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Some lives matter. Some don't
http://www.massbike.org/anitakurmannvideo
-- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 07:24:43 -0600, AMuzi wrote:
http://www.massbike.org/anitakurmannvideo Everyone's life doesn't matter to someone. The trick is to avoid that person as long as you can. |
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On 1/26/2018 8:24 AM, AMuzi wrote:
http://www.massbike.org/anitakurmannvideo Yes, horrific. And yet we have people here saying a cyclist should always stay far right, that controlling a lane is dangerous. If she had been in front of the trucker, he'd have seen her and slowed. But if a cyclist can't bring himself/herself to do that, at least NEVER put yourself to the right of a vehicle that might turn right. Especially a large vehicle like a truck or bus. Right hooks are deadly. (Left hooks in drive-on-left countries.) A few years ago there was a huge outrage about cyclist deaths in London (even though, as usual, far more pedestrians died). It came out that most of those deaths were left hooks, usually women, who pulled up along big lorries. Some said the women were too "polite" to avoid the curb and get in the traffic lane. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 11:01:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 1/26/2018 8:24 AM, AMuzi wrote: http://www.massbike.org/anitakurmannvideo Yes, horrific. And yet we have people here saying a cyclist should always stay far right, that controlling a lane is dangerous. If she had been in front of the trucker, he'd have seen her and slowed. But if a cyclist can't bring himself/herself to do that, at least NEVER put yourself to the right of a vehicle that might turn right. Especially a large vehicle like a truck or bus. Right hooks are deadly. (Left hooks in drive-on-left countries.) A few years ago there was a huge outrage about cyclist deaths in London (even though, as usual, far more pedestrians died). It came out that most of those deaths were left hooks, usually women, who pulled up along big lorries. Some said the women were too "polite" to avoid the curb and get in the traffic lane. I am a bit puzzled with these right/left hooked accidents. Don't people turn their heads to look and see what is creeping up beside them? I certainly do - every driveway turning onto "my street"; every corner, every junction, I look to see what is coming. Shoot, I even look back over my shoulder to see what is coming up behind me. Don't other people? -- Cheers, John B. |
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On 1/26/2018 6:24 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 11:01:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/26/2018 8:24 AM, AMuzi wrote: http://www.massbike.org/anitakurmannvideo Yes, horrific. And yet we have people here saying a cyclist should always stay far right, that controlling a lane is dangerous. If she had been in front of the trucker, he'd have seen her and slowed. But if a cyclist can't bring himself/herself to do that, at least NEVER put yourself to the right of a vehicle that might turn right. Especially a large vehicle like a truck or bus. Right hooks are deadly. (Left hooks in drive-on-left countries.) A few years ago there was a huge outrage about cyclist deaths in London (even though, as usual, far more pedestrians died). It came out that most of those deaths were left hooks, usually women, who pulled up along big lorries. Some said the women were too "polite" to avoid the curb and get in the traffic lane. I am a bit puzzled with these right/left hooked accidents. Don't people turn their heads to look and see what is creeping up beside them? I certainly do - every driveway turning onto "my street"; every corner, every junction, I look to see what is coming. Shoot, I even look back over my shoulder to see what is coming up behind me. Don't other people? Yes, we (and many of our dearly departed) do (did). Review the video. She actually stopped her bike as he started the turn but short of martial-arts level acrobatics she was trapped. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On 1/26/2018 7:24 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 11:01:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/26/2018 8:24 AM, AMuzi wrote: http://www.massbike.org/anitakurmannvideo Yes, horrific. And yet we have people here saying a cyclist should always stay far right, that controlling a lane is dangerous. If she had been in front of the trucker, he'd have seen her and slowed. But if a cyclist can't bring himself/herself to do that, at least NEVER put yourself to the right of a vehicle that might turn right. Especially a large vehicle like a truck or bus. Right hooks are deadly. (Left hooks in drive-on-left countries.) A few years ago there was a huge outrage about cyclist deaths in London (even though, as usual, far more pedestrians died). It came out that most of those deaths were left hooks, usually women, who pulled up along big lorries. Some said the women were too "polite" to avoid the curb and get in the traffic lane. I am a bit puzzled with these right/left hooked accidents. Don't people turn their heads to look and see what is creeping up beside them? I certainly do - every driveway turning onto "my street"; every corner, every junction, I look to see what is coming. Shoot, I even look back over my shoulder to see what is coming up behind me. Don't other people? See if you can get a chance to sit in a big truck's cab. The blind spots are huge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9E1_1M-qhU http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/...