#21
|
|||
|
|||
Discs
On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 11:47:23 PM UTC-7, Tosspot wrote:
Why do they have holes in them? Car discs don't, motorbike discs don't, aircraft discs don't. Why do bicycle discs have them? drill holes collect material melt for new ...cost effective balance heat dissipation more holes more surface area. the manufacturer takes a thermal picture of his hot rotor then drills there n another hole over there to balance. Ceramic disc may avoid thermal hot spotting or boundaries Harris Allen has info with an interesting NE obs on road bikes https://www.sheldonbrown.com/disc-brakes.html |
Ads |
#22
|
|||
|
|||
Discs
On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 6:43:23 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/16/2017 12:47 AM, Tosspot wrote: Why do they have holes in them? Car discs don't, motorbike discs don't, aircraft discs don't. Why do bicycle discs have them? Many do have slots or holes. Typical low-end auto discs have a center air channel. Our researcher discovered this by completely ignoring normal maintenance: http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfr...t/NRCTDISC.JPG -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 when there's a brake tug on the front end ...hearing is at aloss with closed windows ...then the brake is inspected with an LED thru slots in the disc...check with Goo Images I cured one-two with a direct spraying at the car wash..last removing a tick tick not herd thru a closed ac window pass side... accidently pulled into the pressure manure wagon spray hold when in doubt get down turn wheels spray both sides .. same for bike ? spray first ask later |
#23
|
|||
|
|||
Discs
On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 12:42:42 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 6:43:23 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote: On 11/16/2017 12:47 AM, Tosspot wrote: Why do they have holes in them? Car discs don't, motorbike discs don't, aircraft discs don't. Why do bicycle discs have them? Many do have slots or holes. Typical low-end auto discs have a center air channel. Our researcher discovered this by completely ignoring normal maintenance: http://www.yellowjersey.org/photosfr...t/NRCTDISC.JPG -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 when there's a brake tug on the front end ...hearing is at aloss with closed windows ...then the brake is inspected with an LED thru slots in the disc...check with Goo Images I cured one-two with a direct spraying at the car wash..last removing a tick tick not herd thru a closed ac window pass side... accidently pulled into the pressure manure wagon spray hold when in doubt get down turn wheels spray both sides .. same for bike ? spray first ask later goo.gl/j6Dzkj the xtreme wavy cut has my curiosity but not found here. saw it hard to track a circle on that. |
#24
|
|||
|
|||
Discs
On 2017-11-16 17:05, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 16:23:34 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2017-11-16 16:09, John B. wrote: On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 15:28:13 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2017-11-16 13:21, Tosspot wrote: On 16/11/17 20:38, David Scheidt wrote: Tosspot wrote: :Why do they have holes in them? :Car discs don't, motorbike discs don't, aircraft discs don't. Why do :bicycle discs have them? Lots of high-performance car brake rotors are drilled or slotted. Slotting is more common on better stuff, holes can crack. They serve a couple of features. One, people think they're cool. two, they allow the gasses that come off brake pads somewhere to go (this is a non-issue with modern pads, but it was a problem in the dark ages). Three, they give water somewhere to go. Four, they improve cooling (increase surface area). five, the clean pads, and reduce wear. Gasses off a bicycle pad? Really? Nobody drills rims, and most[1] motorbikes, which are exposed to the rain don't. Because 75 kg of me at 30 kph is the same KE as 160 kph Audi at 1.5 tonnes? Nah. Hmmm...could it be it helps to clean them? They aren't dissipating the KE, so they don't get Eeek! hot. But surely the crud would build up in the holes? I'm going to order a solid one for the front and fit it in the spring and see if it makes any difference. If you find a place (in the US or China) that sells solid 8" or 203mm