub Dynamo for charging mobile phones | biking-geordie | UK | 9 | October 30th 06 11:49 AM |
So many people driving with mobile phones | dannyfrankszzz | UK | 22 | September 7th 06 12:06 PM |
Mobile 'phones crackdown | MartinM | UK | 79 | November 23rd 04 02:32 PM |
Mobile Phones | Vincent Wilcox | UK | 38 | December 5th 03 10:02 AM |