-about-trucks/ -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 19:07:44 -0600, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/26/2018 6:24 PM, John B. wrote: On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 11:01:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/26/2018 8:24 AM, AMuzi wrote: http://www.massbike.org/anitakurmannvideo Yes, horrific. And yet we have people here saying a cyclist should always stay far right, that controlling a lane is dangerous. If she had been in front of the trucker, he'd have seen her and slowed. But if a cyclist can't bring himself/herself to do that, at least NEVER put yourself to the right of a vehicle that might turn right. Especially a large vehicle like a truck or bus. Right hooks are deadly. (Left hooks in drive-on-left countries.) A few years ago there was a huge outrage about cyclist deaths in London (even though, as usual, far more pedestrians died). It came out that most of those deaths were left hooks, usually women, who pulled up along big lorries. Some said the women were too "polite" to avoid the curb and get in the traffic lane. I am a bit puzzled with these right/left hooked accidents. Don't people turn their heads to look and see what is creeping up beside them? I certainly do - every driveway turning onto "my street"; every corner, every junction, I look to see what is coming. Shoot, I even look back over my shoulder to see what is coming up behind me. Don't other people? Yes, we (and many of our dearly departed) do (did). Review the video. She actually stopped her bike as he started the turn but short of martial-arts level acrobatics she was trapped. I watched the video several times and to be honest I don't see any evidence of an attempt to stop. What I do see is a truck that appears to be traveling slower then a bicycle making a right turn and being run into by the bicycle. The sequence from 1:08 - 1:24 quite clearly shows the bicycle in the act of overtaking the truck on the curb side and when the truck turns the bicycle appears to run directly into the truck. -- Cheers, John B. |
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On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 22:27:31 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 1/26/2018 7:24 PM, John B. wrote: On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 11:01:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/26/2018 8:24 AM, AMuzi wrote: http://www.massbike.org/anitakurmannvideo Yes, horrific. And yet we have people here saying a cyclist should always stay far right, that controlling a lane is dangerous. If she had been in front of the trucker, he'd have seen her and slowed. But if a cyclist can't bring himself/herself to do that, at least NEVER put yourself to the right of a vehicle that might turn right. Especially a large vehicle like a truck or bus. Right hooks are deadly. (Left hooks in drive-on-left countries.) A few years ago there was a huge outrage about cyclist deaths in London (even though, as usual, far more pedestrians died). It came out that most of those deaths were left hooks, usually women, who pulled up along big lorries. Some said the women were too "polite" to avoid the curb and get in the traffic lane. I am a bit puzzled with these right/left hooked accidents. Don't people turn their heads to look and see what is creeping up beside them? I certainly do - every driveway turning onto "my street"; every corner, every junction, I look to see what is coming. Shoot, I even look back over my shoulder to see what is coming up behind me. Don't other people? See if you can get a chance to sit in a big truck's cab. The blind spots are huge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9E1_1M-qhU http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/...-about-trucks/ I'm not a truck driver but I did maintain them up to about 35 ton dump trucks so I'm fairly aware of the view from the cab. But the fact that a vehicle has blind spots should, to a knowledgeable cyclist, cause the cyclist to treat them with even more caution than a more conventional vehicle. In fact one might even say that a cyclist who isn't aware of the limited vision from the cab of many large motor vehicles, I include buses and most trucks, is probably lacking the necessary skills to ride on the public highways. -- Cheers, John B. |
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Beautiful video collection. Notice cyclist made a rash move prior in cutting thru traffic
Truck driver responsible for tracking cyclist ? How does that work ? Cyclist can see the danger |
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On 1/27/2018 1:09 AM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 22:27:31 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/26/2018 7:24 PM, John B. wrote: On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 11:01:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/26/2018 8:24 AM, AMuzi wrote: http://www.massbike.org/anitakurmannvideo Yes, horrific. And yet we have people here saying a cyclist should always stay far right, that controlling a lane is dangerous. If she had been in front of the trucker, he'd have seen her and slowed. But if a cyclist can't bring himself/herself to do that, at least NEVER put yourself to the right of a vehicle that might turn right. Especially a large vehicle like a truck or bus. Right hooks are deadly. (Left hooks in drive-on-left countries.) A few years ago there was a huge outrage about cyclist deaths in London (even though, as usual, far more pedestrians died). It came out that most of those deaths were left hooks, usually women, who pulled up along big lorries. Some said the women were too "polite" to avoid the curb and get in the traffic lane. I am a bit puzzled with these right/left hooked accidents. Don't people turn their heads to look and see what is creeping up beside them? I certainly do - every driveway turning onto "my street"; every corner, every junction, I look to see what is coming. Shoot, I even look back over my shoulder to see what is coming up behind me. Don't other people? See if you can get a chance to sit in a big truck's cab. The blind spots are huge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9E1_1M-qhU http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/...-about-trucks/ I'm not a truck driver but I did maintain them up to about 35 ton dump trucks so I'm fairly aware of the view from the cab. But the fact that a vehicle has blind spots should, to a knowledgeable cyclist, cause the cyclist to treat them with even more caution than a more conventional vehicle. In fact one might even say that a cyclist who isn't aware of the limited vision from the cab of many large motor vehicles, I include buses and most trucks, is probably lacking the necessary skills to ride on the public highways. Well, I'm all in favor of education. But education doesn't get much attention from "bicycling advocates" in the U.S. These days they're all about "protected cycle tracks." In other words, if you were in a "protected cycle track" just before you rode into that intersection, the right turning truck would not have run you over. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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