rotors please let us know. https://www.amazon.com/SRAM-Guide-Ul.../dp/B00XAY7CYK or http://www.jensonusa.com/SRAM-Guide-...te-Disc-Brake/ The SRAM brake Ultimate Brake with 950mm front discs and 1,800 rear discs. Quote "ROTOR SIZES: 140, 160, 170, 180, 200mm" I've got that already. It's not solid rotors. I assume these are for the "go fast people". What's so special about this stuff other than very high prices? Good Lord! It is made by SRAM and everyone knows that they build super stuff. Some of which is even used on TdeF racing bicycles :-) Oh, yes, right. We must bow down deeply and I should never complain about having to pay 10x or more than my current solution. Another confession. I use $10 T-shirts on all my rides instead of $100 technicolor Spandex. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
#25
|
|||
|
|||
Discs
On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 7:30:31 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-11-16 17:05, John B. wrote: On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 16:23:34 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2017-11-16 16:09, John B. wrote: On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 15:28:13 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2017-11-16 13:21, Tosspot wrote: On 16/11/17 20:38, David Scheidt wrote: Tosspot wrote: :Why do they have holes in them? :Car discs don't, motorbike discs don't, aircraft discs don't. Why do :bicycle discs have them? Lots of high-performance car brake rotors are drilled or slotted. Slotting is more common on better stuff, holes can crack. They serve a couple of features. One, people think they're cool. two, they allow the gasses that come off brake pads somewhere to go (this is a non-issue with modern pads, but it was a problem in the dark ages).. Three, they give water somewhere to go. Four, they improve cooling (increase surface area). five, the clean pads, and reduce wear. Gasses off a bicycle pad? Really? Nobody drills rims, and most[1] motorbikes, which are exposed to the rain don't. Because 75 kg of me at 30 kph is the same KE as 160 kph Audi at 1.5 tonnes? Nah. Hmmm...could it be it helps to clean them? They aren't dissipating the KE, so they don't get Eeek! hot. But surely the crud would build up in the holes? I'm going to order a solid one for the front and fit it in the spring and see if it makes any difference. If you find a place (in the US or China) that sells solid 8" or 203mm rotors please let us know. https://www.amazon.com/SRAM-Guide-Ul.../dp/B00XAY7CYK or http://www.jensonusa.com/SRAM-Guide-...te-Disc-Brake/ The SRAM brake Ultimate Brake with 950mm front discs and 1,800 rear discs. Quote "ROTOR SIZES: 140, 160, 170, 180, 200mm" I've got that already. It's not solid rotors. I assume these are for the "go fast people". What's so special about this stuff other than very high prices? Good Lord! It is made by SRAM and everyone knows that they build super stuff. Some of which is even used on TdeF racing bicycles :-) Oh, yes, right. We must bow down deeply and I should never complain about having to pay 10x or more than my current solution. Another confession. I use $10 T-shirts on all my rides instead of $100 technicolor Spandex. $10 is a lot of for a t-shirt! You can get them bulk for $1.59. http://www..shirtmax.com/adult-100-c...z-t-shirt.html Personally, I wear discarded paper surgical gowns or whatever I find in the dumpsters. My rain gear is made of trash bags -- and I steal the plastic newspaper bags for booties. This stuff works ten times better than fancy t-shirts! Check out my new ride: https://tinyurl.com/y84pzagm -- Jay Beattie. |
#26
|
|||
|
|||
Discs
On 11/18/2017 10:12 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 7:30:31 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-11-16 17:05, John B. wrote: On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 16:23:34 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2017-11-16 16:09, John B. wrote: On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 15:28:13 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2017-11-16 13:21, Tosspot wrote: On 16/11/17 20:38, David Scheidt wrote: Tosspot wrote: :Why do they have holes in them? :Car discs don't, motorbike discs don't, aircraft discs don't. Why do :bicycle discs have them? Lots of high-performance car brake rotors are drilled or slotted. Slotting is more