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I get 3 miles per banana, do you?
On Mar 24, 1:07 pm, Jym Dyer wrote:
=v= Contact if you don't think BananaBozo should be using his nolionnoproblem Yahoo! ID to spam multiple newsgroups with crossposted ads for his idiotic T-shirts. =v= I can find no concern about spam at the spamvertised Zazzle site (indeed, they suggest that you turn off all spam-filtering software) but you can call them at 1-888-8ZAZZLE and let them know what you think of their customer BananaRevolutionGear. _Jym_ You may also call 1-800-EAT-**** You must be retarded if you think that my purpose here is to sell t- shirts and not promote biking in America, and why not, the whole wide world. The t-shirts are only banners and some of them I give with zero commission... http://webspawner.com/users/bikeforpeace |
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ComandanteBanana writes: On Mar 24, 12:16*am, (Tom Keats) wrote: In article ], * * * * Ryan Cousineau writes: In article , *"Simon Mason" wrote: "ComandanteBanana" wrote in message ... This is where my data comes from... (Specialized catalog) "100 calories can power a cyclist for three miles; 100 calories can power a car 280 feet" And since a banana has roughly 100 calories, then you can go 3 miles per banana. But if you drive a car to the supermarket, then you can only run 1 block... So after making sure all my numbers are correct, I'm off to work on my next t-shirt... "I get 3 miles per banana, do you?" You have got to allow for the diesel burned by the ship from Trinidad as well. I once calculated it for watermelons, and it takes about a third of a litre of diesel to move a watermelon across the Pacific Ocean. I believe rail transport is even more fuel-efficient. http://vancouver.metblogs.com/2008/0...-not-want-not/ Yes, it is easily possible to use more gas getting fruit from the store to your house than it took to get it from the field to the produce aisle. That this isn't an obvious result is a bit surprising to me: you can't spend much on fuel when the fruit costs less than a dollar at retail. But you must remember, goods movement is highly inter-modal. *Those watermelons going across the Pacific Ocean have to be offloaded by motorized cranes, and moved around by all kinds of motorized vehicles before they ultimately end up in the supermarket or green grocer's. *And then ports generally have a bunch of security personnel, supervisors and other staff driving around. I think both moving a 5 ton SUV to the supermarket and shipping a watermelon from foreign lands is wasteful, and directly responsible for Climate Change, a stupid foreign policy in the Middle East, as well as starving the local farmers, among other evils. So you're against international trade. I assume that includes shipping North American goods, produce, medical supplies, etc overseas. Enjoy your bananas. Here -- have another. -- Nothing is safe from me. I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca |
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"Leo Lichtman" wrote: "Ryan Cousineau" .(clip) That this isn't an obvious result is a bit surprising to me: you can't spend much on fuel when the fruit costs less than a dollar at retail. (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ By the same token, the average shopper spends far more for groceries than for the gasoline to get them home. Fuel costs are minor compared to food cost, so how can we assume the truckers and shippers are spending less than we are? Well, not less, and yes, you've found a hole in my argument (namely, that people rarely buy groceries at the rate of one item per store-visit). That said, truckers and shippers make it up in volume. I don't think most people apprehend what the cargo capacities we're talking about are like: Honda Element: 25 cubic feet (75 if you remove the back seats) 40' container: 2385 cu. ft Container ship: 8,500,000 cubic feet (figuring about 7,000 TEU**, which is a big ship, but the biggest are now clearing 15,000 TEU) *the Element motor has 160 hp; a Cat C13 diesel engine gets by with 350-530, albeit with four-figure torque. **Twenty-foot Equivalent Units. The most common modern container is 40' long: a 2-TEU container. -- Ryan Cousineau http://www.wiredcola.com/ "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls." "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them." |
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On Mar 24, 11:13*pm, Ryan Cousineau wrote:
In article , *"Leo Lichtman" wrote: "Ryan Cousineau" .(clip) That this isn't an obvious result is a bit surprising to me: you can't spend much on fuel when the fruit costs less than a dollar at retail. (clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ By the same token, the average shopper spends far more for groceries *than for the gasoline to get them home. *Fuel costs are minor compared to food cost, so how can we assume the truckers and shippers are spending less than we are? Well, not less, and yes, you've found a hole in my argument (namely, that people rarely buy groceries at the rate of one item per store-visit). That said, truckers and shippers make it up in volume. I don't think most people apprehend what the cargo capacities we're talking about are like: Honda Element: 25 cubic feet (75 if you remove the back seats) 40' container: 2385 cu. ft Container ship: 8,500,000 cubic feet (figuring about 7,000 TEU**, which is a big ship, but the biggest are now clearing 15,000 TEU) *the Element motor has 160 hp; a Cat C13 diesel engine gets by with 350-530, albeit with four-figure torque. **Twenty-foot Equivalent Units. The most common modern container is 40' long: a 2-TEU container. -- Ryan Cousineau / "In other newsgroups, they killfile trolls." "In rec.bicycles.racing, we coach them." A few random comments: - The Honda Element would do well to handle 500 pounds of groceries and lucky to get 40mpg doing so. A typical over road truck is capable of carrying loads in excess of 50,000 lbs and can get well over 6mpg doing it. This means the element is getting 4 ton-miles/gallon while the truck is getting about 150 ton-miles per gallon. - Assume that our cyclist is transporting 200lbs of Bananas and as someone suggested, gets the equivalent of 900 mpg. Ignoring the fact that a cycliist hauling 200lbs of Bananas is going to be considerably less efficient, this works out to about 90 ton-miles/gallon. So, if you want to transport your bananas from South America to the your marketplace, clearly a truck is the more efficient method. Rail and Ships are considerably more efficient. - Those Honda Horses, they pretty much in someones head, ask that motor to actually put out 160hp for a moment, oh one probably did it for a moment or two on a test stand somewhere before it exploded. Those Caterpillar Horses, they are right there and real... The run in for a Cummins diesel used to be an hour on a Dyno... The spec was that if the engine had to produce at least 96% of the rated power for 15 minutes, otherwise it needed fixin'... Oh well... Jon |
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On Mar 24, 9:45*pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:
In article , * * * * ComandanteBanana writes: On Mar 24, 12:16*am, (Tom Keats) wrote: In article ], * * * * Ryan Cousineau writes: In article , *"Simon Mason" wrote: "ComandanteBanana" wrote in message ... This is where my data comes from... (Specialized catalog) "100 calories can power a cyclist for three miles; 100 calories can power a car 280 feet" And since a banana has roughly 100 calories, then you can go 3 miles per banana. But if you drive a car to the supermarket, then you can only run 1 block... So after making sure all my numbers are correct, I'm off to work on my next t-shirt... "I get 3 miles per banana, do you?" You have got to allow for the diesel burned by the ship from Trinidad as well. I once calculated it for watermelons, and it takes about a third of a litre of diesel to move a watermelon across the Pacific Ocean. I believe rail transport is even more fuel-efficient. http://vancouver.metblogs.com/2008/0...-not-want-not/ Yes, it is easily possible to use more gas getting fruit from the store to your house than it took to get it from the field to the produce aisle. That this isn't an obvious result is a bit surprising to me: you can't spend much on fuel when the fruit costs less than a dollar at retail. But you must remember, goods movement is highly inter-modal. *Those watermelons going across the Pacific Ocean have to be offloaded by motorized cranes, and moved around by all kinds of motorized vehicles before they ultimately end up in the supermarket or green grocer's. *And then ports generally have a bunch of security personnel, supervisors and other staff driving around. I think both moving a 5 ton SUV to the supermarket and shipping a watermelon from foreign lands is wasteful, and directly responsible for Climate Change, a stupid foreign policy in the Middle East, as well as starving the local farmers, among other evils. So you're against international trade. *I assume that includes shipping North American goods, produce, medical supplies, etc overseas. No, I'm against Globalization when it means losing American jobs to China or Mexico. For one, it destroyed American unions and secondly they have few environmental controls down there. And thirdly the shipping is plain insane. You should go and work in maquiladora with gang violence and all. But that's American import, isn't it? I mean PROHIBITION, of course. |
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On Mar 25, 5:48*am, " wrote:
- *Assume that our cyclist is transporting 200lbs of Bananas and as someone suggested, gets the equivalent of 900 mpg. * Ignoring the fact that a cycliist hauling 200lbs of Bananas is going to be considerably less efficient, this works out to about 90 ton-miles/gallon. * I'm just waiting for any excuse to jump on my bike and go to the supermarket. How many Americans can do that safely? |
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On Mar 25, 9:48 am, " wrote:
snip - Those Honda Horses, they pretty much in someones head, ask that motor to actually put out 160hp for a moment, oh one probably did it for a moment or two on a test stand somewhere before it exploded. Those Caterpillar Horses, they are right there and real... The run in for a Cummins diesel used to be an hour on a Dyno... The spec was that if the engine had to produce at least 96% of the rated power for 15 minutes, otherwise it needed fixin'... Oh well... Jon The Honda and the Cat are both rated by the same SAE protocol for the exact same period of time, as required by US law. Opus |
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On Mar 25, 7:46*am, Opus wrote:
On Mar 25, 9:48 am, " wrote: snip - Those Honda Horses, they pretty much in someones head, ask that motor to actually put out 160hp for a moment, oh one probably did it for a moment or two on a test stand somewhere before it exploded. Those Caterpillar Horses, they are right there and real... The run in for a Cummins diesel used to be an hour on a Dyno... *The spec was that if the engine had to produce at least 96% of the rated power for 15 minutes, otherwise it needed fixin'... Oh well... Jon The Honda and the Cat are both rated by the same SAE protocol for the exact same period of time, as required by US law. Opus I looked around and saw a lot of pages touting "certified SAE Horsepower" but I did not find anything that actually stated the actual testing procedure without paying for it. I am highly skeptical that a gasoline automobile motor could last 15 minutes on a dyno at full power where as it quite well established that a commercial diesel motor can do this for hours even days on end... Jon Jon |
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I wonder why Europe is so much ahead in everything, but in military
matters. Fast trains and bikes are just good examples (among other issues like healthcare, drug liberalization, public transportation and traffic safety) EuroVelo, the European cycle route network, is a project of the European Cyclists' Federation (ECF). "EuroVelo is made up of 12 routes, totalling over 66,000 km, of which about 45,000 km is already in place. The EuroVelo routes are made up of existing and planned cycle routes at regional and national level, selected according to published criteria (see the EuroVelo Guidelines for Implementation/ Route principles for further details). A signposting system for EuroVelo routes has been developed (see the Manual Signalization for EuroVelo routes for details). The development and operation of the EuroVelo routes are carried out by national, regional and local governments, commercial service providers and NGOs in all the European countries. ECF is ready to be a partner in projects on developing EuroVelo routes and promoting their use." http://www.ecf.com/14_1 |
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On Mar 25, 4:58 pm, " wrote:
snip I looked around and saw a lot of pages touting "certified SAE Horsepower" but I did not find anything that actually stated the actual testing procedure without paying for it. I am highly skeptical that a gasoline automobile motor could last 15 minutes on a dyno at full power where as it quite well established that a commercial diesel motor can do this for hours even days on end... Jon Jon Be skeptical all you want, I forgot the exact number of hours the test requires the engine to stay at full power, but several manufacturers have used those test results to project 100.000 mile record runs, particularly Subaru and Benz. That's 100,000 miles at full power only stopping for gas or diesel, driver changes every 4 hours as required by the FIA for safety, and oil changes and air filter replacement. The used to allow for spark plug changes, but as I haven't been involved in that kind of testing in more than 20 years I don't know what the rules are for changing spark plugs. I know that when Subaru did their record attempt they changed spark plugs at 50.000 miles but that was last century. Benz' last attempt was with a diesel so they didn't have any plugs to change. Opus |
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