common on better stuff, holes can crack. They serve a couple of features. One, people think they're cool. two, they allow the gasses that come off brake pads somewhere to go (this is a non-issue with modern pads, but it was a problem in the dark ages). Three, they give water somewhere to go. Four, they improve cooling (increase surface area). five, the clean pads, and reduce wear. Gasses off a bicycle pad? Really? Nobody drills rims, and most[1] motorbikes, which are exposed to the rain don't. Because 75 kg of me at 30 kph is the same KE as 160 kph Audi at 1.5 tonnes? Nah. Hmmm...could it be it helps to clean them? They aren't dissipating the KE, so they don't get Eeek! hot. But surely the crud would build up in the holes? I'm going to order a solid one for the front and fit it in the spring and see if it makes any difference. If you find a place (in the US or China) that sells solid 8" or 203mm rotors please let us know. https://www.amazon.com/SRAM-Guide-Ul.../dp/B00XAY7CYK or http://www.jensonusa.com/SRAM-Guide-...te-Disc-Brake/ The SRAM brake Ultimate Brake with 950mm front discs and 1,800 rear discs. Quote "ROTOR SIZES: 140, 160, 170, 180, 200mm" I've got that already. It's not solid rotors. I assume these are for the "go fast people". What's so special about this stuff other than very high prices? Good Lord! It is made by SRAM and everyone knows that they build super stuff. Some of which is even used on TdeF racing bicycles :-) Oh, yes, right. We must bow down deeply and I should never complain about having to pay 10x or more than my current solution. Another confession. I use $10 T-shirts on all my rides instead of $100 technicolor Spandex. $10 is a lot of for a t-shirt! You can get them bulk for $1.59. http://www.shirtmax.com/adult-100-co...z-t-shirt.html Personally, I wear discarded paper surgical gowns or whatever I find in the dumpsters. My rain gear is made of trash bags -- and I steal the plastic newspaper bags for booties. This stuff works ten times better than fancy t-shirts! Check out my new ride: https://tinyurl.com/y84pzagm You missed the African free t-shirt deal: http://images.mentalfloss.com/blogs/...bowl-bears.jpg Somebody's gotta win, somebody's gotta lose. Every year. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
#27
|
|||
|
|||
Discs
On 2017-11-18 08:46, AMuzi wrote:
On 11/18/2017 10:12 AM, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 7:30:31 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-11-16 17:05, John B. wrote: On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 16:23:34 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2017-11-16 16:09, John B. wrote: On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 15:28:13 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2017-11-16 13:21, Tosspot wrote: On 16/11/17 20:38, David Scheidt wrote: Tosspot wrote: :Why do they have holes in them? :Car discs don't, motorbike discs don't, aircraft discs don't. Why do :bicycle discs have them? Lots of high-performance car brake rotors are drilled or slotted. Slotting is more common on better stuff, holes can crack. They serve a couple of features. One, people think they're cool. two, they allow the gasses that come off brake pads somewhere to go (this is a non-issue with modern pads, but it was a problem in the dark ages). Three, they give water somewhere to go. Four, they improve cooling (increase surface area). five, the clean pads, and reduce wear. Gasses off a bicycle pad? Really? Nobody drills rims, and most[1] motorbikes, which are exposed to the rain don't. Because 75 kg of me at 30 kph is the same KE as 160 kph Audi at 1.5 tonnes? Nah. Hmmm...could it be it helps to clean them? They aren't dissipating the KE, so they don't get Eeek! hot. But surely the crud would build up in the holes? I'm going to order a solid one for the front and fit it in the spring and see if it makes any difference. If you find a place (in the US or China) that sells solid 8" or 203mm rotors please let us know. https://www.amazon.com/SRAM-Guide-Ul.../dp/B00XAY7CYK or http://www.jensonusa.com/SRAM-Guide-...te-Disc-Brake/ The SRAM brake Ultimate Brake with 950mm front discs and 1,800 rear discs. Quote "ROTOR SIZES: 140, 160, 170, 180, 200mm" I've got that already. It's not solid rotors. I assume these are for the "go fast people". What's so special about this stuff other than very high prices? Good Lord! It is made by SRAM and everyone knows that they build super stuff. Some of which is even used on TdeF racing bicycles :-) Oh, yes, right. We must bow down deeply and I should never complain about having to pay 10x or more than my current solution. Another confession. I use $10 T-shirts on all my rides instead of $100 technicolor Spandex. $10 is a lot of for a t-shirt! You can get them bulk for $1.59. http://www.shirtmax.com/adult-100-co...z-t-shirt.html "Sport Grey are 90% cotton, 10% polyester" ... polyester is no good for me. I also found that the collars on cheaper T-shirts give up faster and that looks yucky. And my Costa Rica T-shirt looks nicer anyhow, especially with mud splatters on there. Personally, I wear discarded paper surgical gowns or whatever I find in the dumpsters. My rain gear is made of trash bags -- and I steal the plastic newspaper bags for booties. This stuff works ten times better than fancy t-shirts! Check out my new ride: https://tinyurl.com/y84pzagm A dynamo without lights. Now what does that feed? The wrath of big brother can come down upon this rider. You missed the African free t-shirt deal: http://images.mentalfloss.com/blogs/...bowl-bears.jpg Somebody's gotta win, somebody's gotta lose. Every year. You need to ride faster in order not to lose, can be achieved with extra low drops. http://bostonbikeparty.com/wp-conten...0/skeleton.jpg -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
#28
|
|||
|
|||
Discs
On 11/18/2017 1:46 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-11-18 08:46, AMuzi wrote: On 11/18/2017 10:12 AM, jbeattie wrote: On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 7:30:31 AM UTC-8, Joerg wrote: On 2017-11-16 17:05, John B. wrote: On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 16:23:34 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2017-11-16 16:09, John B. wrote: On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 15:28:13 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2017-11-16 13:21, Tosspot wrote: On 16/11/17 20:38, David Scheidt wrote: Tosspot wrote: :Why do they have holes in them? :Car discs don't, motorbike discs don't, aircraft discs don't. Why do :bicycle discs have them? Lots of high-performance car brake rotors are drilled or slotted. Slotting is more common on better stuff, holes can crack. They serve a couple of features. One, people think they're cool. two, they allow the gasses that come off brake pads somewhere to go (this is a non-issue with modern pads, but it was a problem in the dark ages). Three, they give water somewhere to go. Four, they improve cooling (increase surface area). five, the clean pads, and reduce wear. Gasses off a bicycle pad? Really? Nobody drills rims, and most[1] motorbikes, which are exposed to the rain don't. Because 75 kg of me at 30 kph is the same KE as 160 kph Audi at 1.5 tonnes? Nah. Hmmm...could it be it helps to clean them? They aren't dissipating the KE, so they don't get Eeek! hot. But surely the crud would build up in the holes? I'm going to order a solid one for the front and fit it in the spring and see if it makes any difference. If you find a place (in the US or China) that sells solid 8" or 203mm rotors please let us know. https://www.amazon.com/SRAM-Guide-Ul.../dp/B00XAY7CYK or http://www.jensonusa.com/SRAM-Guide-...te-Disc-Brake/ The SRAM brake Ultimate Brake with 950mm front discs and 1,800 rear discs. Quote "ROTOR SIZES: 140, 160, 170, 180, 200mm" I've got that already. It's not solid rotors. I assume these are for the "go fast people". What's so special about this stuff other than very high prices? Good Lord! It is made by SRAM and everyone knows that they build super stuff. Some of which is even used on TdeF racing bicycles :-) Oh, yes, right. We must bow down deeply and I should never complain about having to pay 10x or more than my current solution. Another confession. I use $10 T-shirts on all my rides instead of $100 technicolor Spandex. $10 is a lot of for a t-shirt! You can get them bulk for $1.59. http://www.shirtmax.com/adult-100-co...z-t-shirt.html "Sport Grey are 90% cotton, 10% polyester" ... polyester is no good for me. I also found that the collars on cheaper T-shirts give up faster and that looks yucky. And my Costa Rica T-shirt looks nicer anyhow, especially with mud splatters on there. Personally, I wear discarded paper surgical gowns or whatever I find in the dumpsters. My rain gear is made of trash bags -- and I steal the plastic newspaper bags for booties. This stuff works ten times better than fancy t-shirts! Check out my new ride: https://tinyurl.com/y84pzagm A dynamo without lights. Now what does that feed? The wrath of big brother can come down upon this rider. You missed the African free t-shirt deal: http://images.mentalfloss.com/blogs/...bowl-bears.jpg Somebody's gotta win, somebody's gotta lose. Every year. You need to ride faster in order not to lose, can be achieved with extra low drops. http://bostonbikeparty.com/wp-conten...0/skeleton.jpg For events such as World Series, World Cup, Super Bowl etc shirt vendors order large quantities of printed merchandise with both teams. The loser brand merchandise is donated for a charitable contribution and the charitable contribution tax deduction. Hence the photo in Africa. I learned about this only yesterday afternoon. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
#29
|
|||
|
|||
Discs
On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 8:30:31 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-11-16 17:05, John B. wrote: On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 16:23:34 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2017-11-16 16:09, John B. wrote: On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 15:28:13 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2017-11-16 13:21, Tosspot wrote: On 16/11/17 20:38, David Scheidt wrote: Tosspot wrote: :Why do they have holes in them? :Car discs don't, motorbike discs don't, aircraft discs don't. Why do :bicycle discs have them? Lots of high-performance car brake rotors are drilled or slotted. Slotting is more common on better stuff, holes can crack. They serve a couple of features. One, people think they're cool. two, they allow the gasses that come off brake pads somewhere to go (this is a non-issue with modern pads, but it was a problem in the dark ages).. Three, they give water somewhere to go. Four, they improve cooling (increase surface area). five, the clean pads, and reduce wear. Gasses off a bicycle pad? Really? Nobody drills rims, and most[1] motorbikes, which are exposed to the rain don't. Because 75 kg of me at 30 kph is the same KE as 160 kph Audi at 1.5 tonnes? Nah. Hmmm...could it be it helps to clean them? They aren't dissipating the KE, so they don't get Eeek! hot. But surely the crud would build up in the holes? I'm going to order a solid one for the front and fit it in the spring and see if it makes any difference. If you find a place (in the US or China) that sells solid 8" or 203mm rotors please let us know. https://www.amazon.com/SRAM-Guide-Ul.../dp/B00XAY7CYK or http://www.jensonusa.com/SRAM-Guide-...te-Disc-Brake/ The SRAM brake Ultimate Brake with 950mm front discs and 1,800 rear discs. Quote "ROTOR SIZES: 140, 160, 170, 180, 200mm" I've got that already. It's not solid rotors. I assume these are for the "go fast people". What's so special about this stuff other than very high prices? Good Lord! It is made by SRAM and everyone knows that they build super stuff. Some of which is even used on TdeF racing bicycles :-) Oh, yes, right. We must bow down deeply and I should never complain about having to pay 10x or more than my current solution. Another confession. I use $10 T-shirts on all my rides instead of $100 technicolor Spandex. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ goo.gl/DsdKq5 REI GARAGE HAS A SALE best if you have an REI card. Last year REI coughed up 300 in freebies to my end. also search 'technical' fabric product n specs now show distinct advert to actual spec conditions eg walking uphill temperate climate, walking up hill cool climate ....so you can at least start on accurate layering. There's a place for Wal's new cheapo lines (alaways search hi to low with deep filtering then back off on that) in temperate low energy low humidity breezy. Wal is uncomfort eg Florida. SHP n Tactical from cop shops are AAA but expensive n not colorful. J must receive knowledge I bought 3 new Fla winter T's from the garage. Beware. comfort supports concentration, discipline, energy output n bussavoid |
#30
|
|||
|
|||
Discs
AMuzi wrote:
:On 11/18/2017 1:46 PM, Joerg wrote: : On 2017-11-18 08:46, AMuzi wrote: : On 11/18/2017 10:12 AM, jbeattie wrote: : On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 7:30:31 AM UTC-8, Joerg : wrote: : On 2017-11-16 17:05, John B. wrote: : On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 16:23:34 -0800, Joerg : : wrote: : : On 2017-11-16 16:09, John B. wrote: : On Thu, 16 Nov 2017 15:28:13 -0800, Joerg : : wrote: : : On 2017-11-16 13:21, Tosspot wrote: : On 16/11/17 20:38, David Scheidt wrote: : Tosspot wrote: : :Why do they have holes in them? : : :Car discs don't, motorbike discs don't, aircraft : discs don't. : Why do : :bicycle discs have them? : : Lots of high-performance car brake rotors are : drilled or slotted. : Slotting is more common on better stuff, holes can : crack. They : serve : a couple of features. One, people think they're : cool. two, they : allow the gasses that come off brake pads : somewhere to go (this : is a : non-issue with modern pads, but it was a problem : in the dark : ages). : Three, they give water somewhere to go. Four, : they improve : cooling : (increase surface area). five, the clean pads, : and reduce wear. : : Gasses off a bicycle pad? Really? : : Nobody drills rims, and most[1] motorbikes, which : are exposed to : the : rain don't. : : Because 75 kg of me at 30 kph is the same KE as 160 : kph Audi at 1.5 : tonnes? Nah. : : Hmmm...could it be it helps to clean them? They : aren't : dissipating the : KE, so they don't get Eeek! hot. But surely the : crud would : build up in : the holes? : : I'm going to order a solid one for the front and : fit it in the : spring : and see if it makes any difference. : : : If you find a place (in the US or China) that sells : solid 8" or : 203mm : rotors please let us know. : : : https://www.amazon.com/SRAM-Guide-Ul.../dp/B00XAY7CYK : : or : http://www.jensonusa.com/SRAM-Guide-...te-Disc-Brake/ : The SRAM brake Ultimate Brake with 950mm front discs : and 1,800 rear : discs. : : : Quote "ROTOR SIZES: 140, 160, 170, 180, 200mm" : : I've got that already. It's not solid rotors. : : : I assume these are for the "go fast people". : : : What's so special about this stuff other than very : high prices? : : Good Lord! It is made by SRAM and everyone knows that : they build super : stuff. Some of which is even used on TdeF racing : bicycles :-) : : : Oh, yes, right. We must bow down deeply and I should : never complain : about having to pay 10x or more than my current : solution. Another : confession. I use $10 T-shirts on all my rides instead : of $100 : technicolor Spandex. : : $10 is a lot of for a t-shirt! You can get them bulk for : $1.59. : http://www.shirtmax.com/adult-100-co...z-t-shirt.html : : : : "Sport Grey are 90% cotton, 10% polyester" ... polyester is : no good for me. I also found that the collars on cheaper : T-shirts give up faster and that looks yucky. And my Costa : Rica T-shirt looks nicer anyhow, especially with mud : splatters on there. : : : Personally, I wear discarded paper surgical gowns or : whatever I find : in the dumpsters. My rain gear is made of trash bags -- : and I steal : the plastic newspaper bags for booties. This stuff works : ten times : better than fancy t-shirts! Check out my new ride: : https://tinyurl.com/y84pzagm : : : A dynamo without lights. Now what does that feed? The wrath : of big brother can come down upon this rider. : : : You missed the African free t-shirt deal: : http://images.mentalfloss.com/blogs/...bowl-bears.jpg : : : : Somebody's gotta win, somebody's gotta lose. Every year. : : : You need to ride faster in order not to lose, can be : achieved with extra low drops. : : http://bostonbikeparty.com/wp-conten...0/skeleton.jpg : : :For events such as World Series, World Cup, Super Bowl etc :shirt vendors order large quantities of printed merchandise :with both teams. The loser brand merchandise is donated for :a charitable contribution and the charitable contribution :tax deduction. Hence the photo in Africa. I learned about :this only yesterday afternoon. The stuff is mostly destroyed, as even people in africa won't wear stuff that says the Dodgers won a world series. -- sig 54 |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Vented Discs | Ben C | Recumbent Biking | 35 | June 29th 09 02:26 AM |
Cable discs | Tim Hall | UK | 13 | June 18th 09 11:56 PM |
Rollo-Discs | Unisykolist | Unicycling | 5 | December 5th 08 01:34 AM |
discs vs V brakes | ODB | Australia | 31 | October 23rd 06 08:37 AM |
new to discs - squeeky when wet ! | Steve Walton | UK | 6 | November 21st 04 01:46 